The Keys To A Successfull Marriage In Islam

[Arj]

Ladies,why would you marry a muslim? http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-//5275032/c ... rcing-sex/

 

[Gabe]

Is this supposed to be news to Westerners?

Anyone who has read Islamic scripture, would know that Wife-beating is permitted in Islam. Mohammad himself had struck his wife Aisha (whom he married when she was 6 and had sex with when she was 8 or 9)

Although the laws in Islam prohibit a husband from beating his wife 'too severely', in reality, this does very little in providing women safety from serious abuse. Most so-called 'moderate' Muslims beat their wives. Domestic violence is an accepted part of Islamic married life, just like Phedophilia and other sinful practices.

 

[Arj]

I think the australian population is shocked when they learn more about islam.

 

[Gabe]

True, but i think Muslim apologists and some anti-Christian atheists are doing a good job of fooling the West into believing that Islam is a 'religion of peace'. The way some Christians react to the threads i have started on Islam, atest to this. This could all be avoided if people read the scriptures for themselves.

Here is a link to an article i found to be interesting: click here

The article is called Muslim Clerics on the Religious Rulings Regarding Wife-Beating, i did originally copy and paste it here but decided to remove it due to its exessive length.

Here is an excerpt from that article which includes the excuses and blatant lies spoken by a Muslim apologist:

Muslim-Canadian Professor Explains: "There Are Cases, However, In Which A Wife Persists In Bad Habits"

Dr. Jamal Badawi, professor at Saint Mary's University in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada, and a cross-appointed faculty member in the Departments of Religious Studies and Management, has also explained that Islam allows beating ones wife. Badawi explains which circumstances permit "striking" a disobedient wife:

"If the problem relates to the wife's behavior, the husband may exhort her and appeal for reason. In most cases, this measure is likely to be sufficient. In cases where the problem persists, the husband may express his displeasure in another peaceful manner, by sleeping in a separate bed from hers. There are cases, however, in which a wife persists in bad habits and showing contempt of her husband and disregard for her marital obligations. Instead of divorce, the husband may resort to another measure that may save the marriage, at least in some cases. Such a measure is more accurately described as a gentle tap on the body, but never on the face, making it more of a symbolic measure than a punitive one."

Dr. Badawi elaborates on six instances regarding the permissibility of wife-beating as follows:

"a) It must be seen as a rare exception to the repeated exhortation of mutual respect, kindness and good treatment. Based on the Qur'an and Hadith, this measure may be used in the cases of lewdness on the part of the wife or extreme refraction and rejection of the husband's reasonable requests on a consistent basis (nushuz). Even then, other measures, such as exhortation, should be tried first.

" b) As defined by Hadith, it is not permissible to strike anyone's face, cause any bodily harm or even be harsh. What the Hadith qualifies as dharban ghayra mubarrih, or light striking, was interpreted by early jurists as a (symbolic) use of siwak! They further qualified permissible 'striking' as that which leaves no mark on the body. It is interesting that this latter fourteen-centuries-old qualifier is the criterion used in contemporary American law to separate a light and harmless tap or strike from 'abuse' in the legal sense. This makes it clear that even this extreme, last resort, and 'lesser of the two evils' measure that may save a marriage does not meet the definitions of 'physical abuse,' 'family violence,' or 'wife battering' in the 20th century law in liberal democracies, where such extremes are so commonplace that they are seen as national concerns.

" c) The permissibility of such symbolic expression of the seriousness of continued refraction does not imply its desirability. In several Hadiths, the Prophet (pbuh) discouraged this measure. Here are some of his sayings in this regard: 'Do not beat the female servants of Allah'; 'Some (women) visited my family complaining about their husbands (beating them). These (husbands) are not the best of you.' In another Hadith the Prophet (pbuh) is reported to have said: 'How does any one of you beat his wife as he beats the stallion camel and then he may embrace (sleep with) her?'

"d) True following of the Sunnah is to follow the example of the Prophet (pbuh) who never resorted to that measure, regardless of the circumstances.

"e) Islamic teachings are universal in nature. They respond to the needs and circumstances of diverse times, cultures and circumstances. Some measures may work in some cases and cultures or with certain persons but may not be effective in others. By definition, a 'permissible' act is neither required, encouraged, or forbidden. In fact it may be to spell out the extent of permissibility, such as in the issue at hand, rather than leaving it unrestricted or unqualified, or ignoring it all together. In the absence of strict qualifiers, persons may interpret the matter in their own way, which can lead to excesses and real abuse.

"f) Any excess, cruelty, family violence, or abuse committed by any 'Muslim' can never be traced, honestly, to any revelatory text (Qur'an or Hadith). Such excesses and violations are to be blamed on the person(s) himself, as it shows that they are paying lip service to Islamic teachings and injunctions and failing to follow the true Sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh).
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Please note the text i highlighted in green...then read the following passage taken from Islamic scripture:

(Aisha): I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He (Mohammad) said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He (Mohammad) struck me on the chest which caused me pain. Muslim, vol. 2, no. 2127

Contrary to Dr. Badawi's statement, Mohammad did indeed beat his wives and according to Aisha (his child-bride) it was not something 'symbolic' or 'a gentle tap on the body'...it was painful.

 

[Gabe]

Here is a link to a Daily Telegraph article on the same story as the OP: click here

I cannot believe the complete rubbish people leave as feedback. I have posted replies to a lot of them on the site, but they do not seem to be accepting any new feedback.

Sexual violence in marriage is a big no no in Islam. The clerics comments are abhorent. I still cannot fathom what I am hearing from this guy. It's like a nightmare to me. He should be arrested immediately. Also, certain standards should be set for anyone wanting to be a Muslim cleric in Australia.

Posted by: Abdul again of bass hill 6:52pm today

Abdul is a liar. Lies like this may work on the politically correct West, but not on an apostate like myself.

all this talk about australian values. Whatever happened to them when you had a priest abusing children!!! Surely that is also against australian values...

Posted by: s of sydney 6:42pm today

Child abuse goes against Christ's teaching, while Wife-beating is a valid aspect of Mohammad's. Of course s of sydney knows this all too well, but he is under the impression that if you find an example of someone who claims to be a Christian, doing something evil, it will somehow justify the evil actions of Muslims in the eyes of the West. Sadly...s of sydney is right.

One of the more enlightened aspects of Islam is the denial of a priesthood. Mohammed said something along the lines that the head of the household shall be priest unto his family and the no man shall stand between the true believer and his God in Allah. So what is it with these Imans and so called Islamic Clerics? It seems to me that by posturing as priests and delivering sermons they are defying the teachings of Mohammed.

Posted by: Peter A. Lord of Blyth. South Australia. 6:21pm today

Does anyone find Mohammad's teachings to be enlightening? Peter Lord is either a liar or he has never read Islamic scripture; if it's the latter, then he should refrain from commenting on things that he does not fully understand, as most of these sermons do not in anyway defy the teachings of Mohammad.

This stuff he's sprouting (about men dominating women) is in the Old Testament of the Christian Bible too.... not just the Koran.. Bloody religious fanatics of all faiths simply spoil it for the peaceful ones. The danger is that the "tender young hearts' to which they are preaching take it all on board.... What hope is there, ever, for a true peace? Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say that I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one Are religions, of all kinds, just a medieval myth? An ancient anxiety? or just the same delusion with a different imaginary friend. Perhaps those that hope for peace in this world are now the deluded ones.

Posted by: Kingy of Central Coast 6:19pm today

A common 'mistake'. Kingsy seems to be ignoring the Old covenant/New covenant issue and how much of the OT does not apply to practicing Christians, while on the other hand, the teachings found within the Quran are what all Muslims adhere to and follow today. What most of these people do not realise is, that when they spend so much of their time criticising the OT, they are in actual fact criticising the entire Jewish Bible and are therefore unwittingly being anti-semitic. This is all irrelevant to the subject-matter of course, which is Islam.

I think that we should try to make this world like our home in home you may find different people by different names and with different Ideas, but if any wants to say something about Islam He/She should read it first; Islam is a complete catalogue for those human beings who believe Allah and his prophet PBUH and I congratulate them carefully think about it. (Life is test Islam is best if Quran is in your chest, nothing need next, world is only dust, Akhairat is for the rest)

Posted by: Aziz Ahmed Yaar of 6:00pm today

Ah...a Muslim handing out some good advice for a change. Aziz has stated that if you feel the need to comment on Islam, then you should read its scripture first. This reflects my opinion on the subject, but in Aziz's case, this is simply a bluff, as he realises that most will not bother to read through thousands upon thousands of pages of text...shame. If someone did indeed decide to read these text, they may come across this Sura in the Quran:

Husbands should take full care of their wives, with [the bounties] God has given to some more than others and with what they spend out of their own money. Righteous wives are devout and guard what God would have them guard in the husbands’ absence. If you fear high-handedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great. Sura 4:34

 

[Gabe]

A SUPPORT GROUP FOR WOMEN

Here is a link to a site called "Loving a Muslim"

This is a great site that contains a wealth of information in regards to the Islamic views of marriage, children etc.

Here, you can also join a mailing list which acts a support group for (mainly) Christian women who are dating or married to Muslim men.

 

[knerd]

I still think what we see in both Islam and Christianity is like looking down a deep well. We see our reflection and nothing else. I have found many negative characterizations of both religions understandable. Understandable because we are all human. So we are all alike in many ways. And we usually deny that often we are ourselves what we see and judge in others.

 

[Gabe]

I still think what we see in both Islam and Christianity is like looking down a deep well. We see our reflection and nothing else. I have found many negative characterizations of both religions understandable. Understandable because we are all human. So we are all alike in many ways. And we usually deny that often we are ourselves what we see and judge in others.

The mistake people make when discussing Islamic Law (and this mistake is very often solely confined to when discussing the laws of this one faith) is blurring the line between Islam (the religion) and Muslims (the people), thus making any sort of negative criticism (no matter how true) appear biased. Then there's the added confusion of constant irrelevant comparrisons to Christianity (the religion) and Christians (the people). What you say is true; often we are ourselves what we see and judge in others, but when discussing Islam, it is not about judging anyone, it's not about the failings of the human race in general, it's not about Western history, it's not even about the Muslim people, it's about the Quran and Hadith and what they say. My personal shortcomings, percieved prejudices or my chosen faith do not alter Islamic Law or it's negative influence on it's followers or it's inhumane application in the East, which is largely ignored or brushed aside by most in the West.

Wife-beating is permitted in Islam; this is a fact that cannot be denied.

Growing up, me and my siblings had to witness first-hand, this law being practiced. We hated it but my mother would always defend his actions, "It is his right". This is just one fact among many which a women who is entering into a relationship with a Muslim male, has a right to know.

 

[knerd]

Maybe they get married because they.... love each other? But the reaction to this guy's speech has been great. We are finally rising above the spousal abuse that has taken place ever since Adam and Eve. Now if we could just be consistent and not hit or spank anybody!

 

[Gabe]

Maybe they get married because they.... love each other?

Yes, and as I've said previously; every women who is entering into a relationship with a Muslim male, has a right to know that Wife-beating is permitted in Islam, regardless of whether they love each other or not. They would probably also appreciate it if someone had the decency to warn them that technically (according to the Quran) inter-faith marriages are not permited and that there is a high probability of their future spouse forcing a conversion. Once converted there is no turning back without having a death sentence for Apostacy against you.

On top of all this, we also have the fact that men in Islam have (and often take advantage of) the right to have four wives while women are only permited the one husband, women also have no right to a divorce unless it is her husband (and not her) who becomes a Kaafir....if she still chooses to marry him after learning the truth of the faith that he professes, then so be it.

But the reaction to this guy's speech has been great. We are finally rising above the spousal abuse that has taken place ever since Adam and Eve.

Yes, and it has been illegal to abuse your spouse for a long time in the West. Let's not blur the line between the ever-changing laws of a country or state and the unchanging laws of a faith, or let's not try to silence people who choose to speak-out against Islam with a guilt-trip; violence in a societies present or past history does not justify Islam or it's inhumane laws against women and children.

Do you realise how much positive bias the media shows towards the Islamic faith, it's followers and it's history in general?

In the free West where it's citizens forever complain of goverment "control" this wide-spread politically correct suppression of truth should be unnaceptible to all; the fact that it isn't is the real hypocrisy.

Now if we could just be consistent and not hit or spank anybody!

As a Christian, I have never struck anyone and I am totally against spanking; but even if I or anyone else were for it, it would still be totally irrelevant to the OP and to the discussion of Islamic law & Islam in general. It's just another strawman that people use to defend the Islamic faith and it's getting pretty tired.

I wish that those who defend the Islamic faith and it's laws out of "love and tolerance" would also remain consistent and speak-out against the un-ending Islamic barbarity, perversion and intolerance shown towards non-Muslims in all the modern Islamic states, and the cause of all this hate...Islam and it's holy scriptures.