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The Numbering of 10 Commandments

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There is anti-Catholic claim that Catholics took out one of the Ten Commandments. I want to set the record straight on this. Please do not respond to this post unless you read the following article. I think it will clear up a lot of confusion on the subject.

The Ten Commandments are, aside from the Two Great Commandments ("Love thy God..." and "Love thy neighbor..."), the most fundamental biblical expression of Judeo-Christian morality. Unfortunately, they have become a focus of some rather trivial controversies, including how they are to be divided and abbreviated. They have also been subject to some not-so-trivial consequences, such as the nature of their authority and whether they apply today in unmodified form. In this paper, we will take a look at the first two issues, and in another we will look at the latter two.

The Division of the Ten Commandments
One dispute concerning the Ten Commandments concerns how they are to be divided. We are told in Scripture that there are ten of them (Exodus 34:28, Deuteronomy 4:13, 10:4), but we are not told exactly how the text should be divided.

This is a problem because there are actually <more> than ten imperative statements in the two relevant texts (Exodus 20:1-17, Deuteronomy 5:6-21). Here is a count of them based on Exodus 20:

1 You shall have no other gods before me.
2 You shall not make for yourself a graven image...
3 You shall not bow down to them or serve them...
4 You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain...
5 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
6 Six days you shall labor...
7 In it [the seventh day] you shall not do any work...
8 Honor your father and your mother...
9 You shall not kill.
10 You shall not commit adultery.
11 You shall not steal.
12 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
13 You shall not covet your neighbor's house
14 You shall not covet your neighbor's wife...

Obviously, in order to get these to total ten commandments, some imperative statements must be grouped together. Fortunately, most of the groupings are obvious, but there are still two groupings (dealt with below) which are disputed. There is also one other issue complicating matters. The passages which refer to the Ten Commandments, do indeed specify that there are <ten> of them, but they don't actually say that they are <commandments.> What they actually say is that there are Ten <Words:>

Exodus 34:28â€â€"And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the Ten Words (Hebrew, <eser dabar>)."

Deuteronomy 4:13â€â€"And he declared to you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Words (Hebrew, <eser dabar>); and he wrote them upon two tables of stone."

Deuteronomy 10:4â€â€"And he wrote on the tables, as at the first writing, the Ten Words (Hebrew, <eser dabar>)which the LORD had spoken to you on the mountain out of the midst of the fire on the day of the assembly; and the LORD gave them to me."

Because what the Hebrew actually says is that there are ten <words> (<dabar>) rather than ten commandments, they are often (and more properly) referred to as the Decalogue (<deca> = ten, <logoi> = words).

This opens up the possibility that not all of the "words" are imperative statements (commands). Thus if we look at the actual <text> of what God said from the Mount (Exodus 20:2-17), we find that God begins with a comment which is not an imperative statement: "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage." This is regarded as the First Word by one of the historic divisions of the Decalogue.

All told, there have been three historic ways of grouping the material in the Decalogue so that it comes out to a total of Ten Words. The first of these is common in Jewish circles, the second, which was popularized by Augustine, is common in Catholic and Lutheran circles, and the third is common in Eastern Orthodox and Reformed circles.

Here is a synopsis of how the group the material and what they each reckon the Ten Words to be:

Jewish Reckoning Augustinian-Lutheran Reckoning Orthodox-Reformed Reckoning

Introduction

And God spoke all these words, saying, And God spoke all these words, saying, "I am the LORD your God." And God spoke all these words, saying, "I am the LORD your God."

1st Word "I am the LORD your God." "You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image" "You shall have no other gods before me."

2nd Word "You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image." "You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain." "You shall not make for yourself a graven image."

3rd Word "You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain." "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy." "You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain."

4th Word "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy." "Honor your father and your mother." "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy."

5th Word "Honor your father and your mother." "You shall not kill." "Honor your father and your mother."

6th Word "You shall not kill." "You shall not commit adultery." "You shall not kill."

7th Word "You shall not commit adultery." "You shall not steal." "You shall not commit adultery."

8th Word "You shall not steal." "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor." "You shall not steal."

9th Word "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor." "You shall not covet your neighbor's wife." "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."

10th Word "You shall not covet your neighbor's wife; and you shall not desire anything that is your neighbor's." "You shall not desire anything that is your neighbor's." "You shall not covet your neighbor's wife; and you shall not desire anything that is your neighbor's."

As you can see, the Jewish interpretation treats God's opening remark, "I am the LORD your God..." as the First Word. It then groups the imperatives to have no other gods and to make no images as the Second Word, and it groups the imperatives to not covet one neighbor's wife and not to desire anything that is one's neighbor's as the Tenth Word.

The Augustinian-Lutheran interpretation treats God's opening remark, "I am the LORD your God..." as part of the introduction to the Ten Words. Like the Jewish interpretation, it then groups the imperatives to have no other gods and to make no images as a single Wordâ€â€the Firstâ€â€but it treats the imperatives to not covet one neighbor's wife and not to desire anything that is one's neighbor's as two separate Wordsâ€â€the Ninth and Tenth.

The Orthodox-Reformed interpretation, like the Augustinian-Lutheran one, treats God's opening remark, "I am the LORD your God..." as part of the introduction to the Ten Words. Unlike the Jewish and Augustinian-Lutheran interpretations, it then separates the imperatives to have no other gods and to make no images as two separate Wordsâ€â€the First and Secondâ€â€but, like the Jewish interpretation, it treats the imperatives to not

covet one's neighbor's wife and not to desire one's neighbor's property as a single Wordâ€â€the Tenth.

One can thus see that the question of how the material in the Decalogue should be divided historically boils down to three questions:

1. Is the statement "I am the LORD your God..." one of the Words or not?

2. Should the imperatives against other gods and idols be grouped together or not?

3. Should the imperatives against coveting a neighbor's wife and desiring his property be grouped together or not?

If one can settle these three issues, one can settle the numbering of the Decalogue.

The Catholic Church, though it has most commonly used the Augustinian-Lutheran division, has made no formal determination of the matter and is not dogmatic about how the Decalogue should be divided. Thus the <Catechism of the Catholic Church> states:

2066 The division and numbering of the Commandments have varied in the course of history. The present catechism follows the division of the Commandments established by St. Augustine, which has become traditional in the Catholic Church. It is also that of the Lutheran confessions. The Greek Fathers worked out a slightly different division, which is found in the Orthodox Churches and Reformed communities.

The <Catechism> thus states that it uses the Augustinian grouping because it is traditional, but not because it is the only interpretation or one which the Church teaches is necessarily the correct one. Catholics thus have liberty of conscience in determining which division of the Decalogue they believe best.

This is a question which can only be settled by exegetical argumentâ€â€looking at cues in the text and the historical-cultural background to them. Let us now look at this:

A. Should the imperatives against coveting a neighbor's wife and desiring his property be grouped together or not?

To support the idea that the imperatives against coveting a neighbor's spouse and desiring his property should be treated as two separate Words, supporters of the Augustinian grouping advance the following arguments:

1. There is parallelism between these two imperatives and the imperatives to not commit adultery and to not steal, which everyone regards as two separate Words. Thus we should reckon these two imperatives as two separate words.

2. This is strengthened by the fact that in the Deuteronomy 5 version these imperatives are in the same order as the Words against adultery and theft, strengthening the parallelism.

3. The Deuteronomy 5 version of the Decalogue uses different verbs in the two imperatives. It says one must not "covet" (Hebrew, <chamad>) a neighbor's spouse, but that one must not "desire" (Hebrew, <avah>) a neighbor's property. Two separate verbs, thus two separate Words.

In response to these considerations, opponents of the Augustinian grouping argue that:

1. The purpose of the two imperatives is to internalize prior materialâ€â€to indicate that not only is the external commission of adultery and theft sinful but also the internal setting of one's heart on these things sinful. Because of this, they form a unified "internalization" command and there would not be much point to having a separate Word to rehearse previous imperatives in internal form when a general internalization command is given.

2. The Exodus 20 version of the Decalogue, the command concerning a neighbor's wife is mixed in among a catalogue of his property, destroying that heightened parallelism. Also, the Exodus version is presented to us as the more primitive of the two, making it more normative.

3. The Exodus 20 version of the Decalogue uses only <one> verbâ€â€"covet" (Hebrew, <chamad>)â€â€to refer to setting one's heart on either wife or property. Again, the Exodus version is the more primitive, making it more normative.

In rejoinder to these arguments, supporters of the Augustinian grouping may reply:

1. The theory of a general "internalization" command is weakened by the fact it does not repeat any of the other commands besides adultery and theft. It could have repeated an internalized prohibition of breaking the Sabbath, honoring one's parents, killing (Jesus himself did an internalized application of this in the Sermon on the Mount), or lying about others (i.e., knowingly thinking ill of them against the facts).

2-3. The assumption that because the Exodus account is presented as the more primitive one does not make it more normative. The reverse can also be arguedâ€â€i.e., that Deuteronomy restructures the material to make the division between the commands more clear. This phenomenon is found in the New Testament, where authors restructure and rephrase more primitive material to make it clearer.

B. Should the imperatives against other gods and idols be grouped together or not? Advocates of the Orthodox-Reformed grouping argue for separating the anti-false gods and anti-idols imperatives by pointing out that, philosophically, there is a difference between worshipping a false god and using idols. One can do one without the other, as when a modern neo-pagan worships some ancient godâ€â€say Thorâ€â€without making himself a Thor idol.

In response to this, advocates of the Jewish and Augustinian-Lutheran grouping may point out:

1. This is a philosophical argument, not an exegetical one.

2. It completely ignores the historical context of the Decalogue. Modern neo-pagans who have a philosophical form of polytheismâ€â€rather than a concrete form based on physical images of their godsâ€â€simply did not exist in that time and place. In the ancient Near-Eastern mind of the second millennium B.C., polytheism and idolatry <were synonymous.> In their historical situation, the Jewish audience did <not> need to have stressed to them <both> a prohibition of polytheism and a prohibition of idolatry, for in their minds the two were one and the same, meaning that prohibiting one automatically prohibited the other.

3. If the imperative against false gods and the imperative against idols are separated, the latter becomes bizarrely lopsided. Idols are only of interest to God insofar as they are false gods. God has no problem with statues in general, or even religious statues (see next point). It is only because they are considered to be gods that the Lord is interested in them as this violates his territory. This creates problems.

First, by dividing the no false gods imperative from the no idols imperative, the latter would be almost eight times as long as the former; the no false gods imperative is five words long in Hebrew, while no idols imperative (only of interest since idols are false gods) is thirty-nine words long.

Second, if one divides the two imperatives there is material in the second half that raises questions, such as why does God warn the Jews not to worship idols when (in the no false gods command) he did not warn them to worship false gods. Surely they reason idols are not to be worshipped is that they are not gods. But if the two imperatives are one united injunction against false-gods/idols, then the injunction not to worship applies to both. The same applies to the long warning about God visiting punishment on those who hate him (don't worship him) but showing mercy to those who do love him (cling to him alone in worship). Why would God only use this warning in application to idols rather than false gods if there are two commandments? But if there is only one, the warning directly applies to both (as opposed to only indirectly applicable to both).

4. If the statement "You shall not make for yourself a graven idol" (the word for "idol" and "image" are the same) is taken out of the context of polytheismâ€â€as a prohibition of making <any> image of "anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth," rather than of making an idol in any one of these formsâ€â€then the Bible contradicts itself, for God multiple times commands the making of images of "thing that [are] in heaven above, or that [are] in the earth beneath, or that [are] in the water under the earth," as when he commands the making of the bronze serpent (Numbers 21:8) or the cherubim which are all over the Tabernacle, Solomon's Temple, or Ezekiel's visionary Temple.

C. Is the statement "I am the LORD your God..." one of the Words or not? Supporters of the Jewish view may point out that:

1. It is simply unthinkable that the Decalogue would begin with a prohibition of false gods without first a directive to worship the true God. Thus the statement "I am the LORD your God..." should be regarded as one of the Words.

2. In their historical situation, the Jewish audience needed to have stressed to them <both> the need to worship the true God, who had delivered them from Egypt, <and> the fact that they must not worship other gods. Thus the statement "I am the LORD your God..." should not be lumped with the prohibition of false gods.

Personally, of all these arguments, I find those for "I am the LORD your God..." being a separate Word convincing and those for the imperatives against polytheism and idolatry being one Word convincing. In order to make the number of Words total to ten (Exodus 34:28, Deuteronomy 4:13, 10:4), I must then tentatively assume that the prohibition on coveting a neighbor's spouse and desiring his property should be grouped as a single Word. I thus tend to find the argument for the Jewish division of the Decalogue to be most persuasive.

Still, this is a very minor matter, and it would not be considered important at all except for one thing...

The Abbreviation of the Ten Commandments

For a couple of reasons, Christians have historically aided memorization of the Decalogue by using an abbreviation of the commandments. Thus the <Catechism of the Catholic Church> notes:

2065 Ever since St. Augustine, the Ten Commandments have occupied a predominant place in the catechesis of baptismal candidates and the faithful. In the fifteenth century, the custom arose of expressing the commandments of the Decalogue in rhymed formulae, easy to memorize and in positive form. They are still in use today. The catechisms of the Church have often expounded Christian morality by following the order of the Ten Commandments.

By nature, an abbreviation must leave out certain material, and since the Church has most typically used the Augustinian division of the Decalogue, the section of the Decalogue which says:

"You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.

Gets abbreviated to:

"You shall have no other gods before me.

This abbreviation has led anti-Catholics to virtually explode with rage, declaring that the Catholic Church has "hidden" or "removed" from the Ten Commandments the prohibition of idolatry. This assertion stems from two sources: (1) their misinterpretation of the idolatry command as a prohibition of all religious images and (2) their intense hostility toward the Catholic Church.

However, the falsity of the charge can easily be shown by pointing out that:

1. Luther himself abbreviated the no false gods/no idols commandment this way.

2. Jewsâ€â€who today are even more opposed to religious representations than Protestantsâ€â€abbreviate this command in this way.

3. Protestants themselves, even those who separate the two parts of the command, abbreviate them for catechetical purposes, showing that catechetical abbreviation is perfectly fine in principle and is in no way an attempt to "hide" or "remove" any of the Ten Commandments.

4. Teaching the faith to others, especially children, <requires> an abbreviation of the Ten Commandments for easy memorization since they are otherwise a very long block of material to memorize, longer than any of the commonly recited creeds. It would take a <great> deal of effort to memorize the Ten Commandments in unabbreviated form. And while God certainly wants each Christian to <know> the Ten Commandments, he certainly does not expect every Christian (including the billions of illiterate ones in world history) to <memorize> them in unabbreviated form. That is <not> an essential Christian duty, and thus Luther, the Jews, and Protestants in general have used abbreviations to aid in memorization.

5. Another reasonâ€â€besides their sheer lengthâ€â€for abbreviating the Ten Commandments is that they contain a lot of historical material that is simply not directly applicable to modern Gentile Christians. Thus God tells the ancient, Jewish audience that he is the Lord, "who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage" (Ex. 20:2), that they must honor (lit., "glorify") their parents so "that your days may be long in the land which the LORD your God gives you" (Ex. 20:12), and that "You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out thence with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day" (Deut. 5:15). Besides these, there are also numerous cultural-historical references which no longer apply to the overwhelming majority of Christians todayâ€â€such as having male and female slaves, cities with gates and walls, oxen, asses, and fieldsâ€â€while they did apply to what might be called "the Hebrew middle class" in ancient Palestine.

6. Finally, the fact the Church is not trying to "hide" or "remove" any of Ten Commandments by abbreviating them in the memorization formula is indicated by the fact that <everywhere else> the Church uses them in <unabbreviated> form. They are there, in all their unabbreviated glory, in every Catholic Bible, including the Vulgate, which was used for a thousand years before the Protestant Reformation, as well as in all the vernacular translations of Scripture before and since the appearance of Protestantism. They are read out unabbreviated during the Scripture readings at Mass (and always have been). And, finally, when catechetics is done and people are taught the Ten Commandments, they are always read and shown the unabbreviated form before being asked to learn the memorization formula.

In short, there is simply no basis whatsoever to the charge that the Church is trying to "hide" or "remove" any of the Ten Commandments. Rather, the Church is trying to make them easier to memorize and thus help people learn and internalize them better. One may well ask in which communion an average, catechized person is more likely to know the Ten Commandments by heart. Is a catechized Catholic more likely to be able to name the commandments in order, or is a average, catechized Protestant more likely to be able to name them in order? Which communion <really> stresses the Ten Commandments more in its catechesis? The group that says it is a mortal sin to violate them or the group that is more prone to say, "That is just Old Testament. Today we have grace"?

http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/NUMBERNG.htm
 
In Exodus 34, God makes Moses recarve the 10 commandments since he broke them the first time. So God gives him the Ten Commandments which were a copy of the first Ten Commandments, but they are now different.

They are

1. Thou shalt worship no other god (For the Lord is a jealous god).

2. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.

3. The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep in the month when the ear is on the corn.

4. All the first-born are mine.

5. Six days shalt thou work, but on the seventh thou shalt rest.

6. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, even of the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

7. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread.

8. The fat of my feast shall not remain all night until the morning.

9. The first of the first fruits of thy ground thou shalt bring unto the house of the Lord thy God.

10. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in its mother's milk.

I find this pretty contradictive.

Quath
 
Quath,

You left out verse 23 in your list of commandments and also verse 25. I would read it as saying that the covenant that he is making with his people at that time, post Egypt slaves, was written on the same tablets that had the Ten Commandments. Moses would have to be rather stupid not to see this contradiction if this is what God was really saying. I don’t know of a tradition that reads this passage the way you are.
 
Cure of Ars said:
You left out verse 23 in your list of commandments and also verse 25. I would read it as saying that the covenant that he is making with his people at that time, post Egypt slaves, was written on the same tablets that had the Ten Commandments. Moses would have to be rather stupid not to see this contradiction if this is what God was really saying. I don’t know of a tradition that reads this passage the way you are.
It seems like a pretty obvious contradiction. So I would have thought it would have been edited to fix it. There are several places in the Bible where a double story is just repeated (such as Genesis Creation or the talking donkey). If you read it as a continuous story, you get contradictions. However, if you read it as two versions of the same story, it makes sense (but you don't know which story is really the truth).

I am not sure if that happened with the Exodus stories, but that could explain this if it did.

I think verse 23 goes with the 6th commandment in this list as how the feast of weeks is handled. Verse 25 looks to be he 7th and 8th commandment.

Quath
 
Gary said:
Positive atheism.... what a joke! Why waste time (if you are an atheist) with people you think are deluded?
It allows me to hang out with such nice people as yourself. ;)

Quath
 
Thanks Quath... you are so cute. Doing anything tonight?

:wink:
 
Quath said:
It seems like a pretty obvious contradiction. So I would have thought it would have been edited to fix it. There are several places in the Bible where a double story is just repeated (such as Genesis Creation or the talking donkey). If you read it as a continuous story, you get contradictions. However, if you read it as two versions of the same story, it makes sense (but you don't know which story is really the truth).

I guess what you call a blatant contradiction I call a difficulty through misunderstanding. But my interpretation is possible and it seems to comply with the traditional understanding of the text.
 
Gary said:
http://www.geocities.com/gary_bee_za/bible/10commandments.htm

:)

Gary your on top of this one. :wink: You got some good info there on your site. Remember that the Catholic Church has not defined the numbering of the 10 commandments.

Thus the <Catechism of the Catholic Church> states:

2066 The division and numbering of the Commandments have varied in the course of history. The present catechism follows the division of the Commandments established by St. Augustine, which has become traditional in the Catholic Church. It is also that of the Lutheran confessions. The Greek Fathers worked out a slightly different division, which is found in the Orthodox Churches and Reformed communities.

The <Catechism> thus states that it uses the Augustinian grouping because it is traditional, but not because it is the only interpretation or one which the Church teaches is necessarily the correct one. Catholics thus have liberty of conscience in determining which division of the Decalogue they believe best. ,

I would probably say that the Jewish numbering is the correct one myself.
 
Cure of Ars said:
... Vic you didn't read it did you. :-?
I most certainly did. I would not make a comment like I did if I didn't read the article. Sorry if I didn't understand it the way you wanted us to understand it. I just thought the methodology used in the link Gary provided was straight to the point and more accurate. i.e.- it made more sense.
 
Vic said:
Cure of Ars said:
... Vic you didn't read it did you. :-?
I most certainly did. I would not make a comment like I did if I didn't read the article. Sorry if I didn't understand it the way you wanted us to understand it. I just thought the methodology used in the link Gary provided was straight to the point and more accurate. i.e.- it made more sense.

I find it hard to believe that you read it. You said, "...articles that try to justify why some would omit a particular Commandment from their Bible." Now if you read the article what part tried to justify omitng a commandment from the Bible? Omiting things from the Bible is not even an issue. The Catholic and Protestant bibles are the same in this regard. The difference is how people group them and this is not even defined by the Catholic Church.


What part is not "accurate"?


I think the problem resides in you not wanting to (or afraid to) put forth the effort to hear and understand the Catholic point of view more than anything else.

Gary listed the different groupings. He did not give a reason why they are grouped different.
 
Believe what you want. I read it. I even discussed it with some of my Jewish co-workers. :-? You asked "what part tried to justify omitng a commandment from the Bible? Omiting things from the Bible is not even an issue." I disagree. Omitting things from the Bible IS an issue. I can hardly believe one would make light of this. I see from this point The Abbreviation of the Ten Commandments on as trying to rationalize omitting the Second Commandment.

1. Luther himself abbreviated the no false gods/no idols commandment this way.

Luther didn't abbreviated (omit)anything from the commandment. He just didn't seperate the way we do.

2. Jewsâ€â€who today are even more opposed to religious representations than Protestantsâ€â€abbreviate this command in this way.

This is SO untrue. I asked one of my co-workers and he said, "Oh no... this one is a biggie for us. After all, it's what seperated Abraham from the rest of the people of his time".

3. Protestants themselves, even those who separate the two parts of the command, abbreviate them for catechetical purposes, showing that catechetical abbreviation is perfectly fine in principle and is in no way an attempt to "hide" or "remove" any of the Ten Commandments.

News to me. I am affiliated with a SBC congregation and we do not do that. Then again, the SBC is not your average Prot. denomination. We may shorten them for simplicity but we do not omit anything concerning the 10 basic commands.

4. Teaching the faith to others, especially children, <requires> an abbreviation of the Ten Commandments for easy memorization since they are otherwise a very long block of material to memorize, longer than any of the commonly recited creeds. It would take a <great> deal of effort to memorize the Ten Commandments in unabbreviated form. And while God certainly wants each Christian to <know> the Ten Commandments, he certainly does not expect every Christian (including the billions of illiterate ones in world history) to <memorize> them in unabbreviated form. That is <not> an essential Christian duty, and thus Luther, the Jews, and Protestants in general have used abbreviations to aid in memorization.

Again, same answer as above.

I think the problem resides in you not wanting to (or afraid to) put forth the effort to hear and understand the Catholic point of view more than anything else.

I was a RC for 18 years. I don't dwell in their scriptural denial anymore.

Gary listed the different groupings. He did not give a reason why they are grouped different.

We must be talking about two different links. This is the link I was referring to...

http://www.tektonics.org/qt/tentab.html
 
Believe what you want. I read it. I even discussed it with some of my Jewish co-workers. You asked "what part tried to justify omitng a commandment from the Bible? Omiting things from the Bible is not even an issue." I disagree. Omitting things from the Bible IS an issue. I can hardly believe one would make light of this. I see from this point The Abbreviation of the Ten Commandments on as trying to rationalize omitting the Second Commandment.

If you look at a Catholic Bible you will see the same words in regards to idols as in Protestant Bibles. In the Catechism of the Catholic Church it talks about idols in regards to this commandment.

Idolatry
2112 The first commandment condemns polytheism. It requires man neither to believe in, nor to venerate, other divinities than the one true God. Scripture constantly recalls this rejection of "idols, [of] silver and gold, the work of men's hands. They have mouths, but do not speak; eyes, but do not see." These empty idols make their worshippers empty: "Those who make them are like them; so are all who trust in them."42 God, however, is the "living God"43 who gives life and intervenes in history.
2113 Idolatry not only refers to false pagan worship. It remains a constant temptation to faith. Idolatry consists in divinizing what is not God. Man commits idolatry whenever he honors and reveres a creature in place of God, whether this be gods or demons (for example, satanism), power, pleasure, race, ancestors, the state, money, etc. Jesus says, "You cannot serve God and mammon."44 Many martyrs died for not adoring "the Beast"45 refusing even to simulate such worship. Idolatry rejects the unique Lordship of God; it is therefore incompatible with communion with God.46
2114 Human life finds its unity in the adoration of the one God. The commandment to worship the Lord alone integrates man and saves him from an endless disintegration. Idolatry is a perversion of man's innate religious sense. An idolater is someone who "transfers his indestructible notion of God to anything other than God."47

IV. "YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FOR YOURSELF A GRAVEN IMAGE . . ."
2129 The divine injunction included the prohibition of every representation of God by the hand of man. Deuteronomy explains: "Since you saw no form on the day that the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire, beware lest you act corruptly by making a graven image for yourselves, in the form of any figure. . . . "66 It is the absolutely transcendent God who revealed himself to Israel. "He is the all," but at the same time "he is greater than all his works."67 He is "the author of beauty."68
2130 Nevertheless, already in the Old Testament, God ordained or permitted the making of images that pointed symbolically toward salvation by the incarnate Word: so it was with the bronze serpent, the ark of the covenant, and the cherubim.69
2131 Basing itself on the mystery of the incarnate Word, the seventh ecumenical council at Nicaea (787) justified against the iconoclasts the veneration of icons - of Christ, but also of the Mother of God, the angels, and all the saints. By becoming incarnate, the Son of God introduced a new "economy" of images.
2132 The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, "the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype," and "whoever venerates an image venerates the person portrayed in it."70 The honor paid to sacred images is a "respectful veneration," not the adoration due to God alone:
Religious worship is not directed to images in themselves, considered as mere things, but under their distinctive aspect as images leading us on to God incarnate. The movement toward the image does not terminate in it as image, but tends toward that whose image it is.71
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c1a1.htm#2129

There is no need to rationalize anything because it is not omitted.

Luther didn't abbreviated (omit)anything from the commandment. He just didn't seperate the way we do.

All you have to do is look at The Small Catechism that was written by Martin Luther. He did abbreviate is just like Catholic do to make it easier to learn. Here it is if you want to see for yourself:


http://www.bookofconcord.org/smallcatec ... mmandments

2. Jewsâ€â€who today are even more opposed to religious representations than Protestantsâ€â€abbreviate this command in this way.

This is SO untrue. I asked one of my co-workers and he said, "Oh no... this one is a biggie for us. After all, it's what seperated Abraham from the rest of the people of his time".

Well if you look at this Hebrew site it does abbreviate it just like Luther and Catholics.

http://www.jewfaq.org/10.htm

[quote:36727]3. Protestants themselves, even those who separate the two parts of the command, abbreviate them for catechetical purposes, showing that catechetical abbreviation is perfectly fine in principle and is in no way an attempt to "hide" or "remove" any of the Ten Commandments.

News to me. I am affiliated with a SBC congregation and we do not do that. Then again, the SBC is not your average Prot. denomination. We may shorten them for simplicity but we do not omit anything concerning the 10 basic commands.[/quote:36727]

You have a double standard. It's ok for the SBC congregation to shorten it, Luther, Jews, but when Catholics do this there is some evil motive.
 
Quath said:
Gary said:
Positive atheism.... what a joke! Why waste time (if you are an atheist) with people you think are deluded?
It allows me to hang out with such nice people as yourself. ;)

Quath

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'Well', my wife says that that is a mighty d-e-e-e-p subject! :wink:

Anyway, does one recall Deut. 31 & Moses book of laws?

---John
 
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