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The Reformation

RND

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The Reformation...

had presented to the world an open Bible, unsealing the precepts of the law of God and urging its claims upon the consciences of the people. Infinite Love had unfolded to men the statutes and principles of heaven. God had said: "Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people." Deuteronomy 4:6. When France rejected the gift of heaven, she sowed the seeds of anarchy and ruin; and the inevitable outworking of cause and effect resulted in the Revolution and the Reign of Terror. {GC 230.3}

Long before the persecution excited by the placards, the bold and ardent Farel had been forced to flee from the land of his birth. He repaired to Switzerland, and by his labors, seconding the work of Zwingli, he helped to turn the scale in favor of the Reformation. His later years were to be spent here, yet he continued to exert a decided influence upon the reform in France. During the first years of his exile, his efforts were especially directed to spreading the gospel in his native country. He spent considerable time in preaching among his countrymen near the frontier, where with tireless vigilance he watched the conflict and aided by his words of encouragement and counsel. With the assistance of other exiles, the writings of the German Reformers were translated into the French language and, together with the French Bible, were printed in large quantities. By colporteurs these works were sold extensively in France. They were furnished to the colporteurs at a low price, and thus the profits of the work enabled them to continue it. {GC 231.1}

Farel entered upon his work in Switzerland in the humble guise of a schoolmaster. Repairing to a secluded parish, he devoted himself to the instruction of children. Besides the usual branches of learning, he cautiously introduced the truths of the Bible, hoping through the children to reach the parents. There were some who believed, but the priests came forward to stop the work, and the superstitious country people were roused to oppose it. "That cannot be the gospel of Christ," urged the priest, "seeing the preaching of it does not bring peace, but war."--Wylie, b. 14, ch. 3. Like the first disciples, when persecuted in one city he fled to another. From village to village, from city to city, he went, traveling on foot, enduring hunger, cold, and weariness, and everywhere in peril of his life. He preached in the market places, in the churches, sometimes in the pulpits of the cathedrals. Sometimes he found the church empty of hearers; at times his preaching was interrupted by shouts and jeers; again he was pulled violently out of the pulpit. More than once he was set upon by the rabble and beaten almost to death. Yet he pressed forward. Though often repulsed, with unwearying persistence he returned to the attack; and, one after another, he saw towns and cities which had been strongholds of popery, opening their gates to the gospel. The little parish where he had first labored soon accepted the reformed faith. The cities of Morat and Neuchatel also renounced the Romish rites and removed the idolatrous images from their churches. {GC 231.2}

I FEEL THESE STORIES ARE EXTREMELY INSPIRING!! REAL HEROES!
 
The Reformation gave birth to two sons.

One had red hair and loved to hunt. He was aware of his birthright, but valued it lightly.

The other son stayed around the camp and dreamed of acquiring the birhtright. The blessing that attended the birthright, he did not seek it willingly.

Joe
 
RND said:
The Reformation...

had presented to the world an open Bible, unsealing the precepts of the law of God and urging its claims upon the consciences of the people. Infinite Love had unfolded to men the statutes and principles of heaven. God had said: "Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people." Deuteronomy 4:6. When France rejected the gift of heaven, she sowed the seeds of anarchy and ruin; and the inevitable outworking of cause and effect resulted in the Revolution and the Reign of Terror. {GC 230.3}

Long before the persecution excited by the placards, the bold and ardent Farel had been forced to flee from the land of his birth. He repaired to Switzerland, and by his labors, seconding the work of Zwingli, he helped to turn the scale in favor of the Reformation. His later years were to be spent here, yet he continued to exert a decided influence upon the reform in France. During the first years of his exile, his efforts were especially directed to spreading the gospel in his native country. He spent considerable time in preaching among his countrymen near the frontier, where with tireless vigilance he watched the conflict and aided by his words of encouragement and counsel. With the assistance of other exiles, the writings of the German Reformers were translated into the French language and, together with the French Bible, were printed in large quantities. By colporteurs these works were sold extensively in France. They were furnished to the colporteurs at a low price, and thus the profits of the work enabled them to continue it. {GC 231.1}

Farel entered upon his work in Switzerland in the humble guise of a schoolmaster. Repairing to a secluded parish, he devoted himself to the instruction of children. Besides the usual branches of learning, he cautiously introduced the truths of the Bible, hoping through the children to reach the parents. There were some who believed, but the priests came forward to stop the work, and the superstitious country people were roused to oppose it. "That cannot be the gospel of Christ," urged the priest, "seeing the preaching of it does not bring peace, but war."--Wylie, b. 14, ch. 3. Like the first disciples, when persecuted in one city he fled to another. From village to village, from city to city, he went, traveling on foot, enduring hunger, cold, and weariness, and everywhere in peril of his life. He preached in the market places, in the churches, sometimes in the pulpits of the cathedrals. Sometimes he found the church empty of hearers; at times his preaching was interrupted by shouts and jeers; again he was pulled violently out of the pulpit. More than once he was set upon by the rabble and beaten almost to death. Yet he pressed forward. Though often repulsed, with unwearying persistence he returned to the attack; and, one after another, he saw towns and cities which had been strongholds of popery, opening their gates to the gospel. The little parish where he had first labored soon accepted the reformed faith. The cities of Morat and Neuchatel also renounced the Romish rites and removed the idolatrous images from their churches. {GC 231.2}

I FEEL THESE STORIES ARE EXTREMELY INSPIRING!! REAL HEROES!

I could post many "stories" of Catholics who overcame Protestant prosecution. What would be the point? Sensationalism and controversy? What does any of this have to do with "Apologetics and Theology"?
 
Many people forget about why the reformation was started. They also forget about the millions of God fearing Christians and Jews who lost their lives because they refused to recognized the pope as ruler...
 
Brother Lionel said:
Many people forget about why the reformation was started. They also forget about the millions of God fearing Christians and Jews who lost their lives because they refused to recognized the pope as ruler...

Sigh...Where does the Catholic Church teach that the pope is "ruler"? Please point to the person or persons who "lost their lives" because of this bogus claim?
 
The reformation was just that...a "better" institution. Luther was a catholic priest. He in turn persecuted the anabaptists. Protestant churches are like catholic lite. We see the same structures with both an improvement and devolution in doctrine. Neither church returns to the divine reality of being led exclusively by the Spirit.
 
dadof10 said:
Brother Lionel said:
Many people forget about why the reformation was started. They also forget about the millions of God fearing Christians and Jews who lost their lives because they refused to recognized the pope as ruler...

Sigh...Where does the Catholic Church teach that the pope is "ruler"? Please point to the person or persons who "lost their lives" because of this bogus claim?

Sure. Here you go:

“The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ, Himself, hidden under the veil of human flesh.† Catholic National, July 1895.

“The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.† Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, “Cities Petrus Bertanousâ€Â.

“We hold upon this earth the place of God almighty.† Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Letter, June 20, 1894.

“Even if the Pope were Satan incarnate, we ought not to raise up our heads against him, but calmly lie down to rest on his bosom. He who rebels against our Father is condemned to death, for that which we do to him we do to Christ: we honor Christ if we honor the Pope; we dishonor Christ if we dishonor the Pope. I know very well that many defend themselves by boasting: “They are so corrupt, and work all manner of evil!†But God has commanded that, even if the priests, the pastors, and Christ-on-earth were incarnate devils, we be obedient and subject to them, not for their sakes, but for the sake of God, and out of obedience to Him.† St. Catherine of Siena, SCS, p. 201-202, p. 222, (quoted in Apostolic Digest, by Michael Malone, Book 5: “The Book of Obedienceâ€Â, Chapter 1: “There is No Salvation Without Personal Submission to the Popeâ€Â).

And here are the many who lost their lives because of this "bogus claim" have you ever heard of the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre?? This is just a few of many...

Please look into it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Bartho ... y_massacre
 
Brother Lionel said:
dadof10 said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Bartho ... y_massacre[/url]

I read it. Could you please point me to where it says ANY of the St. Bart's massacre was due to the refusal of "God fearing Christians and Jews...to recognize the pope as ruler"?

Oh, that's right. it's a Wikipedia article. You could go into it and change it to whatever you want it to say. Just let me know when you get it edited and I'll click on the link and admit how right you are. :lol

Next time, please give CATHOLIC SOURCES from OFFICIAL CATHOLIC TEACHING. In short, treat others the way you want to be treated....There are a lot of bogus claims made against the SDA on the web, aren't there? Would you like to start a "bogus claim" thread? We could go back and forth throwing quotes around and solve....nothing, just like this foolishness does.
 
Brother Lionel said:
Many people forget about why the reformation was started. They also forget about the millions of God fearing Christians and Jews who lost their lives because they refused to recognized the pope as ruler...

Many "Christians" forgot about why God established a Church. They also forgot about the millions of God fearing Catholics who lost their lives because they refused to recognize usurpers as rulers....

This entire thread serves no purpose, since things can be re-worded to fit either side...
 
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