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Rome is the last kingdom of the World, the fourth and fifth kingdoms of Daniels prophecy, and must be exposed. So here's the evidence that most Christians don't know:


Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talkedwith me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev 17:9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.


Legendary kings of Rome
Reign of Romulus
Romulus was not only Rome's first king but also the city's founder. In 753 B.C., Romulus began building the city upon the Palatine Hill. After founding Rome, he invited criminals, runaway slaves, exiles, and other undesirables by granting them asylum. In this manner, Romulus populated five of the seven hills of Rome. To provide his citizens with wives, Romulus invited the neighboring Sabine tribe to a festival where he abducted the Sabine women and brought them back to Rome (remembered as The Rape of the Sabine Women). After the ensuing war with the Sabines, Romulus brought the Sabines and Romans under one ruler.

Romulus divided the people of Rome between the able bodied men and those unfit for combat. The fighting men became the Roman legions consisting of 6,000 infantry and 600 cavalry. The rest became the people of Rome and out of these people, Romulus selected 100 of the most noble men to serve as senators in an advisory council for the king, the Roman Senate. These men he called patricians, and their descendants would become the republican nobles and elite. With the union between the Romans and Sabines, Romulus added another 100 members to the Senate of Sabine birth.


Growth of the city region during the kingdomAlso under Romulus' reign, the Comitia Curiata was instituted. To form the basis of the Comitia Curiata, Romulus divided the people of Rome into three tribes: one for Romans, a second for Sabines, and a third for all others. Each tribe elected ten representatives, known as curiae, to form a single voting body. Romulus would convene the Curiate and lay proposals from either himself or the Senate before the Curiate for ratification. All proposals passed before the Comitia Curiata were either unanimously supported or unanimously defeated as the majority of curiate voting was viewed as the opinion of the entire Curiate.

After 38 years as king of Rome, Romulus had fought in several successful wars, expanding the control of Rome over all of Latium and many of the surrounding areas. Romulus also instituted the augurs as part of the Roman religion. Romulus would be remembered as early Rome's greatest conqueror and as one of the men with the most pietas in Roman history. After his death at the age of 54, Romulus was deified as the war god Quirinus and served not only as one of the three major gods of Rome but also as the deified likeness of the city of Rome.


Reign of Numa Pompilius
According to Early History of Rome by Livy, Numa first gained reputation as a man of justice, and after Romulus' strange and mysterious death, the kingship fell to Numa Pompilius. Another reason was that he was from the Sabine sector, maybe to make amends of the old crime, he was appointed the king.

Though first unwilling to serve as king, his father convinced him to take up the position as a service to the gods. Celebrated for his natural wisdom, Numa’s reign was marked by peace and prosperity.

Numa reformed the Roman calendar by adjusting it for the solar and lunar year as well as by adding the months of January and February to bring the total number of months to twelve. Numa instituted several of Rome's religious rituals including the Salii, and a flamen maioris to serve as the chief priest to Quirinus, the Flamen Quirinalis. Numa organized the area in and around Rome into districts for easier management. He is also credited with the organization of Rome’s first occupational guilds.

Numa is remembered as the most religious of the kings (surpassing even Romulus), and during his reign, he introduced the flamens, the vestal virgins of Rome, the pontiffs and the College of Pontiffs. Under his administration, temples to Vesta and Janus were constructed. Also during his reign, it was said that a shield from Jupiter fell from the sky with the fate of Rome written on it. Numa ordered eleven copies of the shield to be created and these shields became sacred to the Romans.

As a peace-loving and gentle man, Numa planted ideas of meekness and justice within the minds of the Romans. The doors to the Temple of Janus were never open a single day as Numa waged no wars during his entire four decades of rule. He would reign for 41 years as king and would die a natural, peaceful death.


Reign of Tullus Hostilius
Tullus Hostilius was much like Romulus in his warlike behavior and completely unlike Numa in his lack of respect for the gods. Tullus waged war against Alba Longa, Fidenae, and Veii, thus granting Rome even greater territory and power. It was during Tullus' reign that the city of Alba Longa was completely destroyed and Tullus enslaved the population and sent them back to Rome.

Tullus desired war so much that he even waged another war against the Sabines. With the coming of Tullus’ reign, the Romans lost their desire for peace. Tullus fought so many wars that he completely neglected the worship of the gods. Legend has it that because of this, a plague infected the city, and Tullus himself was among the infected. When Tullus called upon Jupiter and begged assistance, Jupiter responded with a bolt of lightning that burned the king and his house to ashes.

Despite his war-like nature, Tullus Hostilius selected and represented the third group of people to make up Rome’s patrician class consisting of those who had come to Rome seeking asylum and a new life. He also constructed a new home for the Senate, the Curia, which survived for over 500 years after his death. His reign lasted for 31 years.


Reign of Ancus Marcius
Following Tullus’ mysterious death, the Romans elected a peaceful and religious king in his place. The king they elected was Numa’s grandson, Ancus Marcius. Much like his grandfather, Ancus did little to expand the borders of Rome and only fought war when his territories needed defending. He also built Rome's first prison on the Capitoline Hill.

During his reign, Janiculum Hill on the western bank was fortified to further protect Rome, and the first bridge across the Tiber River was built by Ancus. He would also found Rome’s port of Ostia on the Tyrrhenian Sea and establish Rome’s first salt works. During his reign, Rome's size increased as Ancus used diplomacy to peacefully join some of the smaller surrounding cities into alliance with Rome. Through this method, he completed the conquest of the Latins and relocated them to the Aventine Hill, thus forming the plebeian class of Romans.

He would die a natural death, like his grandfather before him, after 25 years as king, and would be remembered as one of Rome’s greatest pontiffs.


Reign of Tarquinius Priscus
Tarquinius Priscus was not only Rome’s fifth king but also the first of Etruscan birth (through Greek ancestry). After emigrating to Rome, he found favor with Ancus, who later adopted him as his son. Upon becoming king, he waged wars against the Sabines and Etruscans, which doubled the size of Rome and brought great treasures to the city.

One of his first reforms was to add 100 new members to the Senate from the conquered Etruscan tribes, bringing the total number of senators to 300. He used the treasures Rome had acquired from the conquests to build great monuments for Rome. Among these were Rome’s great sewer systems, the Cloaca Maxima, which he used to drain the swamp-like area between the Seven Hills of Rome. In the swamp’s place, he began what would become the Roman Forum. He also instituted the founding of the Roman games.

The most famous of his great building projects is the Circus Maximus, a giant stadium used for chariot races which, to this day, remains the largest stadium in the world[citation needed]. Priscus followed up the Circus Maximus by beginning a temple-fortress to the god Jupiter upon the Capitoline Hill. Unfortunately, he was killed after 38 years as king at the hands of agents of Ancus Marcius’ sons before it could be completed. His reign is best remembered for introducing the Roman symbols of military and civil offices as well as the introduction of the Roman Triumph, being the first Roman to celebrate one.


Reign of Servius Tullius

The City of the Four Regions, roughly corresponding to the city limits during the later kingdom. The division is traditionally, though probably incorrectly, attributed to Servius Tullius.Following Priscus’s death, his son-in-law Servius Tullius succeeded him to the throne, the second king of Etruscan birth to rule Rome. Like his father-in-law before him, Servius fought successful wars against the Etruscans. He used the treasure from the campaigns to build the first walls to fully encompass the Seven Hills of Rome, the pomerium. He also brought about reforms within the Roman army.

He was renowned for implementing a new constitution for the Romans, further developing the citizen classes. He instituted the world’s first census which divided the people of Rome into five economic classes, and formed the Century Assembly. He also used his census to divide the people within Rome into four urban tribes based upon location within the city, establishing the Tribal Assembly. His reign is also given credit for building the temple to Diana on the Aventine Hill.

Servius’ reforms brought about a major change in Roman life: voting rights were now based upon economic wealth, transferring much of the power into the hands of the Roman elite. However, as time passed, Servius increasingly favored the most impoverished people in order to obtain favors from the plebs. His legislation was very distasteful to the patrician order. Tullius’s reign of 44 years was brought to an end after his assassination in a conspiracy led by his own daughter Tullia and her husband Tarquinius Superbus.


Reign of Tarquinius Superbus
The seventh and final king of Rome was Tarquinius Superbus. As the son of Priscus and the son-in-law of Servius, Tarquinius was also of Etruscan birth. It was also during his reign that the Etruscans reached their apex of power. More than other kings before him, Tarquinius used violence, murder, and terrorism to maintain control over Rome. He repealed many of the earlier constitutional reforms set down by his predecessors.

Tarquinius removed and destroyed all the Sabine shrines and altars from the Tarpeian Rock, enraging the people of Rome. A sex scandal brought down the king. Allegedly, Tarquinius allowed his son, Sextus Tarquinius, to rape Lucretia, a patrician Roman. Sextus had threatened Lucretia that if she refused to copulate with him, he would kill a slave, then kill her, and have the bodies discovered together, thus creating a gigantic conspiracy. Lucretia then told her relatives about the threat, and subsequently committed suicide to avoid any such conspiracy. Lucretia’s kinsman, Lucius Junius Brutus (ancestor to Marcus Brutus), summoned the Senate and had Tarquinius and the monarchy expelled from Rome in 510 BC.

After Tarquinius’ expulsion, the Senate voted to never again allow the rule of a king and reformed Rome into a republican government in 509 BC. Many years later during the Republican period, this strong Roman opposition to kings was used by the Senate as a rationalization for the murder of the agrarian reformer Tiberius Gracchus. Lucius Junius Brutus and Lucius Tarquinius Collatinus, a member of the Tarquin family and Lucretia's widower, went on to become one of the first consuls of Rome’s new government. This new government would lead the Romans to conquer most of the Mediterranean world and would survive for the next 500 years until the rise of Julius Caesar and Caesar Augustus. Even then, the trappings of the Republic were not entirely done away with; the Republic would survive in a debased form until the Dominate.
These were the first seven kings of Rome but not Caesars. The Caesars begun with Augusta (the first king) to Nerva (the eleventh king) which is another story, Nerva being the last Italian Emperor by birth or blood and the last Caesar. The Caesars then became the second in command to the non- Italian emperors .
Based on Rev 17:10 "five are fallen and one is..", and the time of John's message, we know that these seven aren't the seven of which the beast becomes the eightth.
Please note that Nerva(11th) plucked up the three Flavian(8th-10th) Emperors/Dynasty that ended the Antonian Caesar's dynasty(1st-7th) and started his own Antonine Dynasty, eventhough he instituted Flavian worship.
It's also interesting to note that four of the ten hills were made into one hill (Quirinal Hill) for the rulers of Italy/Rome ("three of the ten horns plucked up"?) in the 16th century.
Rome is the final beast that will last to the end of the world.
Quote:
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom [are] ten kings [that] shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Quote:
Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
Which is the city of Rome. The only remaining beast that had a great influence on Christ's doctrine that has influenced the world. False doctrine is Anti-Christ doctrine!

Wikipedia's
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It was part of a group of hills that included Collis Latiaris, Mucialis (or Sanqualis), Salutaris. These are now lost due to building in the 16th century and later. According to Roman legend, the Quirinal Hill was the site of a small village of the Sabines, and king Titus Tatius would have lived there after the peace between Romans and Sabines. These Sabines had erected altars in the honour of their god Quirinus (naming the hill by this god).

Tombs have been discovered from the 8th century B.C. to the 7th century B.C. that confirm a likely presence of a Sabine settlement area; on the hill there was the tomb of Quirinus, that Lucius Papirius Cursor transformed into a temple for his triumph after the third Samnite war. Some authors consider it possible that the cult of the Capitoline Triad (Jove, Minerva, Juno) could have been celebrated here well before it became associated with the Capitoline Hill. The sanctuary of Flora, an Osco-sabine goddess, was here too.

In 446 BC, a temple was dedicated on the Quirinal in the honour of Semo Sancus Dius Fidius, and it is possible that this temple was erected over the ruins of another temple. Augustus, too, ordered the building of a temple, dedicated to Mars. On a slope of the Quirinal were the extensive gardens of Sallust.

The Quirinal Hill is where Constantine ordered the erection of his baths, the last thermae complex of imperial Rome. These are now lost, having been incorporated into Renaissance Rome, with only some drawings from the 16th century remaining.

In the Middle Ages the Torre delle Milizie and the convent of St. Peter and Domenic were built, and above Constantine's building was erected the Palazzo Rospigliosi; the two famous colossal marble statues of the "Horse Tamers", generally identified as the Dioscuri with horses, which now are in the Piazza Quirinale, were originally in this Palazzo. They gave to the Quirinal its medieval name Monte Cavallo which lingered into the nineteenth century, when the Quirinale was transformed beyond all recognition by urbanization of an expanding capital of a united Italy. In the same palazzo were also the two statues of river gods that Michelangelo moved to the steps of Palazzo Senatorio on the Capitoline Hill.


The Quirinal Hill is today identified with the Palazzo del Quirinale, the official residence of the President of the Italian Republic and one of the symbols of the State. Before the abolition of the Italian monarchy in 1946, it was the residence of the king of Italy, and before 1871 it was, as originally, the residence of the Pope.

The cool air of the Quirinal attracted aristocrats and papal families that built villas where the gardens of Sallust had been in antiquity. A visit to the villa of Cardinal Luigi d'Este in 1573 convinced Pope Gregory XIII to start the building of a summer residence the following year, in an area considered healthier than the Vatican Hill or Lateran: his architects were Flaminio Ponzio and Ottaviano Nonni, called Mascherino; under Pope Sixtus V works were continued by Domenico Fontana (the main facade on the Piazza) and Carlo Maderno, and by Gian Lorenzo Bernini for Pope Clement XII. Gardens were conceived by Maderno. In the 18th century, Ferdinando Fuga built the long wing called the Manica Lunga, which stretched 360 meters along via del Quirinale. In front lies the sloping Piazza del Quirinale where the pair of gigantic Roman marble "Horse Tamers" representing Castor and Pollux, found in the Baths of Constantine, were re-erected in 1588. In Piranesi's view the vast open space is unpaved. The Palazzo del Quirinale was the residence of the popes until 1870, though Napoleon deported both Pius VI and Pius VII to France, and declared the Quirinale an imperial palace. When Rome was united to the Kingdom of Italy, the Quirinale became the residence of the kings until 1946.

Today the Palazzo hosts the offices and the apartments of the Head of State, and in its long side along via XX Settembre (the so-called Manica Lunga), the apartments that were furnished for each visit of foreign monarchs or dignitaries.

Several collections are in this Palazzo, including tapestries, paintings, statues, old carriages (carrozze), watches, furniture, andporcelain.

In Piranesi's view, the palazzo on the right hand is the Palazzo della Sacra Consulta, originally a villa built upon the ruins of the Baths of Constantine which was adapted by Sixtus V as a civil and criminal court. The present façade was built in 1732–1734 by the architect Ferdinando Fuga on the orders of Pope Clement XII Corsini, whose coat-of-arms, trumpeted by two Fames, still surmounts the roofline balustrade, as in Piranesi's view. Formerly it housed Mussolini's ministry of colonial affairs.
 
I know of another city sitting on seven hills and there are alot of Christians who dont know who that is.,This city believes it is the city of God and there is no other beside her even though she didnt come down from heaven from my God .She believes she is a queen and her children are in bondage.

Rev 18;24
And in her was found the blood of prophets,and of saints,and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Mat 23;35
That upon you may come all the rightous blood shed upon the earth,from the blood of rightous Abel unto the blood of Zecharial son of Barachias,whom ye slew between the temple and the alter.
 
Shilohs'
I know of another city sitting on seven hills and there are alot of Christians who dont know who that is.,This city believes it is the city of God and there is no other beside her even though she didnt come down from heaven from my God .She believes she is a queen and her children are in bondage.
That's interesting because I heard a catholic priest say that the Vatican was the new jerusalem that came down from heaven fulfilling Revelation eventhough the dimensions of the two cities differ.
 
precepts said:
Shilohs'
I know of another city sitting on seven hills and there are alot of Christians who dont know who that is.,This city believes it is the city of God and there is no other beside her even though she didnt come down from heaven from my God .She believes she is a queen and her children are in bondage.
That's interesting because I heard a catholic priest say that the Vatican was the new jerusalem that came down from heaven fulfilling Revelation eventhough the dimensions of the two cities differ.

Rev 18;24
And in her was found the blood of prophets,and of saints,and of all that were slain upon the earth.
Mat 23;35
That upon you may come all the rightous blood shed upon the earth,from the blood of rightous Abel unto the blood of Zecharial son of Barachias,whom ye slew between the temple and the alter.

The city that Im speaking of is the mother of the people Jesus is speaking of in Mathew 23;35.The only way both these verses can be true is if the city in Rev 18;24 is mother of those spoken of in Mathew 23;35.

Also it is written that Israel would serve the king of Babylon for 70 years and after that time is complete they will be visited.By my calculation,it has been 60 years.The national symbol of the king they now serve is the same symbol they took to Babylon thousands of years ago and thier synagogues (which were instituted in Babylon)bare that symbol as well.
 
Shilohsfoal said:
Rev 18;24
And in her was found the blood of prophets,and of saints,and of all that were slain upon the earth.
Mat 23;35
That upon you may come all the rightous blood shed upon the earth,from the blood of rightous Abel unto the blood of Zecharial son of Barachias,whom ye slew between the temple and the alter.
So where were the Catholic Church when Abel was slain ? :shrug
 
Cornelius said:
Shilohsfoal said:
Rev 18;24
And in her was found the blood of prophets,and of saints,and of all that were slain upon the earth.
Mat 23;35
That upon you may come all the rightous blood shed upon the earth,from the blood of rightous Abel unto the blood of Zecharial son of Barachias,whom ye slew between the temple and the alter.
So where were the Catholic Church when Abel was slain ? :shrug

You see what I mean?
If the blood of the prophets and saints and all that were slain upon the earth mentioned in Rev 18;24 is found Babylon ,then so is the rightous blood Jesus said were on the hands of the jewish leaders in Mat23;25.The only way both these scriptures can be true is if Jerusalem is the whore spoken of in Revelation.

Isaiah 1;21
How has the faithful city become a harlot!
It was full of judgement;rightousness lodged in it;but now murderers.

Its not Rome.Its Jerusalem and her children.
MT 27;23-25
Pilate saith unto them.What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ?They all say unto him,Let him be crucified.
And the govenor said,Why,what evil hath he done?But they cried out the more,saying,Let him be crucified.
When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing,but that rather a tumult was made,he took water,and washed his hands before the multitude,saying,I am innocent of the blood of this just person;see ye to it.
Then answerd all the people,and said,His blood be on us,and on our children.
 
Shilohs'
Rev 18;24
And in her was found the blood of prophets,and of saints,and of all that were slain upon the earth.
Mat 23;35
That upon you may come all the rightous blood shed upon the earth,from the blood of rightous Abel unto the blood of Zecharial son of Barachias,whom ye slew between the temple and the alter.

The city that Im speaking of is the mother of the people Jesus is speaking of in Mathew 23;35.The only way both these verses can be true is if the city in Rev 18;24 is mother of those spoken of in Mathew 23;35.
I wasn't aware that Jerusalem was a great city that rule over the kings of the earth. I wasn't aware that Jerusalem had 5 fallen kings, 1 that was, and 1 that was to come in the time of Rome's persecution of the christians.


shilohs'
Also it is written that Israel would serve the king of Babylon for 70 years and after that time is complete they will be visited.By my calculation,it has been 60 years.The national symbol of the king they now serve is the same symbol they took to Babylon thousands of years ago and thier synagogues (which were instituted in Babylon)bare that symbol as well.



Shiloh's
You see what I mean?
If the blood of the prophets and saints and all that were slain upon the earth mentioned in Rev 18;24 is found Babylon ,then so is the rightous blood Jesus said were on the hands of the jewish leaders in Mat23;25.The only way both these scriptures can be true is if Jerusalem is the whore spoken of in Revelation.
Interesting, but why would Jerusalem be called Babylon when Babylon was an entirely different country. Do you suppose they merge during and after Jerusalem's captivity?


Shilohs'
Isaiah 1;21
How has the faithful city become a harlot!
It was full of judgement;rightousness lodged in it;but now murderers.
Wow, you suppose that Jerusalem was the only city called a harlot?


Shilohs'
Its not Rome.Its Jerusalem and her children.
Anybody but Rome, right. I wonder why Jerusalem is not mentioned after the feet of clay and iron from which the lil horn with eyes of a man exalts himself, etc.?


Shilohs'
MT 27;23-25
Pilate saith unto them.What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ?They all say unto him,Let him be crucified.
And the govenor said,Why,what evil hath he done?But they cried out the more,saying,Let him be crucified.
When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing,but that rather a tumult was made,he took water,and washed his hands before the multitude,saying,I am innocent of the blood of this just person;see ye to it.
Then answerd all the people,and said,His blood be on us,and on our children.
What about the years of Christian persecution and excution of the saints by Roman emperors?



Shilohs'
Rev 18;24
And in her was found the blood of prophets,and of saints,and of all that were slain upon the earth.
Mat 23;35
That upon you may come all the rightous blood shed upon the earth,from the blood of rightous Abel unto the blood of Zecharial son of Barachias,whom ye slew between the temple and the alter.
I think the question is who caused Cain or any of these jews to kill? What did these killers have in common with Babylon and Rome? That is the answer !
 
Its not that difficult.

Find out who or what killed Abel and we have the answer. :P

Why did Cain kill Abel ?

Rev 18;24
And in her was found the blood of prophets,and of saints,and of all that were slain upon the earth.
Mat 23;35
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth,from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zecharial son of Barachias,whom ye slew between the temple and the alter.
 
Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, through which he had witness borne to him that he was righteous, God bearing witness in respect of his gifts: and through it he being dead yet speaketh.

1Jn 3:12 not as Cain was of the evil one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Here is the answer:

Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
Jud 1:5 Now I desire to put you in remembrance, though ye know all things once for all, that the Lord, having saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
Jud 1:6 And angels that kept not their own principality, but left their proper habitation, he hath kept in everlasting bonds under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them, having in like manner with these given themselves over to fornication and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire.
Jud 1:8 Yet in like manner these also in their dreamings defile the flesh, and set at nought dominion, and rail at dignities.
Jud 1:9 But Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing judgment, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Jud 1:10 But these rail at whatsoever things they know not: and what they understand naturally, like the creatures without reason, in these things are they destroyed.
Jud 1:11 Woe unto them! For they went in the way of Cain,

Cain killed Abel, when Cain's false religion was rejected by God. Abel was IN FAITH and Cain was IN WORKS, but STILL claiming religion and a walk with God. Cain offered to God, but he offered the works of the flesh and was rejected.Gen 4:3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground (symbolic of the fruit of the flesh) an offering unto Jehovah.

False religion killed Abel and all the saints and will kill them again.Rome was but one small part of that.
 
"precepts"[quote:ub4dvyyg]Rev 18;24
And in her was found the blood of prophets,and of saints,and of all that were slain upon the earth.
Mat 23;35
That upon you may come all the rightous blood shed upon the earth,from the blood of rightous Abel unto the blood of Zecharial son of Barachias,whom ye slew between the temple and the alter.
I think the question is who caused Cain or any of these jews to kill? What did these killers have in common with Babylon and Rome? That is the answer ![/quote:ub4dvyyg]

The question is who is Jesus speaking of in Mt 23;35.
We are speaking of a city that kills the prophets as seen in Rev 18;24.
Mt 23;37
O Jerusalem,Jerusalem,thou that killest the prophets,and stonest them which are sent unto thee,how often would I have gatherd thy children,even as a hen gathereth her children under her wings,and ye would not!

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You could even learn what kings Jerusalem rules over if you sought for that answer.
 
Hi Precepts. When in Revelation it speaks of Jerusalem, do we not take it as literal?

Therefore, when It speaks of Babylon, it too should be taken literally.

True, there is no city of Babylon as described in Revelation, but Revelation is all future, in the "Lord's day", that is, the "day of the Lord."

The seven heads which are seven hills on which the woman (Babylon) sits, are, to me. seven kingdoms which give their power and authority to the woman (Babylon).

To assume Babylon is "Rome" is, IMO, only speculation.
 
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Hi Precepts. When in Revelation it speaks of Jerusalem, do we not take it as literal?
The Jerusalem and New Jerusalem is literal and not real?

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Therefore, when It speaks of Babylon, it too should be taken literally.
Babylon in Revelation is the 8th king, the beast.

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True, there is no city of Babylon as described in Revelation, but Revelation is all future, in the "Lord's day", that is, the "day of the Lord."
The book of Joel speaks of the day of the Lord as beginning from the time of the destruction of Jerusalem by Babylon as the sword of God, the beginning of the winepress. I believe there's a verse that implies that the sword of the Lord was in the hand of Nebuchadnezzar bringing judgement on Israel for her sins.

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The seven heads which are seven hills on which the woman (Babylon) sits, are, to me. seven kingdoms which give their power and authority to the woman (Babylon).
The seven heads were seven kings, the bible states. The beast that ascends from the bottomless pit was the 8th king. Rome was founded by seven kings.
Why is it that the horns of Greece were kings in Daniel but in Revelation it's kingdoms?


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To assume Babylon is "Rome" is, IMO, only speculation.
The beast in Daniel with the ten horns from which sprung up one that plucked up three is the beasts that rose up in Revelation. The 2nd beast with two horns like a lamb in Revelation is the 11th horn of Rome in Daniel. Nerva the 11th emperor of Rome (the false prophet) was the last Roman emperor to be a roman by birth or blood who plucked up the Flavian dynasty (the 8th, 9th, and 10th emperors) and started the Antonine dynasty. History proves this. It's a fact that he started Flavian worship in Rome. Persons that took the name of the beast were Josephus the historian, Constantine, etc.. Research "Flavians". This 8th emperor/king, Flavius, destroyed the temple and Jerusalem in 70ad in the year 68/69, the year of the four emperors, a year of wars between these four kings. Within 12months Rome had 4 different emperors which corresponds to John's message and the time of his message that 5 were fallen, one was, and one was to come and continue a short space (the 7th). The 8th who was of the seven would be the one to cause the righteous to flee into the hills of Judea as told in the prophecy of the abomination of desolation, wars and rumors of war.
 
It's interesting to note that Jerusalem and the temple were both destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar (Babylon) and Flavius (the 8th king of Rome) who is referred to as the whore of Babylon who is fallen (Babylon the Great), the one Satan gave his seat and his power to, the beast that rose out of the sea after Satan's fall (the dragon) in Revelation, the beast from the bottomless pit, the beast that is thrown into the lake of fire, the beast that decieved the nations with sorcery.

The beasts in Revelation and Daniel is the four angels that were bound in the river Euphrates and the beast from the bottomless pit, five fallen angels that were bound and released for their day of judgement (the lake of fire). They were also known as the double edge sword of God sent to punish the earth, the seals of Revelation.
 
It's interesting to note that Jerusalem and the temple were both destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar (Babylon) and Flavius (the 8th king of Rome) who is referred to as the whore of Babylon who is fallen (Babylon the Great), the one Satan gave his seat and his power to, the beast that rose out of the sea after Satan's fall (the dragon) in Revelation, the beast from the bottomless pit, the beast that is thrown into the lake of fire, the beast that decieved the nations with sorcery.

The beasts in Revelation and Daniel is the four angels that were bound in the river Euphrates and the beast from the bottomless pit, five fallen angels that were bound and released for their day of judgement (the lake of fire). They were also known as the double edge sword of God sent to punish the earth, the seals of Revelation.
 
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