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The Koran inspired By Lucifer

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carey

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If you domt agree please state why.

If you wnat rivers of proof please ask specifically based on your
opposing view and why.

God bless,
Carey
 
By Lucifer do you mean the devil? Because from reading the Bible, I cannot find any connection between the two.
 
Quath said:
I think mankind is capable of making up religions without assistance.

Quath
I disagree with you. All religions are inspired and are a product of the Devil..
Your saying ''ALL'' what about Christianity?
Well Chritianity or being a Christian is not a religion. It is having a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. Since Christ said '' I am the way the truth and the life'' then all other religions are of the devil..
 
jgred-

But, Christianity, like every other religion, became an organized religion. The moment you work in concert with another person of faith to achieve certain ends or set up rules, that is being organized.

Which is why I do not go to Church. I think it is unnecessary and superflous to have an intermediary between you and God.
 
I like the message of the following:

Religion is man working to reach God,
Christianity is God working to reach man.
 
No

Gendou Ikari said:
By Lucifer do you mean the devil? Because from reading the Bible, I cannot find any connection between the two.

It is not in the Bible about this meeting between Muhammad and Gabriel the archangel (Satan in disguise) it is in the Kran that it was Gabriel the same one in our Bible that gave Muhammad the words of the Koran.
We know this is untrue . If you do not know the Koran check out http://www.prophetofdoom.net

God bless,
carey
 
Re: No

carey said:
We know this is untrue . If you do not know the Koran check out http://www.prophetofdoom.net
How do you know this is untrue? To me Christianity and Islam are very analogous with their proof. Here is what i see both religions doing:

1. They based their belief on an older religion.
2. They say they know the gof of this older religion better than the ones they took their beliefs from.
3. Their new holy book is suppose to take presidence over the older holy book(s).
4. They both make claims based on history and divinity.

Whenever I hear a Christian say something like "It makes no sense that God would violate my beliefs as laid out in the Quran", I wonder if there is a Jew somewhere saying, "It makes no sense that God would violate my beliefs as laid out in the New Testament"?
 
Voyageur said:
jgred-

But, Christianity, like every other religion, became an organized religion. The moment you work in concert with another person of faith to achieve certain ends or set up rules, that is being organized.

Which is why I do not go to Church. I think it is unnecessary and superflous to have an intermediary between you and God.

Voyageur
I agree with most of what you said. There is a form of 'Christianity' that indeed is a religion, but is not what a Christian is. let me attempt to explain.
NAZIS or KKK have called and call themselves Christians. David Koresh called himself Jesus and his followers were called Christians. Mormons call themselves Christians, JW call themselves Christians, Benny Hinn calls himself a Christian.
Do you see where I am going??
Lets look at some denominations. The Episcopalian, United Methodist and Presbyterian church call themselves '' Christian denominations' but they are not Christian denominations any longer. They say gay marriage is OK and that its OK to be a Homosexual / Lesbian and be a pastor, when this is clearly an abomination to the Lord Jesus Christ. Now in saying this. INSIDE those denominations are very Precious saints who are Christians and don't agree with what the denominations are doing. Those Precious Christians are the sole lights in those dark places and I praise God that they are there to be the voice of truth and proclaim what the scriptures say to be true and literal. Those Christians get it because they have a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ..I used denominations as my Example, but this is true off all churches.. If someone is looking for the perfect church and find it, I will say its not true, because You are there...

There are also many people who think they are Christians but if we look at what the bible says they are not..

First and foremost. A person must be born again. How is this done? Simply by accepting Gods free gift of his Son that can't be earned by works and is given freely simply by confessing with your mouth that Jesus Christ is GOD come in the flesh,born of the Virgin Mary, went to the cross, died for your sins as the perfect sacrifice that pleased God, rose from the dead on the third day and you have asked him to come into your life and be your lord and saviour. At that time he will send you his holy spirit who will enter you and reveal truths and mysteries that only a true believer and follower of Christ will understand.. They Key is not merely saying the words, but believing in your heart. Blessed is the man who believes and has not seen..


A believer and follower of Christ will want and feel the need to be in fellowship with Gods people for corporate worship, prayer, partake in communion, praise God, sings songs, pray for one another, to comfort the hurting, to feed the poor and clothe the less fortunate. Where two or more are gathered I will be there said the Lord Jesus Christ..


As I have told many of my students. Religion is evil..
A Christian is someone who has a relationship with Jesus Christ and you can tell them by the fruit they produce and by their works.. Yes I said by their works. A christian will want to and will produce good works. But good works do not make you a Christian..

Lord, Jesus. In writing this, I am reminded of your faithfulness to your and all people. I am reminded of that Glorious cross that you so willingly went to for me. I pray dear Jesus that if even one reads this and is wondering, that your Holy Spirit will speak to his/her heart and reveal truths that only you can reveal. I praise you dear God for those things that I take for granted, like the very air I breath and that I have food to eat. I thank you Jesus for being a faithful God, that there is nothing that can separate us from your love. I thank you Jesus for the sacrifice that you made for me..
Bless you Lord as I pray in Jesus name. Amen
 
Re: No

Quath said:
carey said:
We know this is untrue . If you do not know the Koran check out http://www.prophetofdoom.net
How do you know this is untrue? To me Christianity and Islam are very analogous with their proof. Here is what i see both religions doing:

1. They based their belief on an older religion.
2. They say they know the gof of this older religion better than the ones they took their beliefs from.
3. Their new holy book is suppose to take presidence over the older holy book(s).
4. They both make claims based on history and divinity.

Whenever I hear a Christian say something like "It makes no sense that God would violate my beliefs as laid out in the Quran", I wonder if there is a Jew somewhere saying, "It makes no sense that God would violate my beliefs as laid out in the New Testament"?

You are not thinking bro.
Look at what the Islamic ruled countries do to believers of other religions.
Look at Israel the only Jew ruled country does .
Look at christian ruled countries.
Look at even atheist countires like China and the extict USSR.

You have never seen and will never see the persecution of Christians in Israel or any Christian Governed country you see in the others.
 
Your history of the Islamic world seems to be lacking. Yes, there are several Islamic states that exist today that attempt to enforce very crude ideas of Islam upon the entire populace (as would certain Christians who want a Christian state), and I would agree that the Islamic world in general is currently engaged in a crisis of mentality.

However, it should be noted that this is a much more recent phenemenon. The Islamic world was, during the height of its prestige, significantly more tolerant of other faiths than was Christendom. The most notable contrast is in how the Jews were treated. The Islamic world saw Jews and Christians as people of an earlier faith or revelation, people of the book. While they were not always afforded the full rights of Moslems, they were still treated much better than would be expected as a conquered people, so to speak, Moslems, Christians and Jews generally got along fine in the Moslem world.

Anti-Semitism is more or less a Christian invention, as it stems from blaming the Jews for killing the Son of God and refusing to accept him in the new religion. The Jews were much safer in the Islamic world and free to practice their religion there, whereas Christendom often forced them to convert, persecuted them or expelled them. In Moslem Spain, Jews, Christians and Moslems created some of the most flourishing economic, cultural and educational centres, but when Spain was reclaimed by Christendom in the 15th Century, the Jews were all forcibly expelled.
 
Re: No

carey said:
You are not thinking bro.
Look at what the Islamic ruled countries do to believers of other religions.
Look at Israel the only Jew ruled country does .
Look at christian ruled countries.
Look at even atheist countires like China and the extict USSR.

You have never seen and will never see the persecution of Christians in Israel or any Christian Governed country you see in the others.
Governments do not make a religion true. Otherwise, the Roman Empire was very tolerant, but that does not mean Zeus is real.
 
IMO The Koran is not inspired by Lucifer or the Devil.

It contains some Moral and Spiritual Truths which are spiritually and morally beneficial. There is nothing wrong in taking the Good verses that are available in the Koran.

Every religion has got its highly regarded Book or Scriptures which came through their enlightened leaders for the edification of their followers.

Each religious book or scripture has got its strengths, weaknesses and flaws. This is because a single book or scripture is limited and cannot convey everything concerning the Infinite Creator of the Universe and His Creation.
 
vinc said:
IMO The Koran is not inspired by Lucifer or the Devil.

It contains some Moral and Spiritual Truths which are spiritually and morally beneficial. There is nothing wrong in taking the Good verses that are available in the Koran.

Every religion has got its highly regarded Book or Scriptures which came through their enlightened leaders for the edification of their followers.

Each religious book or scripture has got its strengths, weaknesses and flaws. This is because a single book or scripture is limited and cannot convey everything concerning the Infinite Creator of the Universe and His Creation.

Hi Vinc
I appreciate your opinion. You are right. There are a very few good things in the koran as well as many other writings. The only writings I would call scripture are the 66 books by 40 inspired writers contained in the bible.

2 tim 3:16-17
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

I also do understand the perspective your coming from as well as Quath.
I am viewing it from the perspective of Paul in Acts 20:26-27
26 Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all men. 27 For I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God.So I am coming from the point of view of a Christian. You guys are coming at it from a point of view of not being Chritians.

If I may also add this. If a Chrstian does as the Apostle does and preach, teach, learn and do what is contained in the Bible then at worst you will have a good person..

If one does the same with the Koran (Quaran) as Christians do with the Bible, you will end up with teachers who will teach terroroism and end up with Terrorist.. We see this all the time.

IMO
Jg
 
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God...

How do we know that this quote is not talking about the scriptures of other world traditions...that is, if we assume they are talking about the New Testament, why not the Qu'ran?

You see, when 2 Timothy was written, there was no such thing as the New Testament, and the letter that was written wasn't even considered scripture. The only scripture that Timothy is referring to is the Old Testament, the Hebrew Bible. Thus, this quote is really irrelevant, as it is you who extends this term of "inspiritation" from the Hebrew Bible to your own scriptures that were rejected by the very religion from what they stem.
 
AHIMSA said:
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God...

How do we know that this quote is not talking about the scriptures of other world traditions...that is, if we assume they are talking about the New Testament, why not the Qu'ran?

You see, when 2 Timothy was written, there was no such thing as the New Testament, and the letter that was written wasn't even considered scripture. The only scripture that Timothy is referring to is the Old Testament, the Hebrew Bible. Thus, this quote is really irrelevant, as it is you who extends this term of "inspiritation" from the Hebrew Bible to your own scriptures that were rejected by the very religion from what they stem.

Are you trying to say that God did not have his NT planned??
Are you even a Christian? Obviously not, so I would not expect you to understand. A Christian would take the Bibles as Gospel. All scripture is inspired by God and sutable for rebuking you.
Blessings. Jg
 
jgredline said:
Hi Vinc
I appreciate your opinion. You are right. There are a very few good things in the koran as well as many other writings. The only writings I would call scripture are the 66 books by 40 inspired writers contained in the bible.

2 tim 3:16-17
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

I also do understand the perspective your coming from as well as Quath.
I am viewing it from the perspective of Paul in Acts 20:26-27
26 Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all men. 27 For I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God.So I am coming from the point of view of a Christian. You guys are coming at it from a point of view of not being Chritians.

If I may also add this. If a Chrstian does as the Apostle does and preach, teach, learn and do what is contained in the Bible then at worst you will have a good person..

If one does the same with the Koran (Quaran) as Christians do with the Bible, you will end up with teachers who will teach terroroism and end up with Terrorist.. We see this all the time.

IMO
Jg

Hi JGredline

Thank you very much for your appreciation.

The topic is not "Whether the Koran is better or the Bible?". The topic is "Whether Koran is inspired of Lucifer?". If you would like to discuss whether Koran is better or the Bible, i suggest you to start a new thread of discussion.

I have given a general reply concerning Koran and finally all religious books and i have not expressed my opinion concerning whether Koran is better or the Bible. Had i expressed my opinion concerning whether Koran is better or the Bible, then you would have clearly known whether i am coming from a Christian point of view or not.

IMHO it entirely depends on what kind of verses in the Bible or Koran which a person heeds to. If one takes in the judgemental, condemning and violence-stirring verses from the Bible or the Koran, he ends up terrorizing others even though he may not be a terrorist. And if a person takes in the verses on Love, Peace, Forgiveness, Mercy etc. from the Bible or Koran, he ends up being a good person.

I hope you got my point.

Lord bless you.
 
Vinc
I stated earlier.IMO since the devil tries to imitate the creator in everything that he does and is going to do, he also created his own bible in the koran..
 
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