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The Near Death Experience - Truth? Another Religion?

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Soma-Sight

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"The guides taught us that doctrine and creed and race meant nothing. No matter what we believed we were all children joined under one God, and that the only rule was God's true law - do unto others as you would have them do unto you." - May Eulitt

"I believe there are two sides to the phenomenon known as death, this side where we live, and the other side where we shall continue to live. Eternity does not start with death. We are in eternity now." - Norman Vincent Peale

As the Archangel Michael's message ended in a haunting echo, I began to float gently back down into my body. Several people were standing over it as it lay sprawled on the sidewalk at the base of the wall. Further away, I could see a team of EMTs with a gurney rushing toward my body.

"The people that walk in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined." - the Hebrew prophet Isaiah





http://www.near-death.com/index.html
 
Soma,

NDEs are based upon the false premise that we have immortal souls. This is not biblical. Man is a wholistic being. When he dies, he awaits resurrection to immortality in the grave until the last trump sounds. Your biblical quote about 'seeing a great light' is not talking about NDEs at ALL. It is talking about the future Messiah bringing the light of salvation upon a dark people awaiting His return and redemption. Really, Soma. To make this verse speak of NDEs is taking it grossly out of context.

Medical science has shown that people who experience NDEs are not truly dead. Death is a state of no return. Dying is a process. They have also showed that stimulating parts of the brain and when the brain is starved for oxygen, that this can cause an OBE experience. The use of hallucinogenic drugs can also cause OBEs. The brain is a powerful and mysterious organ that even science doesn't truly understand. Who knows what it is capable of under the right circumstances.

If I can have an OBE in an NDE, then where does it end? This is Satan's greatest deception. To make people believe that there is immediate life after death and that the dead can communicate with us is complete spiritualism.

Study your bible and forget all this parasychological mumbo-jumbo.
 
guibox,

Your point is well taken....

One thing to consider however....

Many of these "Satanic experiences" have resulted in "good fruit".

There have been atheists turned to Christianity as a result of meeting with Christ and Angels on the deathbed. There have been people so changed by the experience that they become preachers and missionaries.

Of course many have come back and adhere to other religions but who really knows their individual journey but God?

The simplistic notion of "one of two destinations only" for every soul has always baffled me....

Heaven to one may be completely different than that of another...

And as far as hell? The notion of Hell as REFORM rather than TORTURE coincides to a greater degree to a God that is "Love".

Personally I believe the Death experience and the journey back to God to ultimately be a SOLO one.... We are unique and have unique needs and lessons to be learned in this life.

As far as the Adventist view of annihlationism of all those who have rejected or not heard of Christ.....

This seems erroneous to me but if it is true there will be more than 90 percent of all humans ever created dead forever.....
 
Medical science has shown that people who experience NDEs are not truly dead. Death is a state of no return. Dying is a process. They have also showed that stimulating parts of the brain and when the brain is starved for oxygen, that this can cause an OBE experience. The use of hallucinogenic drugs can also cause OBEs. The brain is a powerful and mysterious organ that even science doesn't truly understand. Who knows what it is capable of under the right circumstances
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All you have shown here is a neurophysiological mechanism for the spiritual experience.....

In fact I just read a study that did EKG's on eastern monks and Christian nuns in meditation and deep prayer in that order....

Do you know what they found?

Both the monks and nuns had markedly different sets of brain patterns than that of normal waking consciousness..... And the funny thing is the monk and nun were on the "same wavelength" of elevated Alpha brain waves.....

I wish I could find that article again..... :sad
 
NDE is more of a kind of *experience*. So I dont know how people can clasify a kind of experience as *good* or *evil*.

When is the last time you have an evil experience? :lol:
 
Hawkins

Good point....

I suppose the real question is if the experience is INDUCED by an evil entity or from God...???
 
Funny, but when we sleep we enter a 'near death' experience each and every night. During that NDE we 'dream'.

Not everyone that has a NDE experiences one of a 'religious' nature. Those are certainly the ones that we 'hear' about, but there are many people that have died and been brought back that claim a memory of 'nothing'.

However, there is NO doubt that many of the prophecies that exist in the Bible were offered in 'dreams'. Perhaps God and Satan have the power to offer visions in 'dreams'.

The important thing is that NO MATTER WHAT, the 'truth' is the 'truth' regardless of our ability to accept it.
 
Soma-Sight said:
Hawkins

Good point....

I suppose the real question is if the experience is INDUCED by an evil entity or from God...???
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It's quite a yes and no to me. It's true if it's dream-like experience or the dream-like part of the experience. On the other hand, there is reality-like experience such as mine.

Environmentally, I was lying in bed all the times during the process and occationally i saw the doctors and nurses around. And I tried several times to sit up (for reasons) that I could feel the drop back of my body to the bed. Actually, I spent sometime to speculate the process. I dreamed perhaps 100000 times and they are nothing in common with my NDE. I've read through others' NDE recently and noticed that alot (if not most) are dream-like, unlike mine.

The first thing that bothers me thou is, on several occasions I was in an almost sit-up position, while it seemed that in reality I was trembling with struggles according to the nurses, and my body could at most be 20 degrees raised up, while I felt it's around 45-60 degrees (almost in a sit up position that is).

What's truly scary is what happened around 10 minutes after returning back, I saw the demon. So I screamed and yelled that the doctors and nurses came. Hospital's pastor was called, while I passed the visual tests and answered all the questions from the doctors correctly. At that moment, I really hoped that they could ask more difficult questions such as mathematical calculations.

I tried to punch and kick but no use. Now I noticed that I lost feelings about my own body and skins, more like a zombie or re-entering a corpse. So I told my doctor, "Like I said I had died, I cant feel my body and skins". He's silent while watching me touching my own hands, forehead, ears and so on.

The kind of fear was not just because of what I saw, which faded away later on, but the fear that this may last for a long long time, the kind of fear can make you surrender yourself. Anyway, the final decision in my mind was, "You can kill my body but God will save my soul". So I smiled at the demon and it showed an expresion of being confused.

And only at that time my blood pressure (or something like that) was measured, before that I was unmonitored by any epuipment because I was unexpected to die, unexpected by me and the doctors. Still I just knew that I was going to die during the NDE, I even knew that it all relies on the last injection, that my first sit up was for asking the doctor for that last injection, desperately.

It was confirmed later on that the last injection was crucial to my death or alive in killing the virus or being killed.

The second situp attempt was to look for my mobile phone (to phone my wife) desperately after knowing that I was going to die. The third attempt was when I saw my chain of spirits coming out of my body. The forth situp was being pulled up by an external force, and that's when my last moment came (I knew), with a "process" I dont know what it is, more like a casting of a spell on me, with the sound and the visual effect.

As for the rest part of the story, you believe it or not, I think God confirmed me my death experience.

So after gathering all the reality checks on hand, I still believe that I had died and returned.
 
Wow...

Thats intense man!!

I believe it for sure...

I know experiences such as this happen and do happen... I have had similar times myself....

I am sure it is quite possible at the time of death to have all sorts of entities hanging around with intentions we can not be too sure of......
 
Right on hawkins!

Someday in Heaven we can discuss it over tea and watermelons!
 
guibox said:
Soma,

NDEs are based upon the false premise that we have immortal souls. This is not biblical. Man is a wholistic being. When he dies, he awaits resurrection to immortality in the grave until the last trump sounds. Your biblical quote about 'seeing a great light' is not talking about NDEs at ALL. It is talking about the future Messiah bringing the light of salvation upon a dark people awaiting His return and redemption. Really, Soma. To make this verse speak of NDEs is taking it grossly out of context.

Medical science has shown that people who experience NDEs are not truly dead. Death is a state of no return. Dying is a process. They have also showed that stimulating parts of the brain and when the brain is starved for oxygen, that this can cause an OBE experience. The use of hallucinogenic drugs can also cause OBEs. The brain is a powerful and mysterious organ that even science doesn't truly understand. Who knows what it is capable of under the right circumstances.

If I can have an OBE in an NDE, then where does it end? This is Satan's greatest deception. To make people believe that there is immediate life after death and that the dead can communicate with us is complete spiritualism.

Study your bible and forget all this parasychological mumbo-jumbo.
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why don't you read and study your Bible and then you cav se that there is at least 4 accounts of NDE in it, when people have died and came back to tell about it
 
NDE's point to a God that is far less "paternal" and involved in "reward/punishemt" to one that is "inclusive/loving" and lacking hellfirfe judgements.
 
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