The Holy Spirit: From Whence Does He Come

[Catholic Crusader]

In the form of the Nicene Creed which hundreds of millions of Christians profess, it says:

"...We believe in the Holy Spirit
the Lord, giver of life
Who proceeds from the Father and the Son...."

But many other Christians believe the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father but NOT from the Son.

I would like to hear some scriptual support of whatever your position is.
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[Vic C.]

Aah, one verse says it all:

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

 

[Catholic Crusader]

Aah, one verse says it all:

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

You know, I could see people looking at that verse two different ways:

One person may say that "proceedeth from the Father" means the Spirit proceeds from the Father, while another may say that the words "whom I will send unto you" means that the Spirit proceeds form the Son as well as the Father.

You said it "says it all", but you did not say what it says. Pretty crafty, I must say.

 

[cyberjosh]

One person may say that "proceedeth from the Father" mean the Spirit proceeds from the Father, while another may say that the words "whom I will send unto you" means that the Spirit proceeds form the Son as well as the Father.

Well, since the Father and Son are one (John 10:30) there is no problem in concieving the Spirit proceeding from both. Not to mention he is identified as the "Spirit of Jesus" in Acts 16:7. There is no reason to assume this is alluding to the spiritual nature of Jesus since the Spirit is one with the Father and Son, this refers to the Holy Spirit as one with Jesus. Out of this we see the unified nature of the blessed Trinity (which my avatar is modeled after BTW).

God Bless,

~Josh

 

[Vic C.]

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I just didn't want you to feel ignored, so I answered your post.

I believe the Spirit proceeds from the Father, even though Jesus sent the HS. 8-)

It's a triangle, with one point on the top, two on the bottom, connected to the top point.

 

[cyberjosh]

It's a triangle, with one point on the top, two on the bottom, connected to the top point.

Right, and another accepted symbol is the one in my avatar: the Triquetra. You can't tell where it starts or where it ends, and it has perfect, tri-fold symmetry.

~Josh

 

[mondar]

It would be interesting to see a good word study on εκÀοÃÂεÃ…εÄαι. What is the difference between proceeds out of, and created? Does the term merely relate to being sent to the disciples and nothing more? If it refers to a sent one, why did John not use the term apostello? Why did John use this word and put it in this context?

 

[mondar]

It's a triangle, with one point on the top, two on the bottom, connected to the top point.

Right, and another accepted symbol is the one in my avatar: the Triquetra. You can't tell where it starts or where it ends, and it has perfect, tri-fold symmetry.

~Josh

That is a very interesting avatar. I have noticed it. Yahweh saves with a menorah, and the Triquetra. If I search some Messanaic Jewish Web sites will I find it?

 

[cyberjosh]

It's a triangle, with one point on the top, two on the bottom, connected to the top point.

Right, and another accepted symbol is the one in my avatar: the Triquetra. You can't tell where it starts or where it ends, and it has perfect, tri-fold symmetry.

~Josh

That is a very interesting avatar. I have noticed it. Yahweh saves with a menorah, and the Triquetra. If I search some Messanaic Jewish Web sites will I find it?

Perhaps, though the Triquetra is probably less recognized among Jewish circles. The ichthus (fish) has much longer been used as a symbol for christianity in general. I actually made that avatar myself in photoshop. I was delighted to find that the name for the Holy Spirit had exactly 7 letters and conveniently there were 7 candles on the menorah, so I put one letter in each flame. If you would like to see it closer click here. I put the names Yahweh (Father), Yeshua (Son), and Ruach Haqodesh (Holy Spirit -RV[CH] HQD[SH] - 7 letters exactly) in Hebrew to give as Biblical a look to it as I could. Conveniently also is that the Menorah is a symbol of God's Holy Spirit, so how appropriate that there should he a flame of the Menorah for each letter? I was pleased with the picture. 8-)

God Bless,

~Josh

 

[Timz]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filioque

Catholic Crusdaer,

The Popes addition of it aided the first great schism. Do you view the procession of the Spirit as an essential that should divide Christians?


Tim

 

[Catholic Crusader]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filioque

Catholic Crusdaer,

The Popes addition of it aided the first great schism. Do you view the procession of the Spirit as an essential that should divide Christians?


Tim

No, I don't. And I think, behind closed doors, that it is not a serious issue in eccumenical discussions between Rome and the East. Papal Authority is the real divider. If that gets worked through, East will rejoin the West, and we will have regained much of the power of the Church which has been lost. A powerful Church is needed in these turbulent times. Protestants should actually that God for the power of the Pope and the Vatican, because he keeps bad things from happening that most people never even hear about.