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The Gospel Of John

Mhess,I know we're on the same team, thats why i pulled my post at the same time you were posting. I just think it's ashame with all the hog slop on here calling itself christianity, that these petty differences cant be put aside for unities sake.
Sorry mhess i like you but when i see yet another slap at the word "fundie" it ticked me off. I figured you must be under peer pressure like a few more here but i realize now that you aren't.
I see so many so- called christians trying to fit in with the world and it's really sickening. I'll wear the fundie lable anytime rather than be one of those who stands for nothing and falls for everything.
 
exaclty people who suport such are blatantly accepts any thing and every thing.

as to this statement

You have obviously not seen the movie if you think the purpose is entertainment and not to preach the Bible. The Gospel is a concept. It doesn't matter if we preach it by handing out tracts, by getting people to read the Gospel for themselves, by reading the gospel to them, by preaching the gospel in our own words, by using illustrations, by using movies, even by using internet forums. The gospel message is the same no matter how you preach it, and it is wrong of you to condemn a media that you personally don't like. These movies are a tool to preach God's Gospel, and through many have come to Christ.
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sir the reason why u need such entertainment to emotionalise every thing shows me that faith in the Gospil alone to you is not surficiant.

we preach the gospil we dont visualise it.

There is a big diffrence between preaching the Gospil and watching a film

the Gospil seeks to bring truth it dose not seek to entertain people.

some would say in here its funny how we make a comment when we did not even seen the film.

well i say to you people I dont have to use an ouja board to cominicate with Jesus or to learn about him.

as some have done for example.

you see i dont need to drink poisen to know that its bad for me.

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the pricipal is the same.

annother trick used by the devil.
 
destiny said:
Mhess,I know we're on the same team, thats why i pulled my post at the same time you were posting. I just think it's ashame with all the hog slop on here calling itself christianity, that these petty differences cant be put aside for unities sake.
Sorry mhess i like you but when i see yet another slap at the word "fundie" it ticked me off. I figured you must be under peer pressure like a few more here but i realize now that you aren't.
I see so many so- called christians trying to fit in with the world and it's really sickening. I'll wear the fundie lable anytime rather than be one of those who stands for nothing and falls for everything.
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Sorry destiny. I should have chosen my words more carefully. I'm a proud fundie too! I'm under no peer pressure, I assure you and even if I were I wouldn't break! I guess I was just so baffled at "The Gospel Of John" and The Passion being considered evil...But this is a petty difference and given a choice I'd take it over liberal "christianity" any day.
Sorry I ticked you off
 
mhess13 said:
bibleberean said:
mhess13 said:
The reason you guys are against using movies to reach people is because you just don't like movies. LEGALISM
you probably never watch any form of TV and I'd bet that Christian cont. music is evil too...Am I right so far?
I think you guys just want to put a yoke on the rest of us over your PERSONAL PREFERENCES

You guys reek of legalism. This is why people don't want to be fundies.
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I like movies. I own and watch a Television.

A fundamentalist is someone who believes in the fundamental doctrines of the Christian faith.

How would you like to fly on an airplane with a pilot who didn't believe in the fundamentals of flight and navigation?

I like to lift weights, ride bike, tell jokes, and am a practicing homosapien who thinks thespians have a right to get married.

How does that make me legalist? :D

God bless,

bibleberean
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My apologies.
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No problem,

I know not everyone is going to agree with everything. I respect your opinions.
 
Well, I happen to think the issue is one of transcending imperfections.

No. No person-person presentation of the gospel is perfect. We're not going to reach people as good as Jesus did. I have my own disagreements with much of what is used to preach the gospel. I'm critical of a lot of the popular books that get used (The Purpose Driven Life, for example) and music et. al. I didn't agree with the Passion film on everything. I didn't think it was as historical as it may have been. I certainly don't agree with the theology of 'Left Behind' one bit. I'm not going to hide my disagreements when people discuss them, but neither am I going to harp on them...

...especially when I see God using something. And that's the biggest thing for me. Who are we to tell God what can and cannot teach the gospel to someone? I think it is (spiritually) dangerous to come down so hard on that which God uses. As I said, my theology and the theology of 'Left Behind' are on opposite ends of the spectrum. But when people tell me, as they have, that they know God used it or that they grew closer to Jesus because of it, I'm going to keep my mouth shut. The religious people of Jesus' time got themselves into trouble by trying to say that Jesus' and his methods were too radical to use so he must 'demonised' instead. Let's not repeat their mistake.

Now, obviously, when something is totally removed from who Jesus was and what he stood for, we can be sure its problematic. I'm referring primarily to things that Christians disagree with (like movies, books, theology, etc.) not things that are radically anti-Christian. I'm not saying that the 'book of satan' would be a good gospel teaching method in spite of our differences with it.

Two things to consider:

1. Jesus said that anyone who is not against him is for him.
2. Paul said that regardless of the fact that some may preach the gospel for selfish reasons - all that matters is that the gospel is being preached.
 
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Preaching the gospel is what pleases God.

1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
 
It is necessary to use words to preach.

You can show someone how to live a godly life through example.

It is impossible to preach the gospel otherwise.

1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

John 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

1 Corinthians 9:16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!
 
"Saint" Francis of Assisi was the one who said "preach the gospel and when necessary use words".

He was Roman Catholic. The man didn't have a clue as to what the gospel consists of or he wouldn't have said something like that.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
 
bibleberean,

I'm sorry for being mean and saying I wasn't going to talk to you, I was just upset. I don't mean that. But I think we've reached where and what our disagreement is, especially now that I see your post on St. Francis.

Both of us would agree that gospel is the only thing that really matters. Both of us would agree that the alternative to the gospel is hell. Both of us would agree that we should 'evangelise' others with the gospel. We agree that we are innately without the gospel and that we have to receive it, of our own choosing. We even agree that the gospel has everything to do with Jesus.

But we don't agree. Because we understand the 'gospel' differently. That's what it is isn't it?
 
I have one word for you.

Bible says, "The wisdom of this world is foolishness with God" (I Cor.3:19).

Throughout the Bible, God has always revealed His will to certain individuals, calling them to perform certain tasks. Those chosen almost invariably wonder why God has chosen them because they are not those the world would choose. Jesus' disciples would not have been our choice--weak, uneducated fishermen. But "God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise, and the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty" (I Cor.1:27).

then you must choise God's Wisdom or Human Foolishness

"For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, 'He catches the wise in their own craftiness'; and again, 'The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.'" 1 Corinthians 3:19-20

"...the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 2:14-15

"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: 'I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.'

"Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

"For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men." 1 Corinthians 1:18-25

"The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, but he who heeds counsel is wise." Proverbs 12:15

"The fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God.' Psalm 53:1

"Fools mock at sin, but among the upright there is favor." Proverbs 14:9

"A fool has no delight in understanding, but in expressing his own heart." Proverbs 18:2

"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools..." Romans 1:20-22

"He who walks with wise men will be wise, but the companion of fools will be destroyed." Proverbs 13:20
 
paxigoth7 said:
bibleberean,

I'm sorry for being mean and saying I wasn't going to talk to you, I was just upset. I don't mean that. But I think we've reached where and what our disagreement is, especially now that I see your post on St. Francis.

Both of us would agree that gospel is the only thing that really matters. Both of us would agree that the alternative to the gospel is hell. Both of us would agree that we should 'evangelise' others with the gospel. We agree that we are innately without the gospel and that we have to receive it, of our own choosing. We even agree that the gospel has everything to do with Jesus.

But we don't agree. Because we understand the 'gospel' differently. That's what it is isn't it?
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There is only one gospel that saves a man's soul.

There is only one way to preach the gospel.

That is with words. Not just any words. The words of God.

The gospel must be preached.

1 Corinthians 9:16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

Discussing what you believe or do not believe the gospel to be is a subject for another thread.
 
Matthew 5:22: "Whoever saith, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire''


See you there :lol:
 
No one here but the Word of God is calling anyone a fool...so your beef is with Him, not WillowTW. :-?
 
B no argument you dont agree with the bible, where have i called any one a fool.

I quoted scripture about the wisdom of the world is as foolishness to God.
 
I'm disappointed you all went to the theatre instead of waiting for it to come out on dvd.... :-D :lol: (j/k)

I had to write something to bump it off page 2. :D
 
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