The Gospel in a nutshell

[beloved57]

The gospel in a nutshell so to speak definitly includes limited atonement as we can see from 1 cor 15:

1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

and matt 1:21

21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

up in verse 3 of 1 cor 15 , paul states emphatically that it was revealed to him that christ died for our sins.. paul was Identifying himself with those described as our sins, this is not a general announcement of christ dying for sins put for the sins of a particular group of people..Paul was speaking about Gods chosen people , a seed , the called ones ,

Three reasons I know this is true:

#1. Paul generally used the old testament scriptures to preach with...I believe when paul said christ died for our sins according to scripture he meant that all old test types were for a specific people...aaron offered up for the elect nation of Israel alone ..also paul and the others liked to refer to Isiah 53 for references of christ , and there it specfies that christ would die for a people a seed.. isa 53:


5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

it is quite evident to me the pronouns we , us , their , words like many , like sheep, his seed..all indicate a specific definite group of people..

But the kicker is vs 8 where it says:

for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

Thats interesting because paul in being encouraged by God to stay in corinth and preach notice what the vision communicates to paul:

acts 18:


8And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.
9Then spake the Lord to Paul in the night by a vision, Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace:
10For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee: for I have much people in this city. 11And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among
them.

As an encouragement to continue his evangelistic campaigne their in corinth God via vision assured the apostle that their were still many more elect individuals [ much people] who needed to hear the gospel, the gospel of their salvation... as a result paul stayed their and continued teaching the gospel of christ..

vs
11And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.

This is in direct obediance to the great commision as in matt 28:

19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

# 2 Paul was told by God that he had people in corinth to hear the truth..

So it should all the more reason confirm that in 1 cor 15 vs 3 christ died for our sins means the elect, Gods people , the Israel of God...paul definitly preached limited atonement or particular redemption as the gospel revealed to him from heaven..

#3 Paul identifies who the our sins are in the opening of the epistle...1 cor 1

1Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2Unto the church of God which is at Corinth,to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

To the church of God...paul knew it was the church a specific group that Jesus loved and gave his life for..

eph 5:

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

acts 20:

28Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Remember this gospel paul preached was given him from heaven as stated in 1 cor 15vs 3

3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures

Paul testifys that he recieved the gospel from heaven from christ:

gal 1:

11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Surely christ told him that he came and died to save his people from their sins as matt 1: 21 expresses matt 1:

21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people[the elect] from their sins.

I believe that the gospel paul recieved and preached was a limited atonement for a specific people of God..

And paul was taught this by the revealation of jesus christ..

And paul goes on to say that if a person preaches any other gospe different from the one he was taught and preached...let him be accursed....

Gal 1


6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

any gospel that does not include limited definite atonement that saves Gods people is a false gospel..

The aminian gospel that God loves everyone and christ died for eveyone to offer them the chance to be saved is a false gospel it is not of God...It is not the gospel that paul preached or recieved from jesus...

This should be our standard as those who have been entrusted with the witness of the gospel...

May God bless His true and faithful servants to be not ashamed of the gospel of christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation to them that believe...
__________________
Prov 19: 21


Many plans are in a man's mind, but it is the Lord's purpose for him that will stand.

 

[unred typo]

quote by beloved57:
The gospel in a nutshell so to speak definitly includes limited atonement as we can see

Wow, big nutshell. Was that a coconut?

quote by beloved57:
from 1 cor 15:1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

and matt 1:21

21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

up in verse 3 of 1 cor 15 , paul states emphatically that it was revealed to him that christ died for our sins.. paul was Identifying himself with those described as our sins, this is not a general announcement of christ dying for sins put for the sins of a particular group of people..Paul was speaking about Gods chosen people , a seed , the called ones ,

Three reasons I know this is true:

#1. Paul generally used the old testament scriptures to preach with...I believe when paul said christ died for our sins according to scripture he meant that all old test types were for a specific people...aaron offered up for the elect nation of Israel alone ..also paul and the others liked to refer to Isiah 53 for references of christ , and there it specfies that christ would die for a people a seed.. isa 53:


5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

it is quite evident to me the pronouns we , us , their , words like many , like sheep, his seed..all indicate a specific definite group of people..

But the kicker is vs 8 where it says:

for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

Thats interesting because paul in being encouraged by God to stay in corinth and preach notice what the vision communicates to paul:

acts 18:


8And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.
9Then spake the Lord to Paul in the night by a vision, Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace:
10For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee: for I have much people in this city. 11And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among
them.

As an encouragement to continue his evangelistic campaigne their in corinth God via vision assured the apostle that their were still many more elect individuals [ much people] who needed to hear the gospel, the gospel of their salvation... as a result paul stayed their and continued teaching the gospel of christ..

vs
11And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.

This is in direct obediance to the great commision as in matt 28:

19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

# 2 Paul was told by God that he had people in corinth to hear the truth..

So it should all the more reason confirm that in 1 cor 15 vs 3 christ died for our sins means the elect, Gods people , the Israel of God...paul definitly preached limited atonement or particular redemption as the gospel revealed to him from heaven..

#3 Paul identifies who the our sins are in the opening of the epistle...1 cor 1

1Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2Unto the church of God which is at Corinth,to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

To the church of God...paul knew it was the church a specific group that Jesus loved and gave his life for..

eph 5:

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

acts 20:

28Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Remember this gospel paul preached was given him from heaven as stated in 1 cor 15vs 3

3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures

Paul testifys that he recieved the gospel from heaven from christ:

gal 1:

11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Surely christ told him that he came and died to save his people from their sins as matt 1: 21 expresses matt 1:

21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people[the elect] from their sins.

I believe that the gospel paul recieved and preached was a limited atonement for a specific people of God..

And paul was taught this by the revealation of jesus christ..

And paul goes on to say that if a person preaches any other gospe different from the one he was taught and preached...let him be accursed....

Gal 1


6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

any gospel that does not include limited definite atonement that saves Gods people is a false gospel..

The aminian gospel that God loves everyone and christ died for eveyone to offer them the chance to be saved is a false gospel it is not of God...It is not the gospel that paul preached or recieved from jesus...

This should be our standard as those who have been entrusted with the witness of the gospel...

May God bless His true and faithful servants to be not ashamed of the gospel of christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation to them that believe...
__________________
Prov 19: 21

Not one verse that you have posted is exclusive to your POV. You can insert ‘whosoever follows Christ’ instead of the term ‘elect’ and come in harmony with the rest of scripture on this. ‘We’ and ‘us’ refer to those ‘whosoevers’ that faithfully follow Christ, fyi.

1 Timothy 4:
7But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise yourself rather unto godliness.
8For bodily exercise profits little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.
9This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
10For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, specially of those that believe.
11These things command and teach.

 

[beloved57]

quote by beloved57:
The gospel in a nutshell so to speak definitly includes limited atonement as we can see

Wow, big nutshell. Was that a coconut?



[quote:62688]quote by beloved57:
from 1 cor 15:1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

and matt 1:21

21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

up in verse 3 of 1 cor 15 , paul states emphatically that it was revealed to him that christ died for our sins.. paul was Identifying himself with those described as our sins, this is not a general announcement of christ dying for sins put for the sins of a particular group of people..Paul was speaking about Gods chosen people , a seed , the called ones ,

Three reasons I know this is true:

#1. Paul generally used the old testament scriptures to preach with...I believe when paul said christ died for our sins according to scripture he meant that all old test types were for a specific people...aaron offered up for the elect nation of Israel alone ..also paul and the others liked to refer to Isiah 53 for references of christ , and there it specfies that christ would die for a people a seed.. isa 53:


5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. 11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

it is quite evident to me the pronouns we , us , their , words like many , like sheep, his seed..all indicate a specific definite group of people..

But the kicker is vs 8 where it says:

for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

Thats interesting because paul in being encouraged by God to stay in corinth and preach notice what the vision communicates to paul:

acts 18:


8And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.
9Then spake the Lord to Paul in the night by a vision, Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace:
10For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee: for I have much people in this city. 11And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among
them.

As an encouragement to continue his evangelistic campaigne their in corinth God via vision assured the apostle that their were still many more elect individuals [ much people] who needed to hear the gospel, the gospel of their salvation... as a result paul stayed their and continued teaching the gospel of christ..

vs
11And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.

This is in direct obediance to the great commision as in matt 28:

19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

# 2 Paul was told by God that he had people in corinth to hear the truth..

So it should all the more reason confirm that in 1 cor 15 vs 3 christ died for our sins means the elect, Gods people , the Israel of God...paul definitly preached limited atonement or particular redemption as the gospel revealed to him from heaven..

#3 Paul identifies who the our sins are in the opening of the epistle...1 cor 1

1Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2Unto the church of God which is at Corinth,to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

To the church of God...paul knew it was the church a specific group that Jesus loved and gave his life for..

eph 5:

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

acts 20:

28Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Remember this gospel paul preached was given him from heaven as stated in 1 cor 15vs 3

3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures

Paul testifys that he recieved the gospel from heaven from christ:

gal 1:

11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Surely christ told him that he came and died to save his people from their sins as matt 1: 21 expresses matt 1:

21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people[the elect] from their sins.

I believe that the gospel paul recieved and preached was a limited atonement for a specific people of God..

And paul was taught this by the revealation of jesus christ..

And paul goes on to say that if a person preaches any other gospe different from the one he was taught and preached...let him be accursed....

Gal 1


6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

any gospel that does not include limited definite atonement that saves Gods people is a false gospel..

The aminian gospel that God loves everyone and christ died for eveyone to offer them the chance to be saved is a false gospel it is not of God...It is not the gospel that paul preached or recieved from jesus...

This should be our standard as those who have been entrusted with the witness of the gospel...

May God bless His true and faithful servants to be not ashamed of the gospel of christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation to them that believe...
__________________
Prov 19: 21

Not one verse that you have posted is exclusive to your POV. You can insert ‘whosoever follows Christ’ instead of the term ‘elect’ and come in harmony with the rest of scripture on this. ‘We’ and ‘us’ refer to those ‘whosoevers’ that faithfully follow Christ, fyi.

1 Timothy 4:
7But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise yourself rather unto godliness.
8For bodily exercise profits little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.
9This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
10For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, specially of those that believe.
11These things command and teach.[/quote:62688]

The gospel that paul preached is limited atonement and all other gospels are accursed. Do you believe that christ death saved all his chosen people ?

 

[Drew]

The gospel that paul preached is limited atonement and all other gospels are accursed. Do you believe that christ death saved all his chosen people ?

I just posted the following in another thread, but it applies here:

I have no idea where people get the idea that the gospel is that we "we are justified by accepting Christ by faith". The Gospel is not this at all, although justification by faith indeed results from it.

The gospel is the proclamation that Jesus has risen from the dead and is lord of the Universe, not "justification by faith".

To quote NT Wright on the matter:

The gospel’ is not ‘you can be saved, and here’s how’; the gospel, for Paul, is ‘Jesus Christ is Lord’.

This announcement draws together two things, in derivation and confrontation. First, Paul is clearly echoing the language of Isaiah: the message announced by the herald in Isaiah 40 and 52 has at last arrived. Saying ‘Jesus is Messiah and Lord’ is thus a way of saying, among other things, ‘Israel’s history has come to its climax’; or ‘Isaiah’s prophecy has come true at last’. This is powerfully reinforced by Paul’s insistence, exactly as in Isaiah, that this heraldic message reveals God’s righteousness, that is, God’s covenant faithfulness, about which more anon. Second, since the word ‘gospel’ was in public use to designate the message that Caesar was the Lord of the whole world, Paul’s message could not escape being confrontative: Jesus, not Caesar, is Lord, and at his name, not that of the Emperor, every knee shall bow. This aspect lies at the heart of what I have called ‘the fresh perspective on Paul’, the discovery of a subversive political dimension not as an add-on to Paul’s theology but as part of the inner meaning of ‘gospel’, ‘righteousness’, and so on.

I am glad we are talking about this. The word "gospel" has come to means something entirely different that what Paul intended when he used the word.

 

[francisdesales]

The gospel is the proclamation that Jesus has risen from the dead and is lord of the Universe, not "justification by faith".

Exactly... That is the kerygma, the basis of our faith.


Regards

 

[beloved57]

The gospel is the proclamation that Jesus has risen from the dead and is lord of the Universe, not "justification by faith".

Exactly... That is the kerygma, the basis of our faith.


Regards

paul said that 1 cor 15: 1-4 is the gospel he recieved what can be more clearer than that ?

 

[Drew]

The gospel is the proclamation that Jesus has risen from the dead and is lord of the Universe, not "justification by faith".

Exactly... That is the kerygma, the basis of our faith.


Regards

paul said that 1 cor 15: 1-4 is the gospel he recieved what can be more clearer than that ?

And what does Paul say in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4? He says this:

Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
3For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures

We are indeed saved by this gospel, but that does not means that "being saved" expresses what the gospel is. Let's say Fred is saved by pushed out of the way of a car by Superman. The "gospel" is not so much that "you can be saved by Superman" but the more general announcement that "Superman is back in town and he is going to take care of us".

And returning to this text, Paul seems to express that the gospel is largely about Jesus dying for our sins and being raised. This is not, repeat not, the same thing as an announcement that we can be justified by faith - although that is indeed true as a consequence of the gospel.