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Growth The Growth Step

netchaplain

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The more we consciously know what the eternal life is, and the more assured we are that the only liberty of this life is in the Lord Jesus in glory, the more we shall realize that the enablement for our daily walk and thought must be apart from ourselves. Our flesh profits nothing*, and in ourselves we are absolute weakness*. We may say that the believers, who have reached the knowledge of liberty in the risen Lord Jesus, has had engraved upon the heart, “In my flesh dwells no good thing,” and walking in true liberty finds their strength in the Lord Jesus, altogether apart from their own powers.

Nothing of sight or sense can contribute one single particle of strength to the new man*. Spiritual life draws not its support from the exterior world, it has to do with the Father in heaven. Faith in the facts is the unseen and divinely given power in believers which lifts them out of themselves and up to the Father. Faith detaches them from earthly things and influences; and, by faith, their way and their thoughts develop a heavenly character.

Many believers who are thoroughly well assured in the soul that faith in the Lord Jesus is the only possible way by which a sinner can find pardon and peace, fails to believe that faith in Him is the only way by which they themselves can live to the Father. Such believers have faith in the Savior from the doom of sin, but not faith in Him as their strength form the power of sin. They have faith that the Lord Jesus has magnified the claims of divine righteousness respecting the sins they have committed, but not faith that the Lord works righteousness and growth in them (Phl 2:13—NC). The evidence of a man’s faith lies in its fruits.

A sinner comes to the Savior, the Sacrifice for sinners on the Cross, and receives forgiveness; a saint comes to the Lord Jesus, the risen Lord in glory and finds enablement for living to the Father. The life of faith is not simply looking once to the Lord Jesus for salvation, but going on with Him hour by hour. Being justified by faith, as we live day by day on the principle of faith. We do not receive life from the once crucified Lord, and then go on in our own power: “As ye have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in Him: (Col 2:6)—by faith. Every day believers need the Lord Jesus as their strength; and living by faith, they are living apart from their own resources, and by the Son of God, who loved them and gave Himself for them.

The lesson of dependence is not learned all at once; and in this sense, as there is growth in the knowledge of the Father and the Son, there is growth in the way of reliance. Let believers cast themselves upon the Lord for the passing moment, for the difficulty of the hour, for the condition of the soul for all the thousand and one little things that make up one day of living here on the earth, and they will soon find what the Lord Jesus is for them.

The Lord Jesus is “in you all,” He is the life of each believer. Let the realization of the soul be compared to the condition of those groping about in the dense, dark fog; still we know that it is clear daylight above the fog, and all we want is to get up high enough. Now, that fact is, we are risen with Christ—then may we set our affection on the things above where Christ sits at the right hand of the Father; and though the secret power is unseen, that faith in Him will lift the spirit of the believer into the clear light where He is. “If we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another” (1John 2:7).

- H F Witherby



Poster’s opinions:

*”Our flesh profits nothing”: “flesh” in this context refers to the “old man” or sinful nature, not the physical body; view definition IV in this link:
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G4561&t=KJV

*“in ourselves we are absolute weakness”: e.g. the believer cannot produce that which is spiritual but is used only to manifest or “bear” it (John 15:8); and this is only by the Spirit of God (Zec 4:6).

*”the new man”: though inheriting a new nature results in a new person, the word “man” is in reference to the nature itself, not the person possessing it; which nature is created from Christ’s image (Col 3:10) and cannot be effected by man.
 
That's interesting NC, I agree with his article and your opinions. Perhaps one of the big obstacles that come to people after receiving grace from the Lord, is that they know that they should walk with Him, (be led of the Spirit) but don't know how and consequently wind up feeling lost and without direction in this. So they think that they're not being led by the Spirit, perhaps because they expect something different, taught to them by men..

If one prays in the morning to have Jesus walk with him, and to be led of the Spirit, and no supernatural epiphanies happen to you that day...it's easy to conclude that well maybe God wasn't with me today...Why is that? Lack of faith!

We're like kindergartners. God can't dump advanced divine revelation onto us all at once and part seas for us, we'd crack our sanity. So He is subtle in leading us and teaching us, and it takes time. Who are we to say that we're not being led by the spirit because we didn't feel a particular experience, or because God didn't spell out the plan for our lives to us in detail?! If one is being led, then they don't know where they're going. That's why they call it being led.

People are so used to being in direct control of their lives that they forget how to submit. Relax and have faith. It'll happen, just probably not the way you expect.
 
That's interesting NC, I agree with his article and your opinions. Perhaps one of the big obstacles that come to people after receiving grace from the Lord, is that they know that they should walk with Him, (be led of the Spirit) but don't know how and consequently wind up feeling lost and without direction in this. So they think that they're not being led by the Spirit, perhaps because they expect something different, taught to them by men..

If one prays in the morning to have Jesus walk with him, and to be led of the Spirit, and no supernatural epiphanies happen to you that day...it's easy to conclude that well maybe God wasn't with me today...Why is that? Lack of faith!

We're like kindergartners. God can't dump advanced divine revelation onto us all at once and part seas for us, we'd crack our sanity. So He is subtle in leading us and teaching us, and it takes time. Who are we to say that we're not being led by the spirit because we didn't feel a particular experience, or because God didn't spell out the plan for our lives to us in detail?! If one is being led, then they don't know where they're going. That's why they call it being led.

People are so used to being in direct control of their lives that they forget how to submit. Relax and have faith. It'll happen, just probably not the way you expect.
Amen. For God is working in you, giving you the desire and power to do what pleases Him. Philippians 2:13 NLT

  • What Christians want spiritually today is Jesus benifits without His Lordship. The reason why we are diconnected from the Holy Spirit power, is that we are diconnected from Kingdom of God. The power is tied to the Kingdom. So what is the Kingdom? The Kingdom is the rule of God in your life. Many of us want a relationship without the rulership (The Lordship of Jesus Christ).
 
Amen. For God is working in you, giving you the desire and power to do what pleases Him. Philippians 2:13 NLT

  • What Christians want spiritually today is Jesus benifits without His Lordship. The reason why we are diconnected from the Holy Spirit power, is that we are diconnected from Kingdom of God. The power is tied to the Kingdom. So what is the Kingdom? The Kingdom is the rule of God in your life. Many of us want a relationship without the rulership (The Lordship of Jesus Christ).
There are only 2 reasons why believers are disconnected from the Holy Spirit.

They are either grieving or quenching the Spirit.

The Christian way of life is very simple and we have four mandates to follow. Do not grieve the Spirit,do not quench the Spirit, walk in the Spirit and be filled with the Spirit.

Many,Many believers today are quenching the Spirit, by thinking they need to have Jesus as ruler in their lives in order to be saved.(Christ IS lord of their salvation) The Spirit convicts us of one thing for our salvation......our unbelief. John 16:9 ( not saying you are promoting this, just clarifying)

If we are not quenching or grieving the Spirit and walking in the Spirit and are filled with the Spirit. We are operating perfectly under His rule. And I like to say we are operating perfectly in His friendship with us.

1 Thess 5:19~~New American Standard Bible
Do not quench the Spirit;

Eph 4:30~~New American Standard Bible
Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

Gal 5:16~~New American Standard Bible
But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.

Eph 5:18~~New American Standard Bible
And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit,

He is the Spirit of truth and will lead us to truth. But we have to follow this pattern which we learn through faith(doctrine.) It is the only way we will grow in His grace and knowledge and have fruit to cast at His feet for His Glory.

It is God working through us that produces divine fruit. Not us working for God.
 
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Hi GG - Believers can resist, grieve and quench the Spirit's prompts in their lives (esp. during their maturing years in Him), yet it is encouraging to know that His union with us can never be affected (Rom 11:29). I believe the Spirit of God progressively increases the maturity of each believer, and thankfully our maturity does not determine our salvation.

Always appreciate your input!
 
I forgot to add that one can "live in the Spirit" and yet not "walk in the Spirit," which would be maturity related. (Gal 5:25).
 
Hi GG - Believers can resist, grieve and quench the Spirit's prompts in their lives (esp. during their maturing years in Him), yet it is encouraging to know that His union with us can never be affected (Rom 11:29). I believe the Spirit of God progressively increases the maturity of each believer, and thankfully our maturity does not determine our salvation.

Always appreciate your input!
Always enjoy reading your posts NC.

If I may, maybe you could help me out? With resisting the Spirit, in my studies, is what an unbeliever can do. And resisting the Spirit for a believer falls into 1 or both of the categories of grieving or quenching the Spirit.

Do you see "resisting the Spirit" as different from either grieving or quenching the Spirit for a believer? If so, how is it different? For the most part, "resisting" usually falls into the "quenching" of the Spirit, from my studies. Am I missing something?
Thank You, Sir.

Thank God for our union in Christ. If not for that position, none of us would make it.
 
Always enjoy reading your posts NC.

If I may, maybe you could help me out? With resisting the Spirit, in my studies, is what an unbeliever can do. And resisting the Spirit for a believer falls into 1 or both of the categories of grieving or quenching the Spirit.

Do you see "resisting the Spirit" as different from either grieving or quenching the Spirit for a believer? If so, how is it different? For the most part, "resisting" usually falls into the "quenching" of the Spirit, from my studies. Am I missing something?
Thank You, Sir.

Thank God for our union in Christ. If not for that position, none of us would make it.
I believe your correct concerning "resistance" per Acts 7:51, that resistance here was made by those without the Spirit and so it was the unbelievers resisting the Spirit within the believers. I believe that resistance could be in the same sense as grieve and quench, but I have not doubt that any of these actions to the Spirit by a believer would be out of ignorance and therefore not willingly.

Another good confirmation of the continued work of the Spirit in the believer if encountering these actions is to know that we are "sealed" by Him (Eph 4:30).
 
I believe your correct concerning "resistance" per Acts 7:51, that resistance here was made by those without the Spirit and so it was the unbelievers resisting the Spirit within the believers. I believe that resistance could be in the same sense as grieve and quench, but I have not doubt that any of these actions to the Spirit by a believer would be out of ignorance and therefore not willingly.

Another good confirmation of the continued work of the Spirit in the believer if encountering these actions is to know that we are "sealed" by Him (Eph 4:30).
Thank you Brother. I am on deck with you!
I always get in trouble for this on this forum. But to deny the sealing and have doubts about being sealed forever with Him, I personally doubt if the believer is filled and walking in the Spirit. The Spirit knows and believes John 5:24 and He would never lead a believer to think otherwise.

One thing that may be studied further is, I believe some believers stay ignorant willingly. It may be for a number of reasons. But I honestly believe it goes back to your first post.......Growth. We have the choice(personal volition) to be positive or negative towards His doctrine after we believe. It is why we are admonished to grow in His Grace and knowledge. Some Christians will stay a "babe in Christ" and be ignorant of how to live the Christian way of life because they are not positive to faith as a noun(doctrine) after they are saved. Heb 5:11-12.
 
But to deny the sealing and have doubts about being sealed forever with Him, I personally doubt if the believer is filled and walking in the Spirit. .
I understanding what you mean and if one doesn't eventually evince godliness their probably has never been a true desire for salvation. I believe one who is saved, but may be uncertain of it will eventually be assured because the Spirit of God will show them (Rom 8:16). I also believe that everyone saved will also eventually spiritually grow, because it will be their desire (Phl 2:13).
 
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