The Perverted Gospel!

[donadams]

What any pope ever said is irrelevant. The Pope is a man made contraption.

#252 #253 not what Christ said

 

[donadams]

No. You are twisting Scripture again. There have been Popes who have done TERRIBLE things! thank you. https://www.historyskills.com/classroom/ancient-history/worst-popes/

God always establishes peace and order in His kingdom by obedience to the fathers!

they are in authority but still human and never impeccable

was david or moses perfect?

 

[donadams]

No. You are twisting Scripture again. There have been Popes who have done TERRIBLE things! thank you. https://www.historyskills.com/classroom/ancient-history/worst-popes/

since there not impeccable we don't have to hear them!

Christ says otherwise

Jn 13:20

20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

 

[donadams]

No. You are twisting Scripture again. There have been Popes who have done TERRIBLE things! thank you. https://www.historyskills.com/classroom/ancient-history/worst-popes/

what's heb 13:7-17 say?

 

[donadams]

Luke 10 16.. that sets up Jesus's authority not independent authority of the Apostles. The Apostles have authority only as they teach what Jesus says. And! This is not unique to the apostles. Anyone who preaches the Gospel has authority, not because of themselves but because of the authority of the Gospel itself..

Again John 13 20 applies to Jesus's authority displayed in anyone He sends, which is true of the Apostles but not unique to them. And that authority is not of the people He sends it is the authority of the gospel.
And so on.....

Christ and His church are one inseparable unity!
Mt 28:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 20:21-23 acts 9:4 Eph 5:24 eph 5:32
This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

 

[onlysaved]

Christ and His church are one inseparable unity!
Mt 28:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 20:21-23 acts 9:4 Eph 5:24 eph 5:32
This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Inseparable in a completely different context from priestly authority. The church is all individual believers not one unified entity. Christ is our one and only head of the church.

 

[donadams]

Inseparable in a completely different context from priestly authority. The church is all individual believers not one unified entity. Christ is our one and only head of the church.

spiritual anarchy!

Christ ascended to heaven who did he appoint to teach, sanctify and Govern the church?

 

[donadams]

Inseparable in a completely different context from priestly authority. The church is all individual believers not one unified entity. Christ is our one and only head of the church.

High priest implies low priests under His authority in hierarchy

king implies ministers under a prime minister

 

[onlysaved]

spiritual anarchy!

Christ ascended to heaven who did he appoint to teach, sanctify and Govern the church?

No one. He still overseas the church through the Holy Spirit. If one is in the Church they are under God's authority as they should be in their lives. If one attends a church. Small c, they put themselves under the leaders of that church or in some cases that denomination.
The idea that God set one person as head of the Body of Christ is false and found nowhere in scripture either by word or example.
For instance James, leader of the church in Jerusalem had no authority over the ministry of Paul.

Infallible single leader of the church is absolutely unscriptural
Infallible? Nope.. not even Peter.
When Cephas (Peter)came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.

14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?

More than one leader of the church in Jerusalem, not just Peter.

As for those who were held in high esteem—whatever they were makes no difference to me; God does not show favoritism—they added nothing to my message. 7 On the contrary, they recognized that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the uncircumcised,[a] just as Peter had been to the circumcised. 8 For God, who was at work in Peter as an apostle to the circumcised, was also at work in me as an apostle to the Gentiles. 9 James, Cephas[c] and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised.

 

[onlysaved]

High priest implies low priests under His authority in hierarchy

king implies ministers under a prime minister

There are no more high or low priests. There is only christ.

James gave us this exhortation.

"Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working."
Not to a priest or a high priest but to one another.

 

[Fish153]

what's heb 13:7-17 say?

"Have confidence in your leaders and submit to their authority, because they keep watch over you as those who must give an account". (Heb.13:17)

We "submit" to leaders because they "watch over you". They are shepherds. This is no way stating that we put our lives into their hands--or let them rule our lives. And we would NEVER consider any of them as INFALLIBLE. They are just men. See what Peter tells these leaders we are to "submit to":

"To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder and a witness of Christ’s sufferings who also will share in the glory to be revealed: Be shepherds of God’s flock that is under your care, watching over them—not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not pursuing dishonest gain, but eager to serve; NOT LORDING IT OVER those entrusted to you, but BEING EXAMPLES to the flock". (1 Peter 5: 1-3)

 

[donadams]

No one. He still overseas the church through the Holy Spirit. If one is in the Church they are under God's authority as they should be in their lives. If one attends a church. Small c, they put themselves under the leaders of that church or in some cases that denomination.
The idea that God set one person as head of the Body of Christ is false and found nowhere in scripture either by word or example.
For instance James, leader of the church in Jerusalem had no authority over the ministry of Paul.

Infallible single leader of the church is absolutely unscriptural
Infallible? Nope.. not even Peter.
When Cephas (Peter)came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.

14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?

More than one leader of the church in Jerusalem, not just Peter.

As for those who were held in high esteem—whatever they were makes no difference to me; God does not show favoritism—they added nothing to my message. 7 On the contrary, they recognized that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the uncircumcised,[a] just as Peter had been to the circumcised. 8 For God, who was at work in Peter as an apostle to the circumcised, was also at work in me as an apostle to the Gentiles. 9 James, Cephas[c] and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised.

then explain matt 16:18-19 Matt 17:24-27 Jn 21:15-17
acts 15:7

 

[onlysaved]

then explain matt 16:18-19 Matt 17:24-27 Jn 21:15-17
acts 15:7

Done already you just choose not to believe.
You are Peter and your confession that I am the Christ, the Son of God is the rock on which I build my church.
And this is what is consistent with all of Scripture. We know Christ is the one and only head of the church.