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The Mark of God......The 144,0000

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Georges

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Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

How does Strong’s define “seal�

Sphragizo Strong’s # 4972
To set a seal upon, mark with a seal, to seal
a) for security: from Satan
b) since things sealed up are concealed (as the contents of a letter), to hide, keep in silence, keep secret
c) in order to mark a person or a thing
1) to set a mark upon by the impress of a seal or a stamp
2) angels are said to be sealed by God
d) in order to prove, confirm, or attest a thing
1) to confirm authenticate, place beyond doubt
a) of a written document
b) to prove one's testimony to a person that he is what he professes to be


What is the Old Testament precedence for a mark on the forehead?

Eze 9:3-7 And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon it was, to the threshold of the house: and he called to the man clothed in linen, who had the writer's inkhorn by his side. And Jehovah said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry over all the abominations that are done in the midst thereof. And to the others he said in my hearing, Go ye through the city after him, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity; slay utterly the old man, the young man and the virgin, and little children and women; but come not near any man upon whom is the mark: and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the old men that were before the house. And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and smote in the city.


What will be the mark of God on the 144000?

Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

What is the name of God that is written on the foreheads of the 144,000?

Since these men are Messianic Christians….that is Jewish Christians, the mark of God may be seen “in type†today in the Phylacteries worn by Hasidic Jews during worship.

What are Phylacteries?

From the Jewishenyclopedia.com article on Tefillin….

Phylacteries, as universally used at the present time, consist of two leathern boxesâ€â€one worn on the arm and known as "shel yad" or "shelzeroa'", and the other worn on the head and known as "shel rosh……. The box containing the head-phylactery has on the outside the letter ש, both to the right (with three strokes: ש) and to the left (with four strokes: ש; Men. 35a; comp. Tos., s.v. "Shin"; probably as a reminder to insure the correct insertion of the four Biblical passages); and this, together with the letters formed by the knots of the two straps, make up the letters of the Hebrew word "Shaddai" ( = "Almighty," one of the names of God; Men. 35b; Rashi, s.v. "Ḳesher").


Simply, the Phylactery is a box that Hasidic Jews wear on their foreheads and arms that contains the “shema†scripture inside. On the outside of the box, “the Shin†is the Hebrew letter on the outside of the box. The “shin†is the first letter in God’s name of “El Shaddaiâ€Â.

I have the picture of a “shin†underneath my forum name….funny, in all of the forums I’ve been associated with no one has ever asked me what the letter was…..



This is very important in dealing with the mark of the beast……


Another interesting thing concerning the Shin…..

Isa 18:7 In that time shall the present be brought unto the LORD of hosts of a people scattered and peeled, and from a people terrible from their beginning hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden under foot, whose land the rivers have spoiled, to the place of the name of the LORD of hosts, the mount Zion.

If you look at a topographical map of Jerusalem you can see that a –Shin†is formed by the valleys and hills…….things that make you go Hmmmmmmm…..


How does this associate with the mark of the Beast I go into in another post.…….
 
Rev. 14:1-4 is meant to stand in contrast to Rev. 13.
One is sealed by God, the other has the mark of the Beast.
One speaks no guile, the other is all lies.
One partakes of the Spritual harlot, the other the Bride of Christ....
 
Georges said:
Since these men are Messianic Christians….that is Jewish Christians, the mark of God may be seen “in type†today in the Phylacteries worn by Hasidic Jews during worship.
"Messianic Christian" is, by its very definition, redundant. (Same as saying messianic messianic or christian christian.
Messianic Jews - are jewish (by birth or conversion) christians, who are rejected as Jews by their Jewish brethren. They believe that they must observe all of the commandments (i.e. Moses) because they are circumcised. They believe that gentiles must keep the seven (false) Noahide Laws.

Georges said:
Simply, the Phylactery is a box that Hasidic Jews wear on their foreheads and arms that contains the “shema†scripture inside. On the outside of the box, “the Shin†is the Hebrew letter on the outside of the box. The “shin†is the first letter in God’s name of “El Shaddaiâ€Â.
The tefillin are warn by any observant Jew, and many messianic believers, not just Chasidic Jews.

Georges said:
If you look at a topographical map of Jerusalem you can see that a “Shin†is formed by the valleys and hills…….things that make you go Hmmmmmmm…..
If you look at an aerial photograph of Bethel (Beit El in Hebrew, which means House of God), you can see God's Hebrew name -yud-heh-vav-heh- spelled in the mountains. Hmmm ... interesting ... Isn't there a scripture about God writing His name somewhere?...
 
dcookcan said:
Georges said:
Since these men are Messianic Christians….that is Jewish Christians, the mark of God may be seen “in type” today in the Phylacteries worn by Hasidic Jews during worship.

"Messianic Christian" is, by its very definition, redundant. (Same as saying messianic messianic or christian christian.


Have to differ somewhat. I know the point you are trying to make and it is essentially the same as mine. Messianic simply means Messiah accepting. Now the term Messianic is Jewish and not Christian familiar. The point being Messianic (Jewish) Christians. These will practice Judaism as the early church did....


Messianic Jews - are jewish (by birth or conversion) christians, who are rejected as Jews by their Jewish brethren. They believe that they must observe all of the commandments (i.e. Moses) because they are circumcised. They believe that gentiles must keep the seven (false) Noahide Laws.

The argument for the seven Noahide Laws may have to wait on a separate thread....If you believe the book of Acts as being God breathed, then you must accept the Noahide laws (or at least those as given in Acts 15) as recommended for Gentile observation (for a beginner to work up to the Mosaic law that is).

Now the early church (Messianic Jews( were accepted as a sect of the Pharisees. That didn't change until after the Bar Kochba rebellion.


Georges said:
Simply, the Phylactery is a box that Hasidic Jews wear on their foreheads and arms that contains the “shema” scripture inside. On the outside of the box, “the Shin” is the Hebrew letter on the outside of the box. The “shin” is the first letter in God’s name of “El Shaddai”.

The tefillin are warn by any observant Jew, and many messianic believers, not just Chasidic Jews.


Agreed, it was just an example that many people (non Jews) would be more familiar with.

Georges said:
If you look at a topographical map of Jerusalem you can see that a “Shin” is formed by the valleys and hills…….things that make you go Hmmmmmmm…..

If you look at an aerial photograph of Bethel (Beit El in Hebrew, which means House of God), you can see God's Hebrew name -yud-heh-vav-heh- spelled in the mountains. Hmmm ... interesting ... Isn't there a scripture about God writing His name somewhere?...

a few.....one of them I quoted.
 
Cameron said:
Rev. 14:1-4 is meant to stand in contrast to Rev. 13.
One is sealed by God, the other has the mark of the Beast.
One speaks no guile, the other is all lies.
One partakes of the Spritual harlot, the other the Bride of Christ....

Hi Cameron.....

They are both marked....One with the mark of God, the other with the false mark.

One is marked with the "Shin", the other with a false "shin". Why the false "shin"?

One possible reason is...

As the Mark of God identifies the 144000 and keeps them from harm, the false Mark (a mark that will look very similar to the shin) will be taken by those seeking the same protection. In other words, as the tribulation calamities occur, those who don't have the mark of God will see that those who do, will not be harmed. This may be part of the reasoning for taking the false mark of the beast.

Everything the False Messiah does will be a counterfiet, right down to the mark on the forehead.
 
I have no major problems with what you are saying, but I think we have swayed from the original topic. There are several issues covered in our last posts that deserve threads of there own, including the (supposed) Noahide Laws.
 
dcookcan said:
I have no major problems with what you are saying, but I think we have swayed from the original topic. There are several issues covered in our last posts that deserve threads of there own, including the (supposed) Noahide Laws.

Agreed....
 
Georges said:
the Hebrew word "Shaddai" ( = "Almighty," one of the names of God; Men. 35b; Rashi, s.v. "Ḳesher").

El Shaddai is not a name, it is a title just like Emanuel.

His Hebrew name is spelled yud-heh-vav-heh. This is the unpronounceable name of God according to Jewish tradition (based on the cammandment to not take His name in vain). It has been most commonly transliterated into English as Jehovah, Yehovah and Yahweh.

Essentially, we have lost the correct pronunciation of His name, due to the Jewish tradition. Since, in Judaism, it is a sin to mispronounce His name. Therefore, to avoid this "sin", they stopped uttering His name and replaced translations of His name with HaShem (the name), LORD, and Adonai (Lord). All of these are merely titles.

The transliteration "Jehovah" or "Yehovah" comes from the vowel markings that some versions have. Some historians say that the vowel markings for "Adonai" were overlayed onto yud-heh-vev-heh by the Jewish sages to prevent people from uttering His name when reading from the Hebrew scroll; this was to remind the reader to say Adonai or HaShem. Ancient Torah scrolls do not have vowel markings. Most scholars agree that the correct pronunciation is "Yahweh".
 
dcookcan said:
Georges said:
the Hebrew word "Shaddai" ( = "Almighty," one of the names of God; Men. 35b; Rashi, s.v. "Ḳesher").

El Shaddai is not a name, it is a title just like Emanuel.

Well the information quoted above is from the Encyclopedia Judaica....the foremost resoruce for Judaica. I think they would know the difference between a title and name or if both are used for the same. Is it God's personal name? no....is it his name in description? Yes, one of them.

His Hebrew name is spelled yud-heh-vav-heh. This is the unpronounceable name of God according to Jewish tradition (based on the cammandment to not take His name in vain). It has been most commonly transliterated into English as Jehovah, Yehovah and Yahweh.

You are correct.....

Essentially, we have lost the correct pronunciation of His name, due to the Jewish tradition. Since, in Judaism, it is a sin to mispronounce His name. Therefore, to avoid this "sin", they stopped uttering His name and replaced translations of His name with HaShem (the name), LORD, and Adonai (Lord). All of these are merely titles.

Agreed, however don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. When you say El Shaddai.....people know that you are referring to God....

The transliteration "Jehovah" or "Yehovah" comes from the vowel markings that some versions have. Some historians say that the vowel markings for "Adonai" were overlayed onto yud-heh-vev-heh by the Jewish sages to prevent people from uttering His name when reading from the Hebrew scroll; this was to remind the reader to say Adonai or HaShem. Ancient Torah scrolls do not have vowel markings. Most scholars agree that the correct pronunciation is "Yahweh".

That is true....I'm not sure why you choose to insert your initial comment regarding God's name in this post. Clearly the mark is going to be a "Shin". If it's not, I can't see anything closer for a match.
 
I haven't thrown out the baby or the bathwater; I am trying to filter the bath water to find what is pure. I understand where you are coming from, but I don't agree. If the Antichrist is going to counterfeit, then why would he have the beginning letter inscribed?
Revelation 13:17
and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

The scripture says either his name or the number of his name. Why couldn't the true mark be a yud or God's full and proper name. I am not saying that your proposal is not correct, it may be, but I will not hang my hat on that.

I realize that your reference for God's name as Shaddai is from Rashi. That does not mean it is correct. After all, Rashi's work was also originally written in Hebrew and there is the possibility that it is a mistranslation. My kids call me dad and I respond to that, but that is not my name, it is a title that describes my relationship with my kids. There are many many titles for God in the Bible, such as God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

My tetragramatron (spell?) discussion was just a background reference for those who may be reading this thread and thinking "I thought his name was god."
 
For those of you that have mentioned the topographic and aerial maps and what they show, would you mind posting them here? or atleast a link?
 
FirstPeterTwoNine said:
For those of you that have mentioned the topographic and aerial maps and what they show, would you mind posting them here? or atleast a link?

Do a search subject on Maps of Jerusalem....the older maps show the area well enough to see a "shin".
 
dcookcan said:
I haven't thrown out the baby or the bathwater; I am trying to filter the bath water to find what is pure. I understand where you are coming from, but I don't agree. If the Antichrist is going to counterfeit, then why would he have the beginning letter inscribed?
Revelation 13:17
and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

The scripture says either his name or the number of his name. Why couldn't the true mark be a yud or God's full and proper name. I am not saying that your proposal is not correct, it may be, but I will not hang my hat on that.



Of course as I've said it is speculation on my part....I just see a lot of typological coincidences with the "shin" more than anything else....of couse that may be just me, others have their own opinion.

I realize that your reference for God's name as Shaddai is from Rashi. That does not mean it is correct. After all, Rashi's work was also originally written in Hebrew and there is the possibility that it is a mistranslation. My kids call me dad and I respond to that, but that is not my name, it is a title that describes my relationship with my kids. There are many many titles for God in the Bible, such as God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

My tetragramatron (spell?) discussion was just a background reference for those who may be reading this thread and thinking "I thought his name was god."
 
I'd say the most important things about the 144,000 are:

1) The evenly represent all of Israel

2) They are the first fruits of the rest to believe
 
Let me just suggest to everyone that there are actually TWO 144,000 groups mentioned in the book of Revelation (i.e. Revelation 7 and Revelation 14). These two 144,000 do not represent the same group! A careful study of Revelation 14 will reveal that this group of 144,000 are called "first fruits" (Revelation 14:4). "First fruits" represent that part of the harvest that was harvested first during the spring months (March/April). The remaining part of the harvest wasn't harvested until late summer. This part of the harvest was called the "ingathering" (Exodus 23:16-19).
Therefore, the 144,000 in Revelation 14 must represent the part of the harvest that is gathered during the beginning of the tribulation. However, the 144,000 mentioned in Revelation 7 represent the "Messianic Jews" that will be witnessed to and converted DURING the tribulation. These are Jews who are presently "broken off" of the olive tree but will be "grafted" back in during the tribulation (Romans 11:17-27).
To further prove that the 144,000 in Revelation 14 does not represent those Jews that will be converted during the tribulation all we have to do is make note of how this group is described in Revelation 14:4. We read that these "WERE not defiled with women". Notice that it DOES NOT say "is not defiled", but says "were not defiled". In other words, these are individuals who have NEVER defiled themselves with women, thus they are given the term "VIRGINS"! The term "women" in this case refers to apostate religion. For example, Isaiah 4:1 says, "In that day seven WOMEN shall take hold of one man (i.e. Christ), saying, We will eat OUR OWN bread (i.e. doctrine/teaching), and wear OUR OWN apparel (i.e. righteousness): only let us be called by thy name (i.e. Christians/saints), to take away our reproach." We can see that these seven women represent how apostate religion (i.e. false religion) wants to accept the doctrines they want to accept and live the way they want to live and still be called saints (i.e. virgins). The Church at Sardis (Revelation 3:1) had a NAME that they were alive, but they were DEAD. However, there are a few individuals out there who have not defiled themselves by accepting false doctrine and who have renounced all and taken up their cross. These are who the bible calls the "elect", "overcomers" and in Revelation 14:1 the "144,000".
We should also point out that the 144,000 in Revelation 14 already have the name of God written on their foreheads. In other words, the name of God is being written on their foreheads (spiritually in their minds) now. This shouldn't surprise us because this is exactly what Jesus promised would happen to those who overcame (i.e. the world, their flesh, etc.) in Revelation 2:17!
This post is getting rather long, so I am going to stop here. But I encourage those of you whose interest I have peeked to visit one of the best prophetic sites on the internet americaslastdays.com. There are mountains of teachings like this for FREE. They are available in written text and on mp3. The author of many of these teachings is a man by the name of David Eells. This is a TRUE man of God. I invite you to go on this site and read/listen to his testimonies/teachings and even download his books FOR FREE. He believes, as I do, that "freely you receive, freely give".

I hope I have given some people insight into this topic. I don't claim to be a master on this topic or any other for that matter. In fact, I normally never reply to messages in forums like these. But I just couldn't pass up this opportunity. BTW you should understand that the revelation given to John in the book of Revelations is told and retold several times throughout the book each time emphasizing a different part of the revelation. Many people have misinterpreted passages in this book because they have assumed that the events are occurring successively through the chapters. For example, chapter 14 of Revelation is actually a retelling of Chapters 12 and 13. Moreover, in chapter 12 the revelation is being given to John again from the BEGINNING. Again, if you're still confused I invite you to visit americaslastdays.com and check out the book "Hidden Manna for the End Times".
 
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