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Bible Study The Lord's Supper

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Henry

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First this is a bible study not a catholic apologectic opportunity.

Luke 22:14-20 )
14When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15And he said to them, "I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. 16For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God."
17After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, "Take this and divide it among you. 18For I tell you I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes."
19And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me."
20In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.


They where sharing the Passover meal together, something that was to be done by all generations. This was not a snack, but a feast. They guys where lounging about feasting.

Jesus took the bread at the beginning of the meal and then he took the cut after the meal.

The Lord’s supper was meant to be a SUPPER and feast, not a snack and sip.

And this is what the early church did, it was only changed after Constintine “legalized†the faith and started cramming people into remodeled pagan temples. Then it was just not possible to continue the practice as Jesus has handed down so it was changed to fit the place.

So, what most churches do and call “communion†is just unbiblical.
 
Henry said:
First this is a bible study not a catholic apologectic opportunity.

Luke 22:14-20 )
14When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15And he said to them, "I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. 16For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God."
17After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, "Take this and divide it among you. 18For I tell you I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes."
19And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me."
20In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.


They where sharing the Passover meal together, something that was to be done by all generations. This was not a snack, but a feast. They guys where lounging about feasting.

Jesus took the bread at the beginning of the meal and then he took the cut after the meal.

The Lord’s supper was meant to be a SUPPER and feast, not a snack and sip.

And this is what the early church did, it was only changed after Constintine “legalized†the faith and started cramming people into remodeled pagan temples. Then it was just not possible to continue the practice as Jesus has handed down so it was changed to fit the place.

So, what most churches do and call “communion†is just unbiblical.
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Constantine seems to be a catch all for everything these days. God couldn't possibly have used a pagan king to establish Christianity could he? Anyone know about Cyrus?

It is a feast for the soul. But if you notice it says "AFTER THE SUPPER". He said to partake of the bread and the wine in rememberence. Not the whole Jewish Seder which was what they were doing. And your history is off. In 110 or so Justin Martyr writes this:


Liturgy of the Word
St. Justin Martyr: “And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended . . .
. . . bread and wine and water are brought, and the presider in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons†(Justin Martyr, First Apology 1, 67).

Gee, sounds exactly like our Catholic Mass today. :)
 
thess

This is a bible study, and you clearly are too interested in deffending the RCC.

Let me make this easy, if is RCC it is paganism and I am not interested.

Thank you very much.
 
Henry said:
thess

This is a bible study, and you clearly are too interested in deffending the RCC.

Let me make this easy, if is RCC it is paganism and I am not interested.

Thank you very much.
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Henry, I believe I did make comments with regard to the scripture you had posted and you brought history (i.e. Constantine) in to the matter. They must have made a mistake on your credentials. I don't see moderator or administrator associated with you. Until I do I think I will probably post what I want to where I want to. But thanks for caring. You may certainly petition the mods to have my comments removed if you like. As far as your interest, I know you are closed to truth and my comments are not intended to change your mind. I do however wish for the Lord to bless you greatly. :)

In Christian love

Thess
 
Henry said:
First this is a bible study not a catholic apologectic opportunity.

Luke 22:14-20 )
14When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15And he said to them, "I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. 16For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God."

So, what most churches do and call “communion†is just unbiblical.
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What I found interesting and something I hadn't noticed before is verse 16

16For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God."

The Kingdom of God is not the "hear now, the kingdom is within you" but obviously the Messianic Millennial Kingdom of the near future. Jesus is telling his disciples that he will not partake of another Passover meal untill the time of his return ...as seen in the future Millennial Temple, Christ will celebrate the Passover...the disciples are very familiar with the future Temple passages of Ezekiel.

Eze 45:21 In the first [month], in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten.

and one guess who "the prince" is....

Eze 45:22 And upon that day shall the prince prepare for himself and for all the people of the land a bullock [for] a sin offering.

Yep...you guessed it .....the Messiah.....
 
Georges

Well I am not sure if I am with you on the escontoligal matter you raised, but I am interested and glad you realize what we are talking here is a meal. I believe that when we are in glory with the Lord we will be eating at a feast, in Rev it is talked about as well.

So, here in the mean time we are to share a meal in our anticipation of his return.
 
Jesus said to "do this in rememberence of me". There were no rules attached to it as to how and when. There are some folks out there who put rules on every thing we do and when we do it. They say that even religious things are wrong. Maybe they think we should lock ourselves in a closet all day to keep from sinning. :roll:
 
ChristineES said:
Jesus said to "do this in rememberence of me". There were no rules attached to it as to how and when. There are some folks out there who put rules on every thing we do and when we do it. They say that even religious things are wrong. Maybe they think we should lock ourselves in a closet all day to keep from sinning. :roll:
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Christine, first of all rememberence is not symbol. Actually the greek is anemesis which has far greater meaning than just to remember. (I am not saying there are not symbolic aspects to the Eucharist but it is not a part of the word anemesis). You cannot take one phrase and make the whole theology of the Lord's Supper and Catholic theology on the Eucharist is not about rules, it is about exegesis of scripture and is very easy to defend for those who will listen. I pray you will.

John 6 occured 1 year before Matt 26 when the Lord's supper occured. BOTH were near the passover. (see John 6:4). Both are intimately related in many ways. In John 6 Jesus says he will give his flesh. "The bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world". In Matt 26 he begins that giving with the passover meal which is completed in his death on the cross as the perfect passover sacrifice. The only one that could take away sin. In John 6 he says "MY FLESH IS TRUE FOOD, MY BLOOD IS TRUE DRINK". In John 6 his gives this body and this blood in the form of bread and wine when he says in a parrallel fashion "This IS MY BODY". "This IS MY BLOOD". No "this is a symbol of ......". Are his words of John 6 no longer true? Is it not possible for him to give his body to us in the form of bread and wine? In John 6 Peter affirms his faith in Christ ("to who do we have to go, you have the words of everlasting life" as he does in Matt 25. Of course Christ tells Peter that he will deny our Lord three times. The affirmation of Peter comes of course after some of the disciples leave when Jesus says "unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood you shall not have life in you". He affirms this very emphatic litteral langauge 4 times in the chapter and never softens the words on eathing his flesh. In John 6 the betrayer is predicted "and yet one of you is a devil". Matt 26 he is revealed. This just some of the huge amount of biblical exegesis concering our belief in the real prescence in the Eucharist.
 
Scenario: I go out to buy Kosher wine and Matzos (unleavened bread) and decide I want to spend say... Good Friday fasting, then at sunset I eat of the bread and drink of the wine. I do this alone or with someone else. Are you saying that that is wrong? All I said is that Jesus did not put any rules on when, where and how you do this, just that you do it rememberence of Jesus. So, I can't imagine how it could be a sin.
Jesus did it right after they ate the Seder meal, does that mean we have to eat the Seder meal first, then do it? That is what Henry is implying. I never thought so. Jesus was raised as a Jew, and all His Apostles are Jewish, so of course they would want to eat the Seder Meal.
Henry is saying that he thinks we should only do Communion (The Lord's Supper) after we have eaten the Seder meal. I don't agree with that.
 
ChristineES said:
Scenario: I go out to buy Kosher wine and Matzos (unleavened bread) and decide I want to spend say... Good Friday fasting, then at sunset I eat of the bread and drink of the wine. I do this alone or with someone else. Are you saying that that is wrong? All I said is that Jesus did not put any rules on when, where and how you do this, just that you do it rememberence of Jesus. So, I can't imagine how it could be a sin.
Jesus did it right after they ate the Seder meal, does that mean we have to eat the Seder meal first, then do it? That is what Henry is implying. I never thought so. Jesus was raised as a Jew, and all His Apostles are Jewish, so of course they would want to eat the Seder Meal.
Henry is saying that he thinks we should only do Communion (The Lord's Supper) after we have eaten the Seder meal. I don't agree with that.
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I agree. Though primarily it is done in the context of the Mass in CAtholicism, though not always.
 
Why can't we talk about the BIBLE and leave this Catholic Tradition out of it, the mass is not biblical at all. And to quite honest I am sick of all the catholic apologetics here. I though this what a bible study thread?
 
Henry said:
Why can't we talk about the BIBLE and leave this Catholic Tradition out of it, the mass is not biblical at all. And to quite honest I am sick of all the catholic apologetics here. I though this what a bible study thread?
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Henry,

If you will note, I provided scripture and my understanding of it to Christine above. That is what everyone does here, including you. Now when I see you posting just scripture with none of your own words then I will consider you to be a man of consistency on the matter. Until then your are either going to have to find some way to get board policy changed regarding Catholic opinions on scripture or find another board that doesn't allow us on. There are many and I can recommend some if you like that have kicked me off and will fit your desire for cencorship quite nicely. Outside of that there isn't much you can do about me posting what I choose to post.

God bless you my friend. I do like you. :)

PS.

And this is what the early church did, it was only changed after Constintine “legalized†the faith and started cramming people into remodeled pagan temples. Then it was just not possible to continue the practice as Jesus has handed down so it was changed to fit the place.

How is this the Bible Henry. Your just not consistent my friend.
 
Thess

I am not interested in arguing with you and quite frankly I am sick and tired of your constent attempts to bait me into arguments with you.
 
Locked for a day or so [WITH A FEW DELETIONS], lets cool off and then I'll unlock it.

Peace,

jm
 
Is there anyone here NOT interested in the catholic take in things?
 
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