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The Origins of Vegetarianism

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Biblereader

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St. Augustine, before Catholicisim, became a Manichaean. Manichaeism was a
dualist religion, it said God created everything spiritual, and Satan created
everything material.

Manichaeism emerged from Persian empire, has elements of Hinduism.
Good and evil are equally powerful. Matter, all you see, was created by Satan.
Spirit and spiritual world created by God.

In Manic. cosmology, particles of good have been trapped, here in the
material, evil world, and, the way to liberate
the good trapped in the evil material world, is through VEGETARIANISM,
and ascetism. :crazyeyes:
 
If a person does not want to eat meat how does that hurt you? Who cares!
 
biblecatholic said:
Adam and Eve didn't eat meat before sin entered the world.

they would have been the first even if only for a time
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I Agree.
 
biblecatholic said:
Adam and Eve didn't eat meat before sin entered the world.

they would have been the first even if only for a time
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Ah, an adult to talk to.

Biblecatholic, tell me, in the Scriptures, where it says Adam and Eve didn't eat meat.
Very curious.
 
Vegetarianism is not what a Christian needs to do.

Jesus said anything can be eaten, if you thank God for it, before hand.

Of course, if you eat meat, there can't be uncooked blood in it.

9: Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
 
I like my meat well done anyway.
All through the OT the high priests were to eat the meat of sacrifice cooked as per God's law. And of course there's the Passover consisting of lamb. I'm not sure but I believe there was to be nothing left by morning. Nothing of the passover lamb could be saved as leftovers.
I like things like this. Here's an example of God protecting his people by commanding them to cook their meat. He also commanded the hands to be washed and as well as their eating utensils. They knew nothing of bacteria in general or parasites in meat. Yet, God's law protected them from such things.
 
I eat well done meat, too, for biblical and health reasons.

If you read all those laws, in Deuteronomy, Leviticus, etc., and, IF we lived by them, we'd have a very healthy life.
We were told not to eat fat, or liver, or organ meats, either,in the Old Testament.

Or, bottom feeders, like catfish (no scales), snails, or birds that ate carrion.
Makes HUGE sense!!
 
Biblereader said:
MISFIT said:
If a person does not want to eat meat how does that hurt you? Who cares!
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Hello Misfit, having a good day?
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Always until I read one of your posts. You never cease to surprise me at the people you wont allow in heaven, now even veg heads! WOW! If you recall Peters vision in the bock of acts, we are allowed to eat what we want and avoid what we don't. BTW I like my meat bloody, and I love catfish and organ meat. I could teach you some great Mexican recipes using cow's tongue and others using cows stomach, but something tells me your not into that.
:-D 8-)
 
:-?
Right under the nose of a mod is not a sensible place to have a personal confrontation.
Does THAT make any sense?
 
Biblereader said:
biblecatholic said:
Adam and Eve didn't eat meat before sin entered the world.

they would have been the first even if only for a time
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Ah, an adult to talk to.

Biblecatholic, tell me, in the Scriptures, where it says Adam and Eve didn't eat meat.
Very curious.
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I've only seen it said that Adam and Eve- and animals ate plants only(but I could be mistaken, I haven't really studied this)
Genesis 1:29-31
29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. 30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for foodâ€Â; and it was so. 31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


From my understanding the killing of even animals did not happen till after the fall



Now that being said- I am a Meatetarian :lol:....... I think it's ok for someone to not like to eat meat as long as they do not worship animals
 
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Let's just know from the get go that I eat meat...

However, we must also be reasonable as to what the bible says instead of going 'caveman' to justify what the bible doesn't say.

Meat eating didn't occur until after the flood. The bible was clear on our initial diet.

"And God said, behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth and every tree in the which is the fruit of a tree yeilding seed. To you it shall be for food. Genesis 1:29"


Once meat was introduced, God said what meat was clean to eat and unclean to eat (and before some of you scream 'Mosaic law, Levitical ordinances) look closely at the fact that even in Noah's time the animals were deemed 'clean' or 'unclean' (Genesis 7:2). Long before there were Levitical laws or Jews.

Peter's vision wasn't about clean or unclean meats and he KNEW the laws of God for health. The vision was metaphorical to use what he knew to emphasis not to discriminate against the Gentiles. God seemingly went against all Peter believed to be true to hit the point home even harder by turning it on its end about his views of the Gentiles.

God does know what is good and not good. He tells us the healthy way to eat.

There is nothing wrong with vegetarianism and it IS the healthy way to eat. We just don't have to be dogmatic about it.
 
johnmuise said:
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Speaking of eating meat...
Can you find the one where the cows are eating a steak and commenting on how 'we taste like chicken'?

"The Far Side" was such a hoot. A shame that it and "Calvin and Hobbes" went out of circulation.
 
guibox said:
johnmuise said:
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Speaking of eating meat...
Can you find the one where the cows are eating a steak and commenting on how 'we taste like chicken'?

"The Far Side" was such a hoot. A shame that it and "Calvin and Hobbes" went out of circulation.
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I can find it in the gallery but not online sorry.
 
biblecatholic and guibox are correct. God told them in the Garden what they could eat. Eating meat wasn't even in the equation.

The command was finally given here:

Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
Gen 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

I included vs. 4 because it is an important verse for "other" discussions as well. 8-)
 
Eating meat is fine, the reason for the post was to show people who might be advocating vegetarianism, that they might do well to examine the roots of their practice.

If more people, before they took a spiritual or lifestyle step, examined the roots of the organization, or history of their thing they want to do, they'd probably NOT do it.

For example, I'm guessing a lot of people don't know where planned parenthood came from.
But, people don't get up and protest planned parenthood.
 
Biblereader said:
... For example, I'm guessing a lot of people don't know where planned parenthood came from.

But, people don't get up and protest planned parenthood.
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We don't condone PP at all, but provide a more Christian "solution". 8-)

http://www.solutionsphc.com/

About PP... if you're thinking Margaret Sanger, you're wrong. ;-)
 
vic C. said:
Biblereader said:
... For example, I'm guessing a lot of people don't know where planned parenthood came from.

But, people don't get up and protest planned parenthood.
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We don't condone PP at all, but provide a more Christian "solution". 8-)

http://www.solutionsphc.com/

About PP... if you're thinking Margaret Sanger, you're wrong. ;-)
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Oh, come ON! Margaret Sanger, an advocate of eugenics, blended herself in well with
PP.
Planned parenthood is another way of saying abortion, or "we don't respect God's plan for having
a child born into the world, too inconvenient."
http://www.abortionfacts.com/statistics/age.asp
 
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