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The Mystery of Ezekiel 31

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DavidT

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Some brethren here might... understand this 'mystery' which God put in the Ezekiel 31 chapter, which is pointing to Lucifer, before he rebelled, and then when he fell. God used some pretty heavy metaphors, a parable, and even pointers to flesh kings when actually He was pointing to Lucifer. I'll leave it to you to figure out why God put His Message in Ezek.31 in a hidden way.

Ezek 31:1-9
1 And it came to pass in the eleventh year, in the third month, in the first day of the month, that the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man,
speak unto Pharaoh king of Egypt, and to his multitude; "Whom art thou like in thy greatness?
3 Behold,
the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.

Wait just a minute. God tells Ezekiel to go speak unto Pharaoh, king of Egypt, and then He starts speaking about the Assyrian?? Is God thus giving Pharaoh a lesson about the king of Assyria? Keep going to find out.

If you have a Bible concordance (like a Strong's), then look up that "Lebanon with fair branches", etc. That's a Bible expression used at times for royalty, high status. The "thick boughs" is an expression for high branches of a tree, again an expression of being exalted. God is pointing to this "Assyrian" as being highly exalted in royalty.


4 The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent out her little rivers unto all the trees of the field.

That also is an expression of the Assyrian being exalted. But what is that "waters" and "the deep" flowing unto all the "trees of the field" about? Keep going...

5 Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth.

Do you recall in Mark 8 about the blind man which Jesus healed said he saw "men as trees, walking"? The Assyrian is represented by this high cedar that was exalted above all the trees of the field. It was so because of the multitude of waters? What waters? And who were these "trees of the field", for God hasn't shown who they represent here yet.

6 All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations.

Now the fowls of heaven are shown roosting in the branches of this high cedar, and even the animals and their young are under him.

And "under his shadow dwelt all great nations"?? What's going on with that? I thought God was giving a parable about the high cedar here, about the Assyrian? Is that a mistake bringing up that point about "under his shadow dwelt all great nations"? God is giving a parable using high cedar of Lebanon as a metaphor for "the Assyrian" being of high stature, and his boughs made high because of the 'great waters'. And then God suddenly just drops that "under his shadow dwelt all great nations" in our lap? Something's up, that's a Message that our Heavenly Father wants to get our attention with, because He is pointing to something much deeper than this high cedar and great waters metaphor.

At the end of Isaiah 30:31-33, God uses the title of "the Assyrian" as a type for Satan, and there God points to the "lake of fire" (Tophet) having been prepared of old for that king. Here in Ezekiel 31 God is also pointing to Lucifer using "the Assyrian" title as a type.

In Judges 9, Jotham gives a parable of the "bramble" and "shadow". The trees ask the bramble to rule over them and desire to anoint the bramble as their king. The bramble then says if they truly anoint him as king, then for them to put their trust "in my shadow". Think for a moment; a bramble bush, just how much of a shadow does it provide in protection? Not... much. Thus the "bramble" with its shadow is a metaphor that represents Satan after he fell. Satan wants to be our king, and worshiped in place of God, so Satan's bramble shadow doesn't give any protection and does not deserve our trust.

But what about here in this Ezekiel 31 parable so far? The Assyrian here in Ezek.31 is exalted like a high cedar of Lebanon, his roots by Great Waters? Yes, God's River of the Waters of Life, but in the OLD WORLD before... Lucifer rebelled, when he was still perfect in his ways. That is what this Ezekiel 31 parable is about so far, the time of old before Lucifer coveted God's Throne for himself. Back then, Lucifer served God at the stones of fire, His Altar (see Ezekiel 28).

And it was back in that old world when all 'great nations' dwelt under Lucifer's shadow. His shadow was great back then before he rebelled against God, having been made great by God's Great Waters. (Yes, there were nations that existed on earth back in that 1st world earth age before Lucifer rebelled. That time was an angelic type existence upon this ancient earth. The Jeremiah 4:23-28 Scripture is pointing to the destruction of that old world prior to Adam.)


Ezek.31:7
7 Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters.

8
The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.

There you have it. God is actually speaking of Lucifer with using the title of "the Assyrian", because we know for certain neither the king of Assyrian, nor Pharaoh of Egypt were ever in God's Garden of Eden. This can only be about when Lucifer was exalted by God and was perfect in following God, and exalted in God's Eden.


9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.
KJV


God made sure you know He is pointing directly to His Garden of Eden with this parable about "the Assyrian", i.e., a title He uses when actually pointing to Lucifer before he rebelled. Starting in the next Ezekiel 31 verses, God begins pointing to Lucifer's fall in that old world that was before this present 2nd world earth age.
 
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Some brethren here might... understand this 'mystery' which God put in the Ezekiel 31 chapter, which is pointing to Lucifer, before he rebelled, and then when he fell.
Problem with that is .

There is no Lucifer . There is a Satan . "Lucifer" in the KJV is a transliteration of the Latin .

Here is short explanation . https://hermeneutics.stackexchange....proper-name-of-satan-according-to-isaiah-1412

Much longer and deeper explanation . https://franknelte.net/article.php?article_id=218

The Later Human tradition is what caused "Lucifer" to become a proper noun referring to the Devil before his fall, which the Hebrew does not do.
 
Problem with that is .

There is no Lucifer . There is a Satan . "Lucifer" in the KJV is a transliteration of the Latin .
I'm aware the KJV translators added the name "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14:12 and why. They put 'O Day Starre' in the margin of the 1st edition of the 1611 KJV as an alternate reading. So they didn't just do that willy-nilly.

The Hebrew word that is actually there instead of "Lucifer" is 'heylel' (OT:1966), which means 'morning star'. Calling Satan by that title of 'morning star' conflicts with the fact that only Jesus Christ is the True Morning Star, per Revelation 22. It's obvious the KJV translators thought putting "morning star" there instead would have confused many brethren, even though God in that passage is actually mocking... what Satan has claimed for himself as being the 'morning star', i.e., Satan wants to be The Christ.

So the reason the KJV used "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14:12 was really to cement in the minds of the reader just whom God was mocking, and what it was that Satan was claiming of himself, i.e., the morning star.

I use the devil's title of Lucifer to point to his status prior to his fall, and his title of Satan (the Adversary) for after his fall. And regardless of the title Lucifer, the Ezekiel 28:12-19 and Ezekiel 31 Scripture is still clear that God is pointing to the devil, whatever one may call him.
 
(Yes, there were nations that existed on earth back in that 1st world earth age before Lucifer rebelled. That time was an angelic type existence upon this ancient earth.
Time of the Angelic existence , explain please . Chapter and verse might get complicated .
 
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Sorry, but this is my kind of "unorthodox Christian belief" conversation.

Only Father (God) remembers the true name of the Fallen Angel that became known as Satan; and believe it or not when God did speak of Satan, He would not use "earthly men" to beat around the bush on that subject. You can twist the Bible (any version) and draw whatever conclusion you choose; but Our Heavenly Father would never try to mislead any of us, that is something "ordinary human men" have been doing for centuries.

As for the Angelic existence before this earth; while I am curious as to your view, this earth and this one tiny universe was created for a very specific purpose; as it was mostly given in the Book of Genesis. Creation is something much greater; and no one upon this earth is allowed to carry any memories of that truth.
 
God made sure you know He is pointing directly to His Garden of Eden with this parable about "the Assyrian", i.e., a title He uses when actually pointing to Lucifer before he rebelled. Starting in the next Ezekiel 31 verses, God begins pointing to Lucifer's fall in that old world that was before this present 2nd world earth age.
Lots of good stuff in your postDavidT
Think of it as a mirror image of the heavenly realm. It's not really a 2nd world "age" (although it did come after.) It's more like the heavenly realm with a covering, but occuring at the same time.
 

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