turnorburn
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This took place over 6 years, can anyone tell us how many people died? was it
it 1 million? 2 million? 3 million? or? :-?
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turnorburn said:
A little bit getting over here but now the rest of the story. There was another period
in time when an atrocity occurred, that was the Inquisitions. I've heard all sorts of
numbers being thrown around, in particular a book tittled Foxes Book Of Martyrs.
In this book, I've read the book, he threw out 50 million suffered death, this is what
I'm having a hard time with, say 6 million died in 6 years in the Holocaust est. and those
Inquisitions lasted 605 years, let me get my calculator, never around when I need it.
I'm getting figures in the thousands, lets see lets say 20,000 died make it an even
number, O.k. 20,000 over 605 years is what? Um.. roughly 3 people a year no wait 33
people a year. Can somebody tell me how that's possible? Fox said 50 million over
605 years, who wrote those figures 33 a year? :
onelove said:The following is from Australia's A.N.M., P.O. Box 40, Summer Hill, N.S.W. 2130:
"Dear Respected Reader: Since 1945 there have been many conflicting claims concerning the numbers of Jewish people (and others) who died at Auschwitz‑Birkeneu (Oswiecim, concentration camp). However, it is only recent research and access to hitherto unavailable documents, that these numbers have drastically lowered, possibly indicating that more of our people survive. Perhaps the 6 mills often publicized (though our best figure is 4.3 million) may also need to be revised lower, we hope so." ― Dr. Nathan Nussbaum, Honorary Director, Centre for Jewish Holocaust Studies.
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According to official documents in the French Republic (institute for the Examination of War‑criminals) the number that died in Auschwitz was: 8,000,000
According to the French daily newspaper "Le Monde" (20 April, 1978): 5,000,000
According to the memorial plaque on the gas‑chamber monument at Auschwitz‑Birkenau (later removed in 1990 by the Polish Government): 4,000,000
According to the "confession" of Rudolf Hoess, the last commandant of Auschwitz. G.V. interrogation record and written statement [under extreme torture by his Jewish Interrogators] before his "suicide": 3,000,000
According to a statement by Yeduha Bauer, Director of the Institute for Contemporary Jewry at the Hebrew University, Jerusalem: 1,600,000
According to "La Monde" (1 September 1989): 1,433,000
According to Prof. Raul Hilberg (Professor for Holocaust Research, and author of the book, "The Annihilation of European Jewry," 2nd. ed. 1988: 1,250,000
According to Polish historians, G.V. DPA ‑ Report of July 1990 and corresponding public announcements: 1,100,000
According to Gerald Reitlinger, author of "Die Endlbsun": 850,000
In the autumn of 1989 the Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev opened Soviet archives, and the public saw for the first time, the complete register of deaths at Auschwitz ‑ which speaks as a key document of 74,000 dead.
Did Six Million Really Die?....The Truth
This document is a scanned reproduction of the original booklet, in it's entirety, including pictures.
INTRODUCTION TO THE THIRD EDITION
This booklet which now comes to you electronically is so persuasive that it has been translated into a dozen different languages, and conversely, has been banned or otherwise suppressed in almost as many countries.
Did Six Million Really Die? was originally published by the Historical Review Press in England in 1974. It was an immediate success and even though no bookshop would stock it, word spread fast.
A German edition was published in collaboration with former schoolteacher and author Udo Walendy. A French edition was distributed by schoolteacher Francois Duprat; however tragedy struck when Duprat was murdered by a car bomb. His wife was also severely injured.
The booklet, despite some errors, had a catalytic effect. Dr Arthur Butz of Northwestern University in Chicago contracted with HRP to publish an entire scholarly book on the subject, The Hoax of the twentieth Century. Dr. Robert Faurisson of the University of Lyons-2 in France also began to publish his own findings on the 'Holocaust'. All around the world - in the U.S., in Canada, Australia, South Africa, Sweden - 'Holocaust' Revisionists were popping out of the woodwork - many of them initially influenced by this slim pamphlet. Soon, the powers that be began to sit up and take notice. In 1976 the South African Jewish Board of Deputies applied to the Publications Control Board to have D6MRD? banned From South Africa. The local distributor S.E.D. Brown put up a brave fight hut shortage of funds and his advanced age prevented him from pursuing an effective appeal. To celebrate their brazen and successful censorship, the Deputies then published their 'case' against D6MRD? in book form, Six Million Did Die. Only a couple of the Deputies' criticisms were legitimate. The rest of the book consists of submissions from Establishment historians and politicians of every stripe, denouncing D6MRD? without presenting any factual critique. Of particular interest are the 'expert' testimony of Professor Hugh Trevor-Roper, who would later completely discredit his 'expertise' by endorsing the 'Hitler Diary' fraud; and also the submission of the 'reformed' Nazi Albert Speer, whose letter actually provides more evidence for the Revisionist position than it does for the Exterminationists. His letter is reproduced at the end of this edition of D6MRD?
In an attempt to get around the South African ban, HRP temporarily changed the title to Six Million Lost and Found. However, due to the immense popularity of the original title, we have now reverted to it.
Surrogate or 'bootleg' copies of D6MRD? then began to appear, especially in the United States and Canada. Some of these editions were authorized by HRP; many were not. In Toronto, German publisher Ernst Zundel brought out his own edition, with four pages of new introductory material. He bravely mailed free copies to Canadian Members of Parliament, clergy, journalists and broadcasters. Anxious to create a 'story', one staffer of the Canadian Broadcasting Company showed a copy to a professional 'survivor' Mrs Sabina Citron, who runs her own maverick Holocaust Remembrance Association. Enraged at the existence of such dissident ideas, and put on the spot by the CBC reporter, Mrs Citron filed a private legal complaint against Zundel, under a very obscure and obsolete law, prohibiting the publication of 'False News'. She then insisted that the Crown take over the prosecution of the case at taxpayers' expense. Even though Mrs. Citron's group had been expelled from the Toronto Jewish Federation, and even though she herself had been in trouble with the law, the petrified Crown Attorney's office meekly agreed to her demands. Just for good measure, they also added to the charge a recent flyer Zundel had published (but again, not written). Zundel was arraigned and a preliminary hearing was held in June 1984.
The Crown exhibited eleven witnesses. There were two Holocaust 'experts': John Fried and Raul Hilberg. However, Fried's testimony was so weak, and his political perspective so transparently leftist, that he was not called to the main trial. Two survivors were featured: Mrs Sabina Citron and Amold Friedman. Mrs Citron's narrative of her war-time experiences was so mundane that, much to her chagrin, she too would not be asked to testify at the main trial. Although Zundel had thoroughly prepared for the hearing, by bringing in Revisionist scholars from around the world, his lawyer at that time was totally unfamiliar with the issues. Consequently, Hilberg & Co. smugly thought the main trial would be an easy victory.
At the time the main trial opened in January 1985, Zundel had located a new lawyer, a dynamic, aggressive and talented Westerner, Doug Christie. Although he had had no previous exposure to Revisionism he grasped the arguments immediately. Again, Zundel brought in teams of his own experts, both to prepare the research for Christie, and themselves to testify during the Defence portion of the case. Ironically, both the Defence and Prosecution agreed that D6MRD? was largely correct and that only small points were in error. But the Crown had set out to prove that the entire Revisionist thesis was incorrect, and thus it turned out that it was actually the 'Holocaust' which was on trial. Christie took full advantage of the situation by ruthlessly grilling the entire slate of prosecution witnesses. A stunned Hilberg retreated further and further in his testimony; so much so that he was later chastised by American Jewish groups for putting up such a feeble performance.
Although the judge at the preliminary had been a disinterested 'good ol' boy' the main trial was presided over by an extremely hostile and biased judge Hugh Locke. It was later discovered that when he was a barrister his own law-firm had done legal work for Mrs Citron's Holocaust Remembrance Association! Locke allowed the Crown to introduce all kinds of hearsay evidence, particularly an emotive movie film.
After seven and a half weeks the jury eventually found Zundel guilty regarding D6MRD? (but not guilty as regards the other leaflet) He was sentenced to 15 months imprisonment, with automatic deportation afterwards. Despite the severity of the sentence Canadian Jews were despondent, and many complained bitterly and openly that the trial had only given the Revisionists a platform for their 'obnoxious' views. Indeed, Zundel regarded the outcome as a victory. He had aired Revisionist arguments to the public; there had been very heavy and fairly accurate media coverage throughout the trial. And as a result he had recruited vast numbers of new supporters who had never heard his message before.
In Britain, where it is not an offence to deny the Holocaust, an official of the Jewish Board of Deputies said that a prosecution would only bring undesirable publicity. However, other members of the Jewish community had different ideas.
In 1980 a Jewish journalist employed by a communist publication misnamed Searchlight decided; with accomplices, to destroy the premises of a firm thought to be producing D6MRD? causing damage to the extent of 60,000 British pounds. This man, with two previous convictions, was quickly apprehended and later sentenced to an inadequate prison term of two and a half years. In May 1987 a man, quite properly, was sentenced to 4 years for arson against a Jewish Synagogue: damage; 500 pounds. He had no previous convictions. His defence was that his father had been murdered by Jews in Palestine.
Since we here at Historical Review Press value accuracy, we have responded to criticisms of D6MRD? by correcting in this third edition those few errors which existed. Most of these mistakes were transposed into the earlier editions from previous works. It should be borne in mind that Rassinier, for example, was totally alone and without resources, so it is not surprising that his pioneering studies contained some errors, which would be later repeated in earlier editions of D6MRD? We hope that we have now eliminated all of these.
We are extremely grateful to the Canadian government for drawing our attention to these few errors, so that we can correct them, but we do question whether it was worth them spending millions of their taxpayers' dollars in the process, when a 50c stamp on a letter to us would have sufficed.
You can read the book here
http://www.biblestudysite.com/sixmil.htm
Barbara Allan on Tue May 20, 2008 2:57 pm
One Love, are you a Holocaust denier or revisionist?
Barbara Allan said:turnorburn said:
A little bit getting over here but now the rest of the story. There was another period
in time when an atrocity occurred, that was the Inquisitions. I've heard all sorts of
numbers being thrown around, in particular a book tittled Foxes Book Of Martyrs.
In this book, I've read the book, he threw out 50 million suffered death, this is what
I'm having a hard time with, say 6 million died in 6 years in the Holocaust est. and those
Inquisitions lasted 605 years, let me get my calculator, never around when I need it.
I'm getting figures in the thousands, lets see lets say 20,000 died make it an even
number, O.k. 20,000 over 605 years is what? Um.. roughly 3 people a year no wait 33
people a year. Can somebody tell me how that's possible? Fox said 50 million over
605 years, who wrote those figures 33 a year? :
There is a history of mass murder in the Middle Ages of witches and those suspected of witchcraft.
There was also in the aftermath of the Paris Commune (the first Communard government which ruled Paris for a few months in 1870 after the end of the reign of Napoleon III and the loss of the Franco-Prussian War) the mass murder of the Communards by reactionary French militarists. This mass murder far exceeded several times over the amount of aristocrats sent to the guillotine 80 years previously.
Armenian Christians were victims of a holocaust in 1915-1917 by the Turks. The Turkish Republic was new; it had succeeded the Sultanate which was abolished. The "George Washington" of Turkey, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, was not directly involved in the the genocide supposedly but was certainly aware of it. Armenian-Americans have been trying to get an apology from the Turks for decades, but they refuse-they will not admit their beloved founders did such a thing. Hitler was said to have said he knew they could get away with mass murder of those victims of the Holocaust because the Turks got away with genocide of the Armenians.
Not to mention of course a few horrific stories of mass murder of other tribes by the ancient Hebrews or of them in the Old Testament.