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THE OPENING - HOW CAN YOU DISAGREE?

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The Opening

( i seek refuge with God from the accursed satan )
1. In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.  
2. All the praises and thanks be to God, the Lord of all that exists.
3. The Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.  
4. The Only King and Judge of the Day of Resurrection
5. You (Alone) we worship, and You (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything).  
6. Guide us to the Straight Way.
7. The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger , nor of those who went astray

this is a translation of the meaning of the first verse of The Quran. It is seen as the MOST important verse of all 114 verses in the Quran. This verse is the CORNERSTONE of Islam and is repeated multiple times each and every time we pray.

listen to it in arabic:
http://quran.islamway.com/basfarmujaw/001.mp3

Is there ANYONE here who believes in God and dosent agree with any of the words in this verse?
 
If I was Christian I'd probably subscribe to all those words.
 
TheStudent said:
The Opening

( i seek refuge with God from the accursed satan )
1. In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.  
2. All the praises and thanks be to God, the Lord of all that exists.
3. The Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.  
4. The Only King and Judge of the Day of Resurrection
5. You (Alone) we worship, and You (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything).  
6. Guide us to the Straight Way.
7. The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger , nor of those who went astray

this is a translation of the meaning of the first verse of The Quran. It is seen as the MOST important verse of all 114 verses in the Quran. This verse is the CORNERSTONE of Islam and is repeated multiple times each and every time we pray.

listen to it in arabic:
http://quran.islamway.com/basfarmujaw/001.mp3

Is there ANYONE here who believes in God and dosent agree with any of the words in this verse?
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And what about the rest where Muhammad tell his follower to kill jews and christians? and anyone who convert
shalom and love in name of YESHUA
 
and where does it say that??
if you had actually studied the Quran you will find that any mention of violence is 99% of the time attributed to situations of war and self defence. show me a verse where it specifally says to kill a jew or christian in other than a situation of war! you must remember that the Quran is a biography of Muhammeds life and EVERY verse has a clear, logical explanation.
the Quran speaks clearly about our relationship with jews and christians. they are given the respectful title of 'people of the Book'. yes the Quran says we should not take them as 'allies' but this is only because the majoroity have a distrust and dislike of muslims. this is still evident today, you just have to read some of the things on this forum to see that.

READ:

"Strongest among men in enmity to the believers (Muslims) wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, 'We are Christians': because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant. (The Noble Quran, 5:82)"

"Say: 'O People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians)! Come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.' If then they turn back, say ye: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).' (The Noble Quran, 3:64)"


remember that arabic speaking christians and jews called God 'Allah' long before the dawn of Muhammed.

BUT HEY!! this post is about the most important verse in the Quran. Do you agree with it or not?
 
TheStudent said:
and where does it say that??
if you had actually studied the Quran you will find that any mention of violence is 99% of the time attributed to situations of war and self defence. show me a verse where it specifally says to kill a jew or christian in other than a situation of war! you must remember that the Quran is a biography of Muhammeds life and EVERY verse has a clear, logical explanation.
the Quran speaks clearly about our relationship with jews and christians. they are given the respectful title of 'people of the Book'. yes the Quran says we should not take them as 'allies' but this is only because the majoroity have a distrust and dislike of muslims. this is still evident today, you just have to read some of the things on this forum to see that.

READ:

"Strongest among men in enmity to the believers (Muslims) wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, 'We are Christians': because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant. (The Noble Quran, 5:82)"

"Say: 'O People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians)! Come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.' If then they turn back, say ye: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).' (The Noble Quran, 3:64)"


remember that arabic speaking christians and jews called God 'Allah' long before the dawn of Muhammed.

BUT HEY!! this post is about the most important verse in the Quran. Do you agree with it or not?
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No way did Jews call GOD allah that is not true and thats a fact why do you deceive people in this way and yourself as well?
And why would the Christians all of a sudden call JESUS for allah or Elohim for allah don't do this we know better for your own sake stop this before its to late your mocking GOD by your false claim that both the Jews and Christians called GOD by the name of a moon-god which they were commanded not to do.
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA Ben YHWH, not ben allah
 
Quran: The Only King and Judge of the Day of Resurrection

Bible: We will all stand before the judgement seat of Christ and hear His proclamation of our eternal destiny.

John said:
Revelation 20:11-15 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
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Will your name be in the book of life when Jesus judges you?

Remember, Jesus said many will call "Lord, Lord" but Jesus will say that He did not know you. Do you know Jesus personally?

Paul reminds us: Jesus Christ will be the Judge.
2 Timothy 4:1 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead...

Peter says that Jesus Christ "is the one ordained by God to be the Judge of the living and the dead" (Acts 10:42)

Jesus reminds us Matthew 25:31-33 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left."

Are you one of Jesus' sheep or are you a goat, destined for hell?

:-? :-?



:sad
 
Gary_Bee said:
Quran: The Only King and Judge of the Day of Resurrection

Bible: We will all stand before the judgement seat of Christ and hear His proclamation of our eternal destiny.

John said:
Revelation 20:11-15 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Click to expand...

Will your name be in the book of life when Jesus judges you?

Remember, Jesus said many will call "Lord, Lord" but Jesus will say that He did not know you. Do you know Jesus personally?

Paul reminds us: Jesus Christ will be the Judge.
2 Timothy 4:1 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead...

Peter says that Jesus Christ "is the one ordained by God to be the Judge of the living and the dead" (Acts 10:42)

Jesus reminds us Matthew 25:31-33 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left."

Are you one of Jesus' sheep or are you a goat, destined for hell?

:-? :-?



:sad
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As usual here the OP was on a different Issue,but they are all evading the issue and changing the subject here.Straight away even one came out with But what about Mohamed.The Issue here is not about Mohamed thet you love to slander so much.The issue is do you subscribe to this message of the one GOD like you all other prophets did. Just as the Forefathers who when the Messengers came to them with the clear proofs they questioned with ifs , buts and may bes.
Some would even answer with verse verses of the bible which are totally irreleveant, to sidetrack the Issue away from the true to teachings of Jesus.Pure Monotheism. So why not stop eveding the issue and lets get to the point here.Pure montheism.
peace
 
Wrong again. I did not slander Muhammad. IF what I say about Muhammad is FACT, then it is NOT slander. Read what I wrote. I did not even mention Muhammad!

However, you asked if Christians accepted the opening surah of the Quran. I showed you why we reject it.

We reject the opening surah of the Quran because it goes against Jesus' own words.

Read Jesus' words again:
Matthew said:
Jesus reminds us Matthew 25:31-33 "When the Son of Man (Jesus) comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left."
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So again I ask.... Do you know Jesus personally? Yes or No? Are you one of Jesus' sheep or are you a goat destined for hell?

:wink: :wink:
 
could i ask, exactly which line, word, phrase do you not agree with?
 
YESHUA said:
TheStudent said:
and where does it say that??
if you had actually studied the Quran you will find that any mention of violence is 99% of the time attributed to situations of war and self defence. show me a verse where it specifally says to kill a jew or christian in other than a situation of war! you must remember that the Quran is a biography of Muhammeds life and EVERY verse has a clear, logical explanation.
the Quran speaks clearly about our relationship with jews and christians. they are given the respectful title of 'people of the Book'. yes the Quran says we should not take them as 'allies' but this is only because the majoroity have a distrust and dislike of muslims. this is still evident today, you just have to read some of the things on this forum to see that.

READ:

"Strongest among men in enmity to the believers (Muslims) wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, 'We are Christians': because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant. (The Noble Quran, 5:82)"

"Say: 'O People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians)! Come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.' If then they turn back, say ye: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).' (The Noble Quran, 3:64)"


remember that arabic speaking christians and jews called God 'Allah' long before the dawn of Muhammed.

BUT HEY!! this post is about the most important verse in the Quran. Do you agree with it or not?
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NO I do not agree with you on anything at all I do not agree with your book your doctrine and I will give you the most important verse in the BIBLE personal I can't wait for this to happen Oh boy what a day what a day even you my dear friend will have to submit to YESHUA not out of your free will but because you have no other choice but to do so.
You better start practices now.

Philippians 2

4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
even above Muhammad.
Wake up my muslims friend and realize that Islam is a hoax.
 
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