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Bible Study The Saint and the Sinner

netchaplain

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Apostle John seems to have an appearance (but not apparent of course) of contradiction between his first and third epistles. In my opinion, a seemingly-apparent contradiction may be one of the means by which God hides His Word from the natural man (Matt 13:11, 13-17).

“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us†(1 John 1:8); “Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God†(1 John 3:9).

To have the sin nature (“old manâ€) is to have sin within, which complies with 1:8. In 3:9, “His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin,†can refer to John in his “new man†meaning Christ’s seed or if you will, His “divine nature,†of which we are â€partakers†(2 Pet 1:4). This can collate with Paul’s claim in Romans 7:17, 20, that “it is no longer I who do it,†meaning he in his new man is not participating, but rather the wrong being done is by the “sin that dwells in me.â€

I believe there is also a need to point out that what Scripture defines as a “sinner†is not synonymous with the traditional comprehension among Christians. If you use a Bible concordance for the word “sinner,†you will not find a scriptural reference indicating one who is in God, with the exception of Paul’s, “Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief†(Tim 1:15), which I will shortly explain.

Though Christians still sin, it does not mean they are still referred to as “sinners†by scriptural definition.

The reason scripture never refers to the saved as a “sinner’ is because, as J Gill explains it, “He does not make it his trade and business; it is not the constant course of his life; he does not live and walk in sin, or give up himself to it; he is not without the being of it in him, or free from acts of sin in his life and conversation, but he does not so commit it as to be the servant of it, a slave unto it.†I also believe this answers to, “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit†(Rom 8:9), e.g. our course of life is no longer controlled by the old man but, “by His Spirit in the inner man (new man).

My explanation for Paul’s claim of being chief of sinners lies within the two words “I am,†which is Strong’s Greek word “eimi,†which can intend “was†or “have been.†Strong’s translates G1510 in the following manner: I am (with G1473) (74x), am (55x), it is I (with G1473) (6x), be (2x), I was (with G1473) (1x), have been (1x).

As always, the definitions which apply are the terms to be used in the context of the passage and therefore rendering a paraphrase of “I was chief.â€

Let it be known that this article in no way implies a sinless state of the believer (though guiltless), nor that he no longer sins, though sinning is no longer a major factor in the believer’s life and if it evinces otherwise one should, “Examine yourselves, whether ye bin the faith†(2 Cor 13:5).

May we always remind ourselves that, “Where sin abounded, grace did much more abound†(Rom 5:20).
 
"7 Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are." (1 Corinthians 5:7 NIV)
 
Reba, I asked a question, that's all. A question is not debate. I simply asked him to clarify where the apparent contradictions are between 1 John and 3 John. How is that not allowed?
 
I think he meant the apparent contradiction between John saying true believers don't continue in sin, and what we says to do when we do sin. The bondage of a lifestyle of sin being the mark of the unbeliever, not the believer.
 
Good post Netchaplain. This is indeed how I understand it also. That I would do, I do not, and that I would not do, that I do. This phrase is in me to my core so much so that when I sin (and I do) I immediately recognize it and feel remorseful that I have sinned. Then I remember that in my weakness is he made strong. This makes it very important to start each day with prayer and to walk with the Lord wherever we go. The moment we take our eyes from the Lord, we begin to sink, like Peter walking on the water.

I yearn to be released from this fleshy Okiterion, and be clothed with one that has no sin within it. :pray

Thanks Ed for your compliment and you may be encourage to know that we are no more saved now than we will be latter, which means regardless of our understanding concerning our earthly condition, we are presently saved as we ever will be--because of our position; "accepted in the Beloved" (Eph 1:6).

God's blessings to your Family!
 
Reba, I asked a question, that's all. A question is not debate. I simply asked him to clarify where the apparent contradictions are between 1 John and 3 John. How is that not allowed?

If it's okay to answer, JB is pretty much on concerning the statement. The "seemingly" contradiction was 1 John's claim that we are not without sin and 3 John's claim that we do not sin.

I believe the many difficulties we encounter when understanding Scripture is to cause us to seek God for our answers, more than man and it also tests our neighborly love to one another; which is the primary intention of everything because when we practice neighborly love, we experience love for God (1 John 4:20).

Hi TND - I didn't see your post but maybe it could have possibly been the way you asked. Nevertheless, I like your Target ID (extremely humorous) and God's blessings to your Family!
 
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