Bible Study The Sabbath Day

[JM]

Ok Jay T, I see the importance of Christians having a Sabbath day BUT...you knew this was coming, the Sabbath wasn't placed on Saturday until after Exodus 16.

Deuteronomy 5:15 and the new covenant Lord’s day
The change of the Sabbath from the seventh to the first day of the week is also clearly seen in comparing the old covenant sabbath and its relation to redemption from bondage in Egypt to the new covenant Lord’s day and redemption in Christ. God commanded, “Remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day†(Dt. 5:15). Every Sabbath, the Jews were to remember God’s grace, mercy and glorious work of redemption in bringing them out of Egypt, in addition to His work in creation.

The deliverance from Egypt was the great redemptive act of the Old Testament; it serves as the great type of the perfect redemption accomplished by Christ. Since the command to remember His redemption is not to Israel alone, but also applies to Christ’s church, Christians have the same responsibility to remember the Lord’s day. “The redemption from Egypt cannot be properly viewed except as the anticipation of the greater redemption wrought in the fullness of the time. Hence, if redemption from Egypt accorded sanction to the sabbath institution and provided reason for its observance, the same must apply to the greater redemption and apply in a way commensurate with the greater fullness and dimensions of redemption secured by the death and resurrection of Christ. In other words, it is the fullness and richness of the new covenant that so accord to the sabbath ordinance increased relevance, sanction, and blessing.†[52] If the type or shadow is significant enough in God’s eyes to warrant a special remembrance under the old covenant, then certainly the anti-type (the substance and the perfect redemption wrought by Christ, which encompasses the whole earth instead of one small nation) warrants the same special remembrance. Comparing the redemption from Egypt to redemption in Christ, Jonathan Edwards writes, “And it was but a shadow, the work in itself was nothing in comparison with the work of [Christ’s] redemption. What is a petty redemption of one nation from a temporal bondage, to the eternal salvation of the whole church, of the elect in all ages and nations, from eternal damnation, and the introduction of them, not into a temporal Canaan, but into heaven, into eternal glory and blessedness.†[53] Thus is it not fitting for the new covenant church to sanctify the first day, the day of total victory and perfect redemption for the elect of all nations and all times? “This is the rationale for regarding the Lord’s day as the Christian Sabbath. It follows the line of thought which the Old Testament itself prescribes for us when it appeals to redemption as the reason for sabbath observance. The principle enunciated in Deuteronomy 5:15 receives its verification and application in the new covenant in the memorial of finalized redemption, the Lord’s day.†[54] Those who cling to the old seventh-day sabbath fail to understand the principle set forth in Deuteronomy 5:15 as it applies to new covenant believers, and thus dishonor the Lord’s day.

We're closer to the same page Jay, I'm no sabbatrian and I still rightly divide the word but I see the importance of the Kingdom principles for Christian believers...

jason

 

[JM]

Chapter 22: Of Religious Worship and the Sabbath Day

8. The sabbath is then kept holy unto the Lord, when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering their common affairs aforehand, do not only observe an holy rest all day, from their own works, words and thoughts, about their worldly employment and recreations, but are also taken up the whole time in the public and private exercises of his worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.
( Isaiah 58:13; Nehemiah 13:15-22; Matthew 12:1-13 )

The above was taken from the London Baptist Confession of Faith, 1689.

peace

 

[guibox]

The problem here Jason, is the method of reducing the Sabbath merely to a Mosaic institution realized in Christ. The Sabbath was no such thing. The Sabbath was given long before any sort of covenant to the Jews.

The Sabbath's meaning is not found in someone keeping it, but in the day itself. We are firstly and ultimately called to worship on the Sabbath, not because we are His people, not because He saved us, not because He chose us as a special race, but because "God created all the works in the world and rested on the Sabbath and blessed, sanctified and made holy the seventh day'.

In other words, the Sabbath's meaning and importance is outside the scope of man. It was ordained by God to show completeness in His creative work. It follows a necessary pattern: a period of work followed by a recognition of that perfect completion. Hence the reason why it is the seventh day and not the first day. God 'blessed', 'sanctified' (set apart) and 'made holy' the seventh day. The seventh day Sabbath would still have existed even if man had not been part of creation.

Even more importance is placed on it in that God didn't command allegiance, but by a divine action (resting on it). By example, we find how important it is. (God rested on it and made it holy as an example, why wouldn't we?)

Making the first day of the week a Sabbath will not negate the importance of the seventh day as a creation ordinance LATER given in a convenantal form. This was not given because the Israelites were special in themselves, but because God called them out, what better command to present to them in a polytheistic society then the one which calls us to 'worship Him who created heaven and earth'.

The Sabbath was not a type pointing to Christ to be abolished at His realization (at least not in the same way as the sacrificial sytem). Rather the Sabbath takes on even greater meaning as the redemptive work of Christ gives us salvation rest. This does not negate the ordinance.

 

[JM]

Thanks for the response, but you'd have to prove that Saturday has always been the Sabbath for the Jews. We find in Exodus that it wasn't. :D God bless.

 

[Bob10]

http://intercontinentalcog.org/ICGCC/Lesson_Seven.shtml

 

[Jay T]

Thanks for the response, but you'd have to prove that Saturday has always been the Sabbath for the Jews. We find in Exodus that it wasn't. :D God bless.

The proof is Luke 23:54---Luke 24:2).
The 7th day Sabbath was the day before, Christ rose from the grave, on the first day of the week.
The Bible proves that, beyond shadow of doubt.

 

[Jay T]

Thanks for the response, but you'd have to prove that Saturday has always been the Sabbath for the Jews. We find in Exodus that it wasn't. :D God bless.

The proof is Luke 23:54---Luke 24:2).
The 7th day Sabbath was the day before, Christ rose from the grave, on the first day of the week.
The Bible proves that, beyond shadow of doubt.

If anyone accepts Sunday as the first day of the week, the day Jesus arose from the grave, then it is only logical that the day before Sunday is Saturday....does that make sense ?

 

[Elijah message]

I have heard all kinds of Jude's 'winds' in my lifetime, but let me add another 'good' twist from another site, where one is surely sincere!

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OK Sail, this is your belief right?
Read it through again and then drop on down for a couple Scripture quotes and thought's if you will? By the way, this quote of yours is the way that I see it also.

You say: At this time of Paul's ministry, God and Paul had already conversed, ch10, and the acknowledgment was given that all of Israel had heard, so in Romans, Paul was already looking towards the prison epistle teachings, but could say nothing. He loved his people, he desired to see the kingdom and Christ's return in his lifetime:

Act 28:20 For this cause therefore have I called for you, to see you, and to speak with you: because that for the hope of Israel I am bound with this chain.

Take note for later comment that Acts 28 was in A.D. 62, eight short years before the destruction of Jerusalem! You refer to Romans 11:18 & Colossians 1:23 in your above remarks I think? At least that is where it is recorded that the EVERLASTING GOSPEL had gone to the ends of the world. The latter verse is stated like this: "[IF YE CONTINUE IN THE FAITH] grounded and settled, and not be moved away from the hope of the Gospel, which ye [have heard, and which WAS PREACHED TO EVERY CREATURE WHICH IS UNDER HEAVEN;] whereof I Paul am made a minister."

Then comes Romans 10:17-20 we see the same thing being said nearly. Except we see Moses included in the behind the scene prophecy & Esaias even bringing in the "I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me'. (Gentiles for sure-not Israel)

But here is the thought: verse 10 states "But they have not all OBEYED THE GOSPEL" (Again, the ETERNAL GOSPEL IF I MAY! Revelation 14:6 & Hebrews 13:20) So these one are not only the ones past Paul.

Then we see Christ's Words of Matthew 24:14? Truth of fiction? Pay attention now: Christ stated an everlasting Gospel Truth here in Matt. 24:14. "And [THIS GOSPEL] of the kingdom shall be preached [in all the world for a *witness unto all nations; and THEN SHALL THE END COME.]" Did it?? And the Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 & Ecclesiastes 3:15 verses?? Well, it did come to Israel of old, huh? They were cut off shortly after the Master [DID] come! (Matthew 23:38, John 9:39-41, AND THE DOOR WAS SHUT! Matthew 25:10-12!

Now: Did Paul understand this??? It was Christ Himself that gave the Matthew 24:14 verse! Did he come as we to day understand it? Not hardly!! Most do not understand Matt. 24 period. (I did read your post, it sounds close at least-but what good is that we say, huh? :fadein

Surely Paul understood the Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15 verses that the prophecy REQUIRED A TWO TIME fulfillment! If he had not, not only would his church had been in a REAL BIND OF FALSE PROPHECY, but Paul would equally had been a false prophet! Yet, remember that these ones are not Israel in the bloodlines!

Another case in point: The women in the (what 'some' call the 4 Gospels) four Gospels. This EVERLASTING GOSPEL WAS STILL REQUIRED in all four, where the ones who followed Christ were still keeping His 7th Day Sabbath Commandment!

And not only that, but in Matthew 24:20-22 we see a two/time required prophecy where both histories will be keeping Christ's REQUIRED SABBATH DAY! This was of course the 70 A.D. slaughter of Israel. And the repeat of Eze. 9 will be seen in Revelation 3:10's time mentioned!! (666) Pray, Christ commanded, that your flight be neither in the winter or on the Sabbath Day!! 40 years in the future!!

Surely, if there were any mistakes, there was plenty of time for the Holy Spirit to straighten out Christ's blunder, huh? Or the twelve? Or Paul? Or me or you,.. or even the Word of God in Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15, huh?
--Elijah

 

[JM]

And I quote:

Romans 7:1-7 Comes right out and uses the same word for abolished of the 10 commandments that Eph 2:15 uses of what Sabbatarians say is the ceremonial law.

2 Corinthians 3 Flat out says the 10 commandments are abolished in 4 places by using the same word for abolished as in Eph 2:15.

Ephesians 2:15 Commandments contained in ordinances" refers specifically to the 10 commandments

Galatians 3:24-25 Adventists say the whole book of Galatians deals only with the ceremonial law, but Gal 4 proves them wrong. This passage says we are no longer under the ten commandment law now that Christ has come.

Colossians 2:14-16 So clearly states the weekly Sabbath is abolished that Adventists are at a loss as to know what to do with it!

False distinction refuted: 10 commandments vs. ceremonial law is a man made distinction not found in the Bible!

10 proofs that the 10 commandments are called "Statutes, Ordinances and Decrees" To the shock of Adventists, we have found 10 major texts in the Bible that come right out and call the 10 commandments "decrees… you know the equivalent word used in Col 2:14 and Eph 2:15.

All Sabbatarians are taught by their pastors, the false argument that the Plural "sabbaton" in Col 2:16 cannot refer to weekly Sabbath day. But as we can clearly see, there are at least 5 other places where the plural is used of the weekly Sabbath. The deception is even worse, given the fact that while most Seventh-day Adventist pastors know about these other passages, they do not tell their people in the pews!

Matthew 28:1, "Now after the Sabbath" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]
Luke 4:16, "He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]
Acts 16:13, "And on the Sabbath day" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]
Exodus 20:8 (in Septuagint) "Remember the Sabbath day" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]
Leviticus 23:37-38 (in Septuagint) "besides those of the Sabbaths of the Lord" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]

 

[JM]

If the Sabbath cannot change, because God cannot change (Mal 3:6) then what about all the other feast days and laws that changed? Heb 7:12. And why did Jesus give a "a new commandment" in John 13:34?

 

[JM]

Why did God often criticize the Gentiles via the prophets for moral violations, but never for not keeping the Sabbath?

 

[JM]

If the Sabbath is a moral law, how could Jesus break it without sinning? Jn 5:18

 

[Collier]

Jason wrote:

False distinction refuted: 10 commandments vs. ceremonial law is a man made distinction not found in the Bible!

Excellent point! They had to "come up" with this distiction in order to get around the verses which clearly show the old law was done away with and that we are now under the new law of Christ which shows that His church worshipped on the first day of the week.

 

[guibox]

Jason, bible.ca has so much assumption and doesn't even look at the different aspects. Nevermind that they don't have all the facts in what they say.

First of all, Colossians isn't even talking about the law but pagan, ascetic rituals enforced by pagan rulers. You will not find the word for 'law' in there. Both your reference and many Adventists are wrong for doing so. Please look at my post on Colossians in the Bible Study forum. Rather we see that Paul was actually supporting the Sabbath because the people weren't judged for NOT keeping it, but the way they were keeping it.

The judging was being done by the pagan rulers who wanted more asceiticism. So by even mentioning it, it is automatically assumed that they were already keeping the Sabbath and Paul was mentioning to not let those rulers judge you on HOW.

So rather than have the Sabbath being done away with as many so desperately want to make it, we see that it was already taken for granted.

Secondly, the majority of issues in Galatians isn't about which law was done away with, but what purpose the law serves. Paul supports the law when it is used to bring us to Christ and convict us of our sins ("For the law is holy, just and good." "do we abolish the law because of faith? No we establish the law!") but criticized it for keeping it be holy or righteous.

Regardless of how badly people want to do away with the law, the bible makes it clear tha there are some cremonies that are no longer binding. Paul never mixes the Sabbath among them.

Please also see my threads on Romans 14 and Ephesians 2.

 

[guibox]

Jason wrote:

False distinction refuted: 10 commandments vs. ceremonial law is a man made distinction not found in the Bible!

Excellent point! They had to "come up" with this distiction in order to get around the verses which clearly show the old law was done away with and that we are now under the new law of Christ which shows that His church worshipped on the first day of the week.

Really? Show me where the Christ's law of love includes sacrificing animals, blowing trumpets on feast days, fasting on other holy days, circumcision and jubliee festivals? In Christ's law of love I can find 'do not murder' 'don't worship other Gods', don't steal. As a matter of fact, I can find all ten of them. To say that there isn't a difference between the moral law and creremonial aspects of the law is ludicrous.

This is because Christ's law of love and grace completely embodies all of the ten commandments, not do away with them. This includes ALL of them, not nine without the Sabbath. The only reason why this illogical argument about the 'law being done away with' ever came about was because of people's resistance to acknowledge the Sabbath. If the Sabbath was never part of the 10 commandments, you would never have had this argument about the 10 commandments being nailed to the cross. It is utter foolishness to say that the moral law of murder, stealing, worshipping idols and adultery was 'done away with' and replaced with the same thing.

However, this must occur to get rid of the Sabbath.

In other words, if you do away with the law, you must do away with it ENTIRELY. To replace it with Christ's law of love is to reinstate the Sabbath as well.

So many contradictions when you want to take things out of context and believe assumption.

 

[JM]

Really? Show me where the Christ's law of love includes sacrificing animals, blowing trumpets on feast days, fasting on other holy days, circumcision and jubliee festivals? In Christ's law of love I can find 'do not murder' 'don't worship other Gods', don't steal. As a matter of fact, I can find all ten of them. To say that there isn't a difference between the moral law and creremonial aspects of the law is ludicrous.

5:2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,

And he opened his mouth

Having announced the kingdom of heaven as "at hand," the King, in Mat 5.-7., declares the principles of the kingdom. The Sermon on the Mount has a twofold application:

(1) literally to the kingdom. In this sense it gives the divine constitution for the righteous government of the earth. Whenever the kingdom of heaven is established on earth it will be according to that constitution, which may be regarded as an explanation of the word "righteousness" as used by the prophets in describing the kingdom (e.g.) Isaiah 11:4,5; 32:1; Daniel 9:24 In this sense the Sermon on the Mount is pure law, and transfers the offence from the overt act to the motive. Matthew 5:21,22,27,28. Here lies the deeper reason why the Jews rejected the kingdom. They had reduced "righteousness" to mere ceremonialism, and the Old Testament idea of the kingdom to a mere affair of outward splendour and power. They were never rebuked for expecting a visible and powerful kingdom, but the words of the prophets should have prepared them to expect also that only the poor in spirit and the meek could share in it (e.g.) Isaiah 11:4. The seventy-second Psalm, which was universally received by them as a description of the kingdom, was full of this. For these reasons, the Sermon on the Mount in its primary application gives neither the privilege nor the duty of the Church. These are found in the Epistles. Under the law of the kingdom, for example, no one may hope for forgiveness who has not first forgiven. Matthew 6:12,14,15. Under grace the Christian is exhorted to forgive because he is already forgiven. Ephesians 4:30-32.

(2) But there is a beautiful moral application to the Christian. It always remains true that the poor in spirit, rather than the proud, are blessed, and those who mourn because of their sins, and who are meek in the consciousness of them, will hunger and thirst after righteousness, and hungering, will be filled. The merciful are "blessed," the pure in heart do "see God." These principles fundamentally reappear in the teaching of the Epistles.

saying The beatific character, unattainable by effort, is wrought in the believer by the Spirit, Galatians 5:22,23. For Another Point of View: See Topic 301232

5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
kingdom

(See Scofield "Matthew 3:2") .

5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
world

"kosmos" = "mankind." (See Scofield "Matthew 4:8")

5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
I am not come to destroy

Christ's relation to the law of Moses may be thus summarized:

(1) He was made under the law Galatians 4:4.

(2) He lived in perfect obedience to the law John 8:46; Matthew 17:5; 1 Peter 2:21-23.

(3) he was a minister of the law to the Jews, clearing it from rabbinical sophistries, enforcing it in all its pitiless severity upon those who professed to obey it (e.g.) Luke 10:25-37 but confirming the promises made to the fathers under the Mosaic Covenant Romans 15:8.

(4) He fulfilled the types of the law by His holy life and sacrificial death Hebrews 9:11-26.

(5) He bore, vicariously, the curse of the law that the Abrahamic Covenant might avail all who believe Galatians 3:13,14.

(6) He brought out by His redemption all who believe from the place of servants under the law into the place of sons Galatians 4:1-7.

(7) He mediated by His blood the New Covenant of assurance and grace in which all believers stand Romans 5:2; Hebrews 8:6-13 so establishing the "law of Christ" Galatians 6:2 with its precepts of higher exaltation made possible by the indwelling Spirit.

5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
righteousness

Matthew 5:6,10,20 (See Scofield "Romans 10:10")

5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
hell fire

Gr. "Geenna" = Gehenna, the place in the valley of Hinnom where, anciently, human sacrifices were offered. 2 Chronicles 33:6; Jeremiah 7:31 The word occurs, ; Matthew 5:22,29,30; 10:28; 18:9; 23:15,33; Mark 9:43,45,47; Luke 12:5; James 3:6. In every instance except the last the word comes from the lips of Jesus Christ in most solemn warning of the consequences of sin. He describes it as the place where "their" worm never dies and of fire never to be quenched. The expression is identical in meaning with "lake of fire". ; Revelation 19:20; 20:10,14,15.

See "Death, the second" (John 8:24; Revelation 21:8); also (See Scofield "Revelation 21:8") See Scofield "Luke 16:23".

5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
paid

Cf. Isaiah 40:2; Ruth 1:21,22

5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
perfect

The word implies full development, growth into maturity of godliness, not sinless perfection. Ephesians 4:12,13. In this passage the Father's kindness, not His sinlessness, is the point in question. Luke 6:35,36

 

[JM]

One more quote with a link and I'm done:

LAW AND GRACE
The most obvious and striking division of the Word of truth is that between law and grace. Indeed, these contrasting principles characterize the two most important dispensations: the Jewish and Christian. "For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ" (John 1:17).

It is not, of course, meant that there was no law before Moses, any more than that there was no grace and truth before Jesus Christ. The forbidding to Adam of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Gen. 2:17) was law, and surely grace was most sweetly manifested in the Lord God seeking His sinning creatures and in His clothing them with coats of skins (Gen. 3:21)-a beautiful type of Christ who "is made unto us . . . righteousness" (1 Cor. 1:30). Law, in the sense of some revelation of God's will, and grace, in the sense of some revelation of God's goodness, have always existed, and to this Scripture abundantly testifies. But "the law" most frequently mentioned in Scripture was given by Moses, and from Sinai to Calvary, dominates, characterizes, the time; just as grace dominates or gives its peculiar character to the dispensation which begins at Calvary and has its predicted termination in the rapture of the church.

http://www.raptureme.com/resource/scofi ... field.html

 

[Elijah message]

And I quote:

Romans 7:1-7 Comes right out and uses the same word for abolished of the 10 commandments that Eph 2:15 uses of what Sabbatarians say is
the ceremonial law.


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Forum: Please look this up! I know that it is hard to find 2 Cor. 3's, verse, :wink???) but the devils message comes across anyhow in 'the assumption' [of the post,] that it does say something 'honest' is there anyhow. Perhaps the poster cannot understand how it was that the devil fell in the first place?
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2 Corinthians 3 Flat out says the 10 commandments are abolished in 4 places by using the same word for abolished as in Eph 2:15.

Ephesians 2:15 Commandments contained in ordinances" refers specifically to the 10 commandments

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And the ordinances are the 10 Eternal Covenant Commandments that God HIMSELF wrote? One best READ the last few verses of the Master's Book for this [post's junk! Even a milk fed babe can read Deut. 31 to see who wrote these laws!] See Deuteronomy 31:9 & Deuteronomy 24-26 and what were these laws or ORDINANCES? 2 Chronicles 8:13 finds even the simplest of minds understanding this verse?
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Galatians 3:24-25 Adventists say the whole book of Galatians deals only with the ceremonial law, but Gal 4 proves them wrong. This passage says we are no longer under the ten commandment law now that Christ has come.

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Again there fella! What verse are you talking about!!?? And adventist I am not, but they sure post more honest things on this forum than this post is seen to survey! You say: 'This[passage says we are no longer under the ten commandment law now that Christ has come]' Word for Word to, huh? Are the 1 John 2:4 ones under the Covenant of God? How about open bareface liars?? Or the once saved ones of 2 Peter 2:20-22.
No question, just plain fact!

I am just curious, have you ever read Hebrews 6:6? You best remorize the short 'lived' verse & compare it with Obad. 16 for further postings!
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Colossians 2:14-16 So clearly states the weekly Sabbath is abolished that Adventists are at a loss as to know what to do with it!

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What kind of remark is this Col. 2:14-16 stuff??? This comes right out of the 2 Chronicles 8:13 verse that was quoted before. It has no bearing whatsoever with the Everlasting Covenant of Hebrews 13:20. Even the Word sabbaths are called the commandments of Moses. Let me put it this way: You might best take a sabbatical sabbath & do some homework for your messages sake!
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False distinction refuted: 10 commandments vs. ceremonial law is a man made distinction not found in the Bible!

10 proofs that the 10 commandments are called "Statutes, Ordinances and Decrees" To the shock of Adventists, we have found 10 major texts in the Bible that come right out and call the 10 commandments "decrees… you know the equivalent word used in Col 2:14 and Eph 2:15.

All Sabbatarians are taught by their pastors, the false argument that the Plural "sabbaton" in Col 2:16 cannot refer to weekly Sabbath day. But as we can clearly see, there are at least 5 other places where the plural is used of the weekly Sabbath. The deception is even worse, given the fact that while most Seventh-day Adventist pastors know about these other passages, they do not tell their people in the pews!

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Wow!! Now you are into the reading of the.. "IF YE LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS" ones minds! Never will 'i' be convinced that any Converted or Born Again saint will EVER even suggest such powers for his 'miserable' 'need of nothing' 'wretched' 'BLIND AND NAKED' of Christ's Rightousness, self!!!! See Revelation 3:16-17
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Matthew 28:1, "Now after the Sabbath" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]
Luke 4:16, "He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]
Acts 16:13, "And on the Sabbath day" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]
Exodus 20:8 (in Septuagint) "Remember the Sabbath day" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]
Leviticus 23:37-38 (in Septuagint) "besides those of the Sabbaths of the Lord" [Greek- plural: sabbaton]

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OK: This is from a Born Again Christians heart friend! I want to leave this post of mine with you & all of the forum! There will be a time when I get to heaven that I, or we, or you, will look at this post of mine, (and your recorded ones) in the heavenly record books. (see 1 Corinthians 6:2-3)

And I want to say sincerely and honestly right now, while there is still time, (I do not want to be satisfied with sincere tears then) that I honestly do not believe that you know anything more about the Born again experience than did Nicodemus of John 3:3-6. You need to know what Christ REQUIRES of all of His creation from the start of their history, to its FINISH! (one way or the other! see James 1:15)

It is simply seen & recorded in Acts 5:32, NO COMPLETE SURRENDER OF *OBEDIENCE TO THE GODHEADS ETERNAL EVERLASTING COVENANT THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, will find NO PERSON EVER BORN AGAIN!! : See Ecclesiastes 12:13-14. And you "MUST BE BORN AGAIN", it is mandatory! ---Elijah

 

[Jay T]

If the Sabbath is a moral law, how could Jesus break it without sinning? Jn 5:18

Christ NEVER broke the 7th day Sabbath.
And if you had read the Bible, you would have seen that the 'religious leaders', said He broke it, and they were murders !

 

[Elijah message]

Hay, be advised! Forum: I do not like personal attacks for the simple reason it sidesteps the Truth. As far as I am concerned? Send them to me if that is your purpose. Was that clear?? Read it again, then?? Some here really do understand though. .

Some folk do not understand what is being said. Case in point: God gave Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15 in Everlasting GOSPEL Documentation. Or can God lie? Nothing new They say! Now, that is rather a stupid question, can God lie, huh? Yet, what do we see in the 'stupid foolish carnal mind of some of mankind? Take just these two verses and look over what the 'educated arm of flesh' does with them. Even the ream & reams of garbage where no two hardly agree ! Again see Rev. 17:5 garbled stuff.

The thread 'Subject' says: 'The Sabbath' How about in the light of the Gospel? And then we see all kinds of posts that is not in Light of the Gospel! We just posted two chapter verses of Ecc. that take the Gospel into ETERNITY! Same as with the Eternal COVENANT of the Godhead!! Rev. 14:6 & Heb. 13:20.

Then we see 'postings' (forget people!) with always having a starting point!! Like a ream of the Godheads 'promises' without their ETERNAL ALWAYS COVENANT CONDITION!!

Do these 'carnal' ones see this? No, the CARNAL MIND IS Rom. 8:7 ".. not subject to the law of God... Because the carnal mind is eminity against God." Rom. 8:7
..'For to be carnally minded is death.' ibid.. 6.

OK: ETERNAL GOSPEL!! The Sabbath is & was the birthday of creation. Psalms 135:13. No sin, No Jew, Now what does the Eccl. verses say?? I am asking Born Again Christians this question! The ones that have not the carnal mind! If Adam had not sinned the Sabbath would find NO CARNAL MINDS floating around even! In other words, the Sabbath would not even, had ever been given a second thought. It would be as natural as today's ones Born Again heart & mind!!

So in the other 'worlds' where it is twice stated in the Word of the Godhead's EVERLASTING GOSPEL, (of Heb. plural world's) what Day does God tell us that these ones worship Them on?? Come, let us reason together sayeth the Lord? But it must be done with mans stuff for the carnal heart, & with only 'some' Gospel truth, huh? Again, that was for the carnal heart, if there be any on the forum, huh??

And sure, we see in creation week that the Godhead set the DAY aside as Theirs! And it, the DAY had Their Blessing on it, and it was to be for HOLY USE. Before Sin interred planet earth.

And the carnal unbelieving heart ones? See Mal. 4:3 They will not be around much longer with all of the devils stuff. What was before the Memorial of Earth's Birthday we are told will be again! After it is all over. (see Eccl. 12:13-14 for Earth's & mankind's conclusion!) We see that the Born Again mind at least, understands that the Godhead reveals this also in Isaiah 66:22-23

"For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before Me, saieth the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, saieth the Lord."

No: ALL FLESH means just that! And WORSHIP WILL BE DONE ON THE LORD'S BLESSED AND SET ASIDE SABBATH DAY! And, yes, the carnal heart ones that find the Lord's 7th day Sabbath 'bondage' here on earth will find their self in Obad. 16 eternity of everlasting Gospel by freedom of choice. See Gen. 4:7!

---Elijah