The Pharisaic Messiah

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Teachings of Yahshua in blue, Talmudic teachings of the Pharisees in red.

The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. - Mark 2:27

Rabbi Jonathan ben Joseph said: For it is holy unto you; I.e., it [the Sabbath] is committed to your hands, not you to its hands. - Talmud: Yoma 85b

Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. - Matthew 25:45

One who betrays his fellow, it is as if he has betrayed God. - Tosefta Sh'vuot, ch. 3

Insulting someone is like murder.- Matthew 5:21-22

He who publicly shames his neighbour is as though he shed blood.- Talmud: Bava Mezia 58b

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. - Matthew 5:28

One who gazes lustfully upon the small finger of a married woman, it is as if he has committed adultery with her.- Kallah, Ch. 1

That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. - Matthew 5:45

Rabbi Abbahu said: The day when rain fails is greater than [the day of] the Revival of the Dead,for the Revival of the Dead is for the righteous only whereas rain is both for the righteous and for the wicked - Talmud: Taanit 7a

Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. - Matthew 6:1

In the case of the recital of the Shema’, since everybody else recites, and he also recites, it does not look like showing off on his part; but in the case of the month of Ab, since everybody else does work and he does no work, it looks like showing off.- Talmud: Berachot 17b

But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth. - Matthew 6:3

What kind of charity is that which delivers a man from an unnatural death? When a man gives without knowing to whom he gives. and the beggar receives without knowing from whom he receives. - Talmud: Bava Batra 10a - 10b

But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.- Matthew 6:7

If one draws out his prayer and expects therefore its fulfilment, he will in the end suffer vexation of heart, as it says, Hope deferred maketh the heart sick. - Talmud: Berachot 55a

Do not worry about where your food will come from tomorrow, or your drink. - Matthew 6:25-31

Rabbi Eliezer the Great declares: Whoever has a piece of bread in his basket and Says. ‘What shall I eat tomorrow?’ belongs only to them who are little in faith. - Talmud: Sotah 48b

Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof. - Matthew 6:34

A parable: [They were] like a man who was kept in prison and people told him: To-morrow, they will release you from the prison and give you plenty of money. And he answered them: I pray of you, let me go free today and I shall ask nothing more! - Talmud: Berachot 9b

Let your Yes be Yes and your No be No. - Matthew 5:34-37

A righteous yes is a Yes; a righteous no is No. - Talmud: Bava Batra 49b

At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. - Matthew 11:25

Rabbi Johanan said: Since the Temple was destroyed, prophecy has been taken from prophets and given to fools and children. - Talmud: Bava Batra 12b

And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. - Matthew 5:29-30

Come and hear what was taught: Rabbi Tarfon said, ‘If his hand touched the membrum let his hand be cut off upon his belly’. ‘But’, they said to him, ‘would not his belly be split’? ‘It is preferable’, he replied, ‘that his belly shall be split rather than that he should go down into the pit of destruction’. - Talmud: Niddah 13b

But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. - Matthew 23:8

Shemaiah used to say: love work, hate acting the superior, and do not bring thyself to the knowledge of the ruling authority. - Mishnah: Avot 1:10

Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. - Matthew 24:44

Even as R. Zera, who, whenever he chanced upon scholars engaged thereon [I.e., in calculating the time of the Messiah's coming], would say to them: I beg of you, do not postpone it, for it has been taught: Three come unawares: Messiah, a found article and a scorpion. - Talmud: Sanhedrin 97a

Yeshua taught in a parable that they can please the king (God) by pleasing one another. - Matthew 25:40

And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. - Matthew 25:40

Rabbi simeon said: if three have eaten at one table and have not spoken thereat words of torah, [it is] as if they had eaten sacrifices [offered] to the dead, for [of such persons] it is said, for all tables are full of filthy vomit, [they are] without the All-Present. But, if three have eaten at one table, and have spoken thereat words of torah, [it is] as if they had eaten at the table of the All-Present, blessed be he, as it is said, this is the table before the LORD. - Mishnah: Avot 3:3

Love your enemy. - Matthew 5:43

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; - Matthew 5:43

They who are insulted but insult not back; who hear themselves reproached but answer not; who serve out of love and rejoice in their affliction--of them it is written in Scripture: They that love God are as the going forth of the sun in its might. - Talmud: Yoma 23a, Gitin 36b, Shabat 88b

Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath aught against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. - Matthew 5:23-24

If a man said, "I will sin and repent, and sin again and repent", he will be given no chance to repent. [If he said,] "I will sin and the Day of Atonement will effect atonement", then the Day of Atonement effects no atonement. For transgressions that are between man and God the Day of Atonement effects atonement, but for transgressions that are between a man and his fellow the Day of Atonement effects atonement only if he has appeased his fellow - Mishnah: Yoma 8:9


http://www.yashanet.com/library/law_1.htm

So why were there so many encounters with them? They didn't do as they taught.

Matthew 23:1 Then spake יהושׁע to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Matthew 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Matthew 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

 

[Relic]

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Since most Christians are so used to seeing the words of Jesus depicted in Red (as in the red letter bible) , it was right from the start a difficult adjustment for me to make in reading your posts here. Also, most Christians, sad to say, not excluding myself, are not familiar with the Hebrew names of the books in the Old testament. So that makes for difficult study translation.

I have difficulty just settling into this study for those reasons. :-?

Yikes, Now I have to rebuke satan, and tell him to get behind me! so I can concentrate without that distraction. :P



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[wavy]

Ah, so it worked :-D

I did that on purpose. I hate bibles that put Messiah's words in red but the Father's words are plain just like the rest of the scripture (which is a terrible error imo).

So I say neither or highlight both in some way (I do it in italics). I don't get why people don't see the problem with passing right over the Father's (who Yahshua gave all the glory to) words in plain text but yet the Messiah's is red.

That boggles my mind and troubles me.

 

[Relic]

Ah, so it worked :-D

I did that on purpose. I hate bibles that put Messiah's words in red but the Father's words are plain just like the rest of the scripture (which is a terrible error imo).

So I say neither or highlight both in some way (I do it in italics). I don't get why people don't see the problem with passing right over the Father's (who Yahshua gave all the glory to) words in plain text but yet the Messiah's is red.

That boggles my mind and troubles me.

yes, I agree, I think the Fathers words in the Old Testament should also be in red.

And One of these days, I am going to do a study that includes the highlighting of all the Words in the Old Testament of The God the Father. It will be in a brand new bible just for this purpose.

Besides, if I highlighted and underlined in any of my other bibles anymore they won't be recognizable.

I would then have to read "between" the lines! :wink: :


However, I will print your post out in all one color so that I can study it. and see if I can figure out which books you are referring that are shown here with the Hebrew title.

I have a list somewhere in my pile of notes that shows which books are which, and I know I got it off of the internet, but now I have to google all over again to find it. :-?


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[Vic C.]

Which came first, the teachings of Jesus, whom some Jews claim to be the first of the Jewish reformers, or the Talmud?

 

[Imagican]

Wavy, Wavy, Wavy.

I sincerely hope that what you posted above is not an endorsement of Talmud. If so, why didn't you add their teaching of one named Jesus?

Talmud is almost a complete destruction of Mosaic law in favor of 'man's laws'. The elimination of Jubilee. Cooking instruction NEVER offered by God. Cleaning of utensils, washing of hands, etc, etc, etc,................ Talmud was what caused the changes in the attitudes of the Jews that Christ warned about.

And please, if you insist on denying what I've stated, I offer anyone interested to do a little research in the Talmud. It's teachings are as racist and subversive as Islam.

I suppose next we will be subjected to quotes from the Cabal.

 

[Imagican]

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Since most Christians are so used to seeing the words of Jesus depicted in Red (as in the red letter bible) , it was right from the start a difficult adjustment for me to make in reading your posts here. Also, most Christians, sad to say, not excluding myself, are not familiar with the Hebrew names of the books in the Old testament. So that makes for difficult study translation.

I have difficulty just settling into this study for those reasons. :-?

Yikes, Now I have to rebuke satan, and tell him to get behind me! so I can concentrate without that distraction. :P



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The Talmud is NOT from ANY Bible. It is a mishmashed collection of the writtings of Rabis 'supposedly' inspired by God. If one reads just a bit of it, they will soon find that it's filled with puffed up statements to give the Jews that listened to it a 'superior' attitude towards the rest of the world.

 

[D46]

I did that on purpose. I hate bibles that put Messiah's words in red but the Father's words are plain just like the rest of the scripture (which is a terrible error imo).

What difference does it make? They're one and the same. You can always highlight in yellow the words of God in the OT if it makes you feel better. :roll: You can do a Goggle search for Baker Publishing Co. or Amazon as they both sell Cambridge bibles with or without Christs' words in red.

John 8:24 (KJV) I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

 

[Relic]

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Since most Christians are so used to seeing the words of Jesus depicted in Red (as in the red letter bible) , it was right from the start a difficult adjustment for me to make in reading your posts here. Also, most Christians, sad to say, not excluding myself, are not familiar with the Hebrew names of the books in the Old testament. So that makes for difficult study translation.

I have difficulty just settling into this study for those reasons. :-?

Yikes, Now I have to rebuke satan, and tell him to get behind me! so I can concentrate without that distraction. :P



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The Talmud is NOT from ANY Bible. It is a mishmashed collection of the writings of Rabbis 'supposedly' inspired by God. If one reads just a bit of it, they will soon find that it's filled with puffed up statements to give the Jews that listened to it a 'superior' attitude towards the rest of the world.

Well, I don't know what wavy is motivated to present here. I haven't read much of his posts. And, I am not so familiar with the Talmud. I didn't know it was just a commentary and not the Words that are from the Torah. I don't even know how many books some Jewish folks use besides the

Torah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah

the Mishnah
The work consists of fourteen books, which subdivide into sections, chapters and paragraphs. To this day it is the only work that details all of Jewish observance, including those laws which are only applicable when the Holy Temple is in place.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mishneh_Torah

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the Talmud
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud


I did a search on the Talmud and some other books, today.
Yeah, it does appear the Talmud is a book of commentary of Rabbis'.

There are so many branches of the Jewish religion as there are the Christians :-?

Something new to learn all the time, aye? :roll:

We must all use care and learn how to decern the spirits.


I don't know much about the many publishing of the Jews.
But I am gradually learning.

I am interested in learning about the practices and beliefs of the Messianic Jews.

Since they accept Christ Jesus as the Messiah, I wonder if they are in line with Christ's teachings or if they are holding onto too much of those things which we need not any longer.

Oy, So much to learn. :-?

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[wavy]

Which came first, the teachings of Jesus, whom some Jews claim to be the first of the Jewish reformers, or the Talmud?

Both, in a way. There was oral before there was written.

 

[wavy]

I sincerely hope that what you posted above is not an endorsement of Talmud.

No. Insightful at some points as far as I've seen, but never recommended for doctrine. This was given as proof of the Hebraic roots and contexts of many of Messiah's teachings. They are not new "Christian" institutions.

 

[wavy]

What difference does it make? They're one and the same. You can always highlight in yellow the words of God in the OT if it makes you feel better. :roll:

I don't think you got the point and see no reason for such an attitude...

 

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I am interested in learning about the practices and beliefs of the Messianic Jews.

Since they accept Christ Jesus as the Messiah, I wonder if they are in line with Christ's teachings or if they are holding onto too much of those things which we need not any longer.

This depends upon what Messiah really taught and what things are those things "we need not any longer".