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The Reality of End Time Bible Prophecy

What do you think the people that began building the tower of Babel had been listening to? How did that work out for them?

The 1 Corinthians 14:33 verse is about not allowing the confusion of many different speakers with different languages to get up and speak during Church service. That would be 'confusion'. The 'type' of confusion I'm talking about is about Satan's deceptions.

You guys do realize there are different definitions for the word 'confusion', right?
I guess if you assume Satan has dominion over the earth; but I'm pretty sure in Genesis God gave dominion to "man". If Satan does not have dominion over the earth; then he has no power to "do" anything.

Deceptions on this earth belong to man; and it is men who do confuse and mislead others. God does not direct men to cause this confusion; and trying to attribute all the nonsense on this earth to "one supreme being named Satan" just doesn't make sense. 100,000 corrupt politicians who serve only themselves (for wealth and power) can not be blamed on "Satan"; that is individual men (and women) who twist and turn everything so the "common people" never understand the truth of anything.

People must take responsibility for themselves in all things; to say "Satan deceived me, or Satan's host mislead me" is just a way to avoid responsibility for ones self. Just as in the various prophecy in the Bible about what is going on now; accepting anything any other person says is a "choice"; but if that turns out to be a bad choice it is still the individual who must suffer the consequences.

As for "different definitions"; I'm sorry but that again comes down to individual choice, if a person wants to "make a word mean anything else".

 
I guess if you assume Satan has dominion over the earth; but I'm pretty sure in Genesis God gave dominion to "man". If Satan does not have dominion over the earth; then he has no power to "do" anything.
Have you not read Luke 4 when Christ was tempted by Satan, and showed Jesus all the kingdoms of this world, and offered them to Jesus? Have you not read John 18:36 where Jesus said His Kingdom is not of this world? (meaning this present world time).

Eventually in your Bible studies, you want to learn about what happened in the previous world that caused God to bring this 2nd world earth age of today which is in a state of bondage to corruption (see Romans 8:18-25). This was caused by the very first sin, which happened even before Adam and Eve. The first sin was by Lucifer in the old world before this present world of today. Lucifer fell by coveting God's throne for himself, of which it was originally Lucifer's job to guard (see 1 John 3:8; Ezekiel 28 about the "king of Tyrus", a title God uses to point to Lucifer, and Hebrews 2:14 of what Jesus came to do).

In the world to come, after Lord Jesus' future return, and reign, then God is going to bring the 3rd world earth age, the new heavens and a new earth. Revelation reveals in that time there will be no more 'death', no more sin. Many thus think this present world is a perfect creation by God when it is actually not, but is an imperfect one which God placed the earth in because of Lucifer's rebellion. And like Apostle Paul showed in Romans 8, the creation seeks a release from the bondage of corruption it has been in for this present world time, along with the future manifestation of the sons of God.

I know that may sound deep, but it is an understanding that all Christian brethren should eventually come to understand in God's written Word.
 
Have you not read Luke 4 when Christ was tempted by Satan, and showed Jesus all the kingdoms of this world, and offered them to Jesus? Have you not read John 18:36 where Jesus said His Kingdom is not of this world? (meaning this present world time).

Eventually in your Bible studies, you want to learn about what happened in the previous world that caused God to bring this 2nd world earth age of today which is in a state of bondage to corruption (see Romans 8:18-25). This was caused by the very first sin, which happened even before Adam and Eve. The first sin was by Lucifer in the old world before this present world of today. Lucifer fell by coveting God's throne for himself, of which it was originally Lucifer's job to guard (see 1 John 3:8; Ezekiel 28 about the "king of Tyrus", a title God uses to point to Lucifer, and Hebrews 2:14 of what Jesus came to do).

In the world to come, after Lord Jesus' future return, and reign, then God is going to bring the 3rd world earth age, the new heavens and a new earth. Revelation reveals in that time there will be no more 'death', no more sin. Many thus think this present world is a perfect creation by God when it is actually not, but is an imperfect one which God placed the earth in because of Lucifer's rebellion. And like Apostle Paul showed in Romans 8, the creation seeks a release from the bondage of corruption it has been in for this present world time, along with the future manifestation of the sons of God.

I know that may sound deep, but it is an understanding that all Christian brethren should eventually come to understand in God's written Word.
In Genesis 1:26-28 God did not mention Christ or Satan, but man.

I do agree with some of what you said; but there is a little more to it. Creation is a whole lot more than just a single planet with "common life". In the "unorthodox Christian belief's" thread I did post about the origin of mankind a while back; so I fully understand the Fallen Angel's, and I do hope all our Christian brethren will eventually accept the truth of that (for their own sake).

As for John 18:36

36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

I did highlight the word now; for at that time the Kingdom of Heaven was withheld from the Children on this earth. As for Satan "tempting" Christ did not entirely go down the way it is written; and I would point out there was not a great many "kingdoms of men" in that area at that time.
 
In Genesis 1:26-28 God did not mention Christ or Satan, but man.

I do agree with some of what you said; but there is a little more to it. Creation is a whole lot more than just a single planet with "common life". In the "unorthodox Christian belief's" thread I did post about the origin of mankind a while back; so I fully understand the Fallen Angel's, and I do hope all our Christian brethren will eventually accept the truth of that (for their own sake).

As for John 18:36

36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

I did highlight the word now; for at that time the Kingdom of Heaven was withheld from the Children on this earth. As for Satan "tempting" Christ did not entirely go down the way it is written; and I would point out there was not a great many "kingdoms of men" in that area at that time.

It's required to understand the Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14 Scripture first about Lucifer in a time when God said he created him 'perfect' in his ways, and that he served God at His Altar. And then he coveted God's throne for himself, even claiming to be God.

Then we are supposed to 'think' about that when reading the Genesis 3 Scripture of that old serpent tempting Eve. And that serpent we are told in Revelation 12:9 is just another title for Satan. So that was Satan already in his role as adversary working against God, when he tempted Eve.

That means we have to keep 'thinking' about that, because Satan already being in the role as adversary in God's Garden tempting Eve, means he had already rebelled against God in the previous world and fallen at some point PRIOR to Genesis 3.

But when did Satan first rebel against God? Because you are right, Satan's name is nowhere mentioned back in the Genesis 1 chapter.

And the Ezekiel 31 chapter is really amazing about the time of Lucifer in the old world when he was exalted. But God uses the titles of Pharaoh and the Assyrian there when He is actually giving events about Lucifer before he fell, and then after he fell. Those who do not understand how God uses parable will argue against that being a parable, but mostly because they have yet to understand the idea of parable or allegory in God's Word.

Sorry, but our Heavenly Father and His Son expect us to use our mind, and think within His Word, not just read it blindly. There is more than one level of understanding written in His Word, and the level dealing with parables is one that I find many brethren struggle with, and I include a lot of educated pastors in that struggling too.

Ezek 28:12-15
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation
upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, "Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

13
Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14
Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
KJV


The only flesh man that has been in God's Garden of Eden was the man Adam, definitely not that "king of Tyrus" which is a title from the historical flesh king of Tyre. And we definitely know also that no flesh man is a created heavenly anointed cherub that covereth, for that is about a heavenly created being, and in this case about Lucifer whom God created originally perfect in his ways to guard His throne. That's what Lucifer's original job was, to guard God's throne as a 'covering' cherub. If you've seen the movie Raiders of The Lost Ark, Lucifer was one of those covering cherub images shown on the lid of the ark of the covenant. That's what the idea of a covering cherub means.

So ask yourself, just WHEN was that, when Lucifer originally was created perfect in his ways, before he rebelled? Not in this present world that began at Genesis 1:6. But in that previous world when God first made His 'perfect' creation of Genesis 1:1, in the beginning.

Even though Genesis 1 is not mentioning Lucifer's original rebellion, it is covering that time in other ways, with other types of pointers. The "without form, and void" phrase is one of those pointers, because it does not mean the earth was created in a vacuum; in the Hebrew "without form, and void" actually means the earth became a waste and an undistinguishable ruin'. It was because of Lucifer's rebellion. God ended that old world, and then began this 2nd world earth age of today, starting at Genesis 1:6 thru 9.
 
If the Book of Ezekiel was the beginning, the Bible was written by men "guided by the holy spirit"; and the Bible is God's Word without flaw, then why doesn't that Book come first in the printing of the Bible? Did some "ordinary man" somewhere along the line get God's Testament mixed up?

There was "something" before this earth; and there will be "something" after. Satan could not have created the Tree of Knowledge, or a serpent to reside therein; unless you assume he was some kind of god equal to Our Heavenly Father, the One True God. If God had discovered anything inappropriate or dangerous in His Garden; being all powerful He could have removed it immediately without thought.

But in reading the Book of Genesis; you will discover that the Tree was given, and a serpent was allowed to "communicate" with Eve to tempt her. All this did serve God's purpose; and went according to His Plan. And what went before, Satan's uprising; did play a part in why God put us here on this earth, and His Plan of what to do with the lot of us.

Like a bunch of naughty Children, we have been sent to "our room" to learn how to play nice with each other, to learn how to respect one another, to learn how to love one another; and to seriously learn how to Obey Our Father when He doth speak.
 
If the Book of Ezekiel was the beginning, the Bible was written by men "guided by the holy spirit"; and the Bible is God's Word without flaw, then why doesn't that Book come first in the printing of the Bible? Did some "ordinary man" somewhere along the line get God's Testament mixed up?
Who said the Book of Ezekiel was written in the beginning? I didn't. Where did you get that idea?

There was "something" before this earth; and there will be "something" after. Satan could not have created the Tree of Knowledge, or a serpent to reside therein; unless you assume he was some kind of god equal to Our Heavenly Father, the One True God. If God had discovered anything inappropriate or dangerous in His Garden; being all powerful He could have removed it immediately without thought.
Of course The Father and The Son existed from Eternity, no beginning no end.

But this earth, and the universe has not existed forever. In Isaiah 45:18 God said He formed the earth not 'in vain' (i.e., same Hebrew word tohu translated to "without form" in Genesis 1:2), but that He created the earth to be inhabited, lived upon.

And when I recommend that the Bible student 'think' in God's Word with understanding, that does not mean go off on wild speculations with ideas which God's Word has nothing written about. God's written Word is not to be treated like secular philosophy.

So some of the deeper things I cover are actually matters that are written in God's Word. Even though they may not appear having come from written Scripture, parables, allegory, etc., that God uses in His Word, they can often cover a whole lot of ground. And once we understand them, they serve as anchor points in His Word that cannot be toyed with. Christ's parable of the tares of the field in Matthew 13 is one such example. The 'with child' metaphor in The Gospel that originates from the parable in Isaiah 54 is another example many struggle with.
 
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