The Sins Of The Canaanites: Blood-Lust, Murder, Incest, Sex With Animals . . .

[JAG ..]

The Canaanites Were Not Salvageable --- They Had Sunk To The Very Bottom
On The Immorality Scale:
{A} Cold Blooded Murder.
{B} Incest With Close Family Members.
{C} Murdered Their Own Children {Molech}.
{D} Blood-Lust Gory Murder Religious Ceremonies.
{E} Sex With Animals.
God's purpose was to get rid of all that up there and replace it with the
religion of the nation of Israel which prohibited all such vile sins.

"The Lord said to Moses, speak to the Israelites and say to them,
You must not do as they do in the land of Canaan where I am bringing
you. Do not follow their practices." Leviticus 18:1-3

"Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways {listed in Leviticus 18:6-23}
because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you
became defiled."

"For all these things were done by the people who lived in the land
before you" Leviticus 18:27

". . . the detestable customs that were practiced before you came"
Leviticus 18:30

So what were they doing that was so bad?

Here is the list of the sins of the Canaanites:

(1) They were having sex with their close family members.
Leviticus 18:6

(2) They were having sex with their mothers.
Leviticus 18:7

(3) They were having sex with their sisters.
Leviticus 18:9

(4) They were having sex with their grandchildren.
Leviticus 18:10

(5) They were having sex with their aunts.
Leviticus 18:14

(6) They were having sex with their daughters-in law.
Leviticus 18:15

(7) They were having sex with their brother's wife.
Leviticus 18:16

( 8 ] They were having sex with their neighbor's wife..
Leviticus 18:20

(9) They were having homosexual sex.
Leviticus 18:22

(10) They were giving their children to be murdered in sacrifice to Molech.
Leviticus 18:21

Now The Canaanites Had Sunk To Bestiality.

(11) The Canaanites were having sex with animals.
Leviticus 18:23

(12) Their women were specifically mentioned as having sex with animals.
Leviticus 18:23

There was a total of 6 tribes that were practicing (1) through (12) up there:

Hittites
Amorites
Canaanites
Perizzites
Hivites
Jebusites
All 6 tribes are generally referred to as the "Canaanites."
Deuteronomy 20:16-18

The command of God to the Israelites in Deuteronomy 20:16 "do not leave alive
anything that breathes" was applicable only to these 6 tribes that were practicing
(1) through (12) listed up-post. All the other many tribes and cities that were living
at a distance from the Canaanites were to be offered an opportunity to make peace
with the Israelites and were never the object of total annihilation as was the 6 totally
corrupt Canaanite nations.

See Deuteronomy 20:11 and Deuteronomy 20:15 on the offer of peace to be
made to the nations living at a distance from the Canaanites. The reason for
the offer of peace was that these nations living at a distance from the
Canaanites were morally salvageable and they were accordingly shown
mercy if they would agree to make peace with the Israelites.

Repeat . . .
The Canaanites Were Not Salvageable --- They Had Sunk To The Very Bottom
Of The Immorality Scale:
{A} Cold Blooded Murder.
{B} Incest With Close Family Members.
{C} Murdered Their Own Children {Molech}
{D} Blood-Lust Gory Murder Religious Ceremonies.
{E} Sex With Animals.

"washed her hands in human gore" . . . .

Start quote.
Consider the bloodlust and violence of the Canaanite deity Anath, the patroness
of both war and sex.

The late archaeologist William Albright describes the Canaanite deity Anath's
massacre in the following gory scene.

The blood was so deep that she waded in it up to her knees -- nay, up to her neck.
Under her feet were human heads, above her human hands flew like locusts.

In her sensuous delight she decorated herself with suspended (human) heads while
she attached (human) hands to her girdle.

Her joy at the butchery is described in even more sadistic language. Her liver swelled
with laughter, her heart was full of joy, the liver of Anath (was full of) exultation.

Afterwards Anath was satisfied and washed her hands in human gore before
proceeding to other occupations.
End quote.

The above quote regarding Anath is from Is God A Moral Monster: Making Sense
Of The Old Testament God, by Paul Copan, page 159

So?

So the following seems very reasonable . . . .

"However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an
inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy
them-the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites-as
the LORD your God has commanded you. Otherwise, they will teach you
to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and
you will sin against the LORD your God. __Deuteronomy 20:16-18

. . . . . in light of:
The Sins Of The Canaanites: Blood-Lust, Murder, Incest, Sex With Animals.


`

 

[Truthfrees]

The Canaanites Were Not Salvageable --- They Had Sunk To The Very Bottom
On The Immorality Scale:
{A} Cold Blooded Murder.
{B} Incest With Close Family Members.
{C} Murdered Their Own Children {Molech}.
{D} Blood-Lust Gory Murder Religious Ceremonies.
{E} Sex With Animals.
God's purpose was to get rid of all that up there and replace it with the
religion of the nation of Israel which prohibited all such vile sins.

"The Lord said to Moses, speak to the Israelites and say to them,
You must not do as they do in the land of Canaan where I am bringing
you. Do not follow their practices." Leviticus 18:1-3

"Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways {listed in Leviticus 18:6-23}
because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you
became defiled."

"For all these things were done by the people who lived in the land
before you" Leviticus 18:27

". . . the detestable customs that were practiced before you came"
Leviticus 18:30

So what were they doing that was so bad?

Here is the list of the sins of the Canaanites:

(1) They were having sex with their close family members.
Leviticus 18:6

(2) They were having sex with their mothers.
Leviticus 18:7

(3) They were having sex with their sisters.
Leviticus 18:9

(4) They were having sex with their grandchildren.
Leviticus 18:10

(5) They were having sex with their aunts.
Leviticus 18:14

(6) They were having sex with their daughters-in law.
Leviticus 18:15

(7) They were having sex with their brother's wife.
Leviticus 18:16

( 8 ] They were having sex with their neighbor's wife..
Leviticus 18:20

(9) They were having homosexual sex.
Leviticus 18:22

(10) They were giving their children to be murdered in sacrifice to Molech.
Leviticus 18:21

Now The Canaanites Had Sunk To Bestiality.

(11) The Canaanites were having sex with animals.
Leviticus 18:23

(12) Their women were specifically mentioned as having sex with animals.
Leviticus 18:23

There was a total of 6 tribes that were practicing (1) through (12) up there:

Hittites
Amorites
Canaanites
Perizzites
Hivites
Jebusites
All 6 tribes are generally referred to as the "Canaanites."
Deuteronomy 20:16-18

The command of God to the Israelites in Deuteronomy 20:16 "do not leave alive
anything that breathes" was applicable only to these 6 tribes that were practicing
(1) through (12) listed up-post. All the other many tribes and cities that were living
at a distance from the Canaanites were to be offered an opportunity to make peace
with the Israelites and were never the object of total annihilation as was the 6 totally
corrupt Canaanite nations.

See Deuteronomy 20:11 and Deuteronomy 20:15 on the offer of peace to be
made to the nations living at a distance from the Canaanites. The reason for
the offer of peace was that these nations living at a distance from the
Canaanites were morally salvageable and they were accordingly shown
mercy if they would agree to make peace with the Israelites.

Repeat . . .
The Canaanites Were Not Salvageable --- They Had Sunk To The Very Bottom
Of The Immorality Scale:
{A} Cold Blooded Murder.
{B} Incest With Close Family Members.
{C} Murdered Their Own Children {Molech}
{D} Blood-Lust Gory Murder Religious Ceremonies.
{E} Sex With Animals.

"washed her hands in human gore" . . . .

Start quote.
Consider the bloodlust and violence of the Canaanite deity Anath, the patroness
of both war and sex.

The late archaeologist William Albright describes the Canaanite deity Anath's
massacre in the following gory scene.

The blood was so deep that she waded in it up to her knees -- nay, up to her neck.
Under her feet were human heads, above her human hands flew like locusts.

In her sensuous delight she decorated herself with suspended (human) heads while
she attached (human) hands to her girdle.

Her joy at the butchery is described in even more sadistic language. Her liver swelled
with laughter, her heart was full of joy, the liver of Anath (was full of) exultation.

Afterwards Anath was satisfied and washed her hands in human gore before
proceeding to other occupations.
End quote.

The above quote regarding Anath is from Is God A Moral Monster: Making Sense
Of The Old Testament God, by Paul Copan, page 159

So?

So the following seems very reasonable . . . .

"However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an
inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy
them-the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites-as
the LORD your God has commanded you. Otherwise, they will teach you
to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and
you will sin against the LORD your God. __Deuteronomy 20:16-18

. . . . . in light of:
The Sins Of The Canaanites: Blood-Lust, Murder, Incest, Sex With Animals.


`

great post full of excellent info - thanks so much

 

[JAG ..]

great post full of excellent info - thanks so much

"great post full of excellent info - thanks so much"___Truthfrees

Y'welcome.
Truthfrees, thank you for reading my Opening Post and for your
comment.

`

 

[jasonc]

Egypt also did things like this ,and Babylon and Rome,Greece

 

[daninthelionsden]

The Canaanites Were Not Salvageable --- They Had Sunk To The Very Bottom
On The Immorality Scale:
{A} Cold Blooded Murder.
{B} Incest With Close Family Members.
{C} Murdered Their Own Children {Molech}.
{D} Blood-Lust Gory Murder Religious Ceremonies.
{E} Sex With Animals.
God's purpose was to get rid of all that up there and replace it with the
religion of the nation of Israel which prohibited all such vile sins.

"The Lord said to Moses, speak to the Israelites and say to them,
You must not do as they do in the land of Canaan where I am bringing
you. Do not follow their practices." Leviticus 18:1-3

"Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways {listed in Leviticus 18:6-23}
because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you
became defiled."

"For all these things were done by the people who lived in the land
before you" Leviticus 18:27

". . . the detestable customs that were practiced before you came"
Leviticus 18:30

So what were they doing that was so bad?

Here is the list of the sins of the Canaanites:

(1) They were having sex with their close family members.
Leviticus 18:6

(2) They were having sex with their mothers.
Leviticus 18:7

(3) They were having sex with their sisters.
Leviticus 18:9

(4) They were having sex with their grandchildren.
Leviticus 18:10

(5) They were having sex with their aunts.
Leviticus 18:14

(6) They were having sex with their daughters-in law.
Leviticus 18:15

(7) They were having sex with their brother's wife.
Leviticus 18:16

( 8 ] They were having sex with their neighbor's wife..
Leviticus 18:20

(9) They were having homosexual sex.
Leviticus 18:22

(10) They were giving their children to be murdered in sacrifice to Molech.
Leviticus 18:21

Now The Canaanites Had Sunk To Bestiality.

(11) The Canaanites were having sex with animals.
Leviticus 18:23

(12) Their women were specifically mentioned as having sex with animals.
Leviticus 18:23

There was a total of 6 tribes that were practicing (1) through (12) up there:

Hittites
Amorites
Canaanites
Perizzites
Hivites
Jebusites
All 6 tribes are generally referred to as the "Canaanites."
Deuteronomy 20:16-18

The command of God to the Israelites in Deuteronomy 20:16 "do not leave alive
anything that breathes" was applicable only to these 6 tribes that were practicing
(1) through (12) listed up-post. All the other many tribes and cities that were living
at a distance from the Canaanites were to be offered an opportunity to make peace
with the Israelites and were never the object of total annihilation as was the 6 totally
corrupt Canaanite nations.

See Deuteronomy 20:11 and Deuteronomy 20:15 on the offer of peace to be
made to the nations living at a distance from the Canaanites. The reason for
the offer of peace was that these nations living at a distance from the
Canaanites were morally salvageable and they were accordingly shown
mercy if they would agree to make peace with the Israelites.

Repeat . . .
The Canaanites Were Not Salvageable --- They Had Sunk To The Very Bottom
Of The Immorality Scale:
{A} Cold Blooded Murder.
{B} Incest With Close Family Members.
{C} Murdered Their Own Children {Molech}
{D} Blood-Lust Gory Murder Religious Ceremonies.
{E} Sex With Animals.

"washed her hands in human gore" . . . .

Start quote.
Consider the bloodlust and violence of the Canaanite deity Anath, the patroness
of both war and sex.

The late archaeologist William Albright describes the Canaanite deity Anath's
massacre in the following gory scene.

The blood was so deep that she waded in it up to her knees -- nay, up to her neck.
Under her feet were human heads, above her human hands flew like locusts.

In her sensuous delight she decorated herself with suspended (human) heads while
she attached (human) hands to her girdle.

Her joy at the butchery is described in even more sadistic language. Her liver swelled
with laughter, her heart was full of joy, the liver of Anath (was full of) exultation.

Afterwards Anath was satisfied and washed her hands in human gore before
proceeding to other occupations.
End quote.

The above quote regarding Anath is from Is God A Moral Monster: Making Sense
Of The Old Testament God, by Paul Copan, page 159

So?

So the following seems very reasonable . . . .

"However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an
inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy
them-the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites-as
the LORD your God has commanded you. Otherwise, they will teach you
to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and
you will sin against the LORD your God. __Deuteronomy 20:16-18

. . . . . in light of:
The Sins Of The Canaanites: Blood-Lust, Murder, Incest, Sex With Animals.


`

Sounds like you're describing the Episcopalianites.

 

[JAG ..]

Sounds like you're describing the Episcopalianites.

"Sounds like you're describing the Episcopalianites"___Daninthelionsden

■ /Big Grin
■ I know they are liberals.
■ I understand why you say that --- I've read some of your posts.
■ However the "Episcopaliantes" as you call them, have never done
{A} {C} {D} {E} -- I don't know if they have, or have not, done {B}?

"{A} Cold Blooded Murder.
{B} Incest With Close Family Members.
{C} Murdered Their Own Children {Molech}
{D} Blood-Lust Gory Murder Religious Ceremonies.
{E} Sex With Animals."___From The Opening Post.
__________

'Course, you wuz probably just kidding around.

`

 

[humble soul]

Ok so they slipped up . We all do. All is forgiven. They said "sorry" didn't they? Who among us can cast the first stone?

 

[JAG ..]

Ok so they slipped up . We all do. All is forgiven. They said "sorry" didn't they? Who among us can cast the first stone?

"Ok so they slipped up . We all do. All is forgiven. They said "sorry"
didn't they? Who among us can cast the first stone?"___Humble Soul

Fascinating.
Who slipped up?
Who said they were sorry?

`

 

[daninthelionsden]

"Sounds like you're describing the Episcopalianites"___Daninthelionsden

■ /Big Grin
■ I know they are liberals.
■ I understand why you say that --- I've read some of your posts.
■ However the "Episcopaliantes" as you call them, have never done
{A} {C} {D} {E} -- I don't know if they have, or have not, done {B}?

"{A} Cold Blooded Murder.
{B} Incest With Close Family Members.
{C} Murdered Their Own Children {Molech}
{D} Blood-Lust Gory Murder Religious Ceremonies.
{E} Sex With Animals."___From The Opening Post.
__________

'Course, you wuz probably just kidding around.

`

The Episcopal Church contains those who declare themselves conservatives as well (George Bush & wife most notably) hence the conservative wing of the Episcopal Church. They throw their net far and wide.
Well let's see:
A: My youngest son was hit with a massive case of H-Pylori which deleted 1/3 of his body mass dropping him to 86 lbs. making him the shortest of his siblings. I watched him waste away in front of my eyes as he was denied medical care. He endured 5 years of liquid diet. Only prayer from the saints on the forum saved him as we immediately received meds through a backdoor source and the scar tissue fell from his esophagus and he can once again eat solid food. Did the Episcopal Church order that? On the Day of the Lord all will be made known.
B: Absolutely, my mother and brother practiced incest for decades. This was rampant inside as well as outside the church. It probably still is.
C: My illegitimate birth brought me into the hands of a hostile "dad" who placed my naked body on a bare bed under an A/C window unit installed directly at the head of my bed(only A/C unit in the house mind you). I was told by my mother that a life insurance policy of $100k was placed on me because I was "special" and no such policy was on my siblings.
D: I neither know nor witnessed that.
E: My mother(I won't describe it)

 

[GodsGrace]

The Canaanites Were Not Salvageable --- They Had Sunk To The Very Bottom
On The Immorality Scale:
{A} Cold Blooded Murder.
{B} Incest With Close Family Members.
{C} Murdered Their Own Children {Molech}.
{D} Blood-Lust Gory Murder Religious Ceremonies.
{E} Sex With Animals.
God's purpose was to get rid of all that up there and replace it with the
religion of the nation of Israel which prohibited all such vile sins.

"The Lord said to Moses, speak to the Israelites and say to them,
You must not do as they do in the land of Canaan where I am bringing
you. Do not follow their practices." Leviticus 18:1-3

"Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways {listed in Leviticus 18:6-23}
because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you
became defiled."

"For all these things were done by the people who lived in the land
before you" Leviticus 18:27

". . . the detestable customs that were practiced before you came"
Leviticus 18:30

So what were they doing that was so bad?

Here is the list of the sins of the Canaanites:

(1) They were having sex with their close family members.
Leviticus 18:6

(2) They were having sex with their mothers.
Leviticus 18:7

(3) They were having sex with their sisters.
Leviticus 18:9

(4) They were having sex with their grandchildren.
Leviticus 18:10

(5) They were having sex with their aunts.
Leviticus 18:14

(6) They were having sex with their daughters-in law.
Leviticus 18:15

(7) They were having sex with their brother's wife.
Leviticus 18:16

( 8 ] They were having sex with their neighbor's wife..
Leviticus 18:20

(9) They were having homosexual sex.
Leviticus 18:22

(10) They were giving their children to be murdered in sacrifice to Molech.
Leviticus 18:21

Now The Canaanites Had Sunk To Bestiality.

(11) The Canaanites were having sex with animals.
Leviticus 18:23

(12) Their women were specifically mentioned as having sex with animals.
Leviticus 18:23

There was a total of 6 tribes that were practicing (1) through (12) up there:

Hittites
Amorites
Canaanites
Perizzites
Hivites
Jebusites
All 6 tribes are generally referred to as the "Canaanites."
Deuteronomy 20:16-18

The command of God to the Israelites in Deuteronomy 20:16 "do not leave alive
anything that breathes" was applicable only to these 6 tribes that were practicing
(1) through (12) listed up-post. All the other many tribes and cities that were living
at a distance from the Canaanites were to be offered an opportunity to make peace
with the Israelites and were never the object of total annihilation as was the 6 totally
corrupt Canaanite nations.

See Deuteronomy 20:11 and Deuteronomy 20:15 on the offer of peace to be
made to the nations living at a distance from the Canaanites. The reason for
the offer of peace was that these nations living at a distance from the
Canaanites were morally salvageable and they were accordingly shown
mercy if they would agree to make peace with the Israelites.

Repeat . . .
The Canaanites Were Not Salvageable --- They Had Sunk To The Very Bottom
Of The Immorality Scale:
{A} Cold Blooded Murder.
{B} Incest With Close Family Members.
{C} Murdered Their Own Children {Molech}
{D} Blood-Lust Gory Murder Religious Ceremonies.
{E} Sex With Animals.

"washed her hands in human gore" . . . .

Start quote.
Consider the bloodlust and violence of the Canaanite deity Anath, the patroness
of both war and sex.

The late archaeologist William Albright describes the Canaanite deity Anath's
massacre in the following gory scene.

The blood was so deep that she waded in it up to her knees -- nay, up to her neck.
Under her feet were human heads, above her human hands flew like locusts.

In her sensuous delight she decorated herself with suspended (human) heads while
she attached (human) hands to her girdle.

Her joy at the butchery is described in even more sadistic language. Her liver swelled
with laughter, her heart was full of joy, the liver of Anath (was full of) exultation.

Afterwards Anath was satisfied and washed her hands in human gore before
proceeding to other occupations.
End quote.

The above quote regarding Anath is from Is God A Moral Monster: Making Sense
Of The Old Testament God, by Paul Copan, page 159

So?

So the following seems very reasonable . . . .

"However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an
inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy
them-the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites-as
the LORD your God has commanded you. Otherwise, they will teach you
to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and
you will sin against the LORD your God. __Deuteronomy 20:16-18

. . . . . in light of:
The Sins Of The Canaanites: Blood-Lust, Murder, Incest, Sex With Animals.


`

Why did you start this thread?

 

[JAG ..]

Why did you start this thread?

"Why did you start this thread?"___Wondering

Wondering, thanks for the question.
Good question.
Here is the answer:
All across the Internet At Large on Forums and video sharing
websites, there are large numbers of atheists that attack
the God of the Bible and accuse Him of being a moral monster
because He gave the order to His chosen people the Israelites
to "completely destroy" the Canaanites and "do not leave alive
anything that breathes" { Deuteronomy 20:16-18 }.-- this includes
babies and small children --- so these atheists accuse the God of
the Bible of commanding the Israelites to kill innocent babies and
small children. These atheists then say the God of the Bible is evil
and a moral monster because He commanded His people to kill
innocent babies and small children. My Opening Post defends the
God of the Bible and explains in detail why God had a perfect
moral right to command the complete destruction of the Canaanites
-- as I explained in my closing paragraph, where I said this:

JAG Wrote:
So the following seems very reasonable . . . .

"However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an
inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy
them-the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites-as
the LORD your God has commanded you. Otherwise, they will teach you
to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and
you will sin against the LORD your God. __Deuteronomy 20:16-18

. . . . . in light of:
The Sins Of The Canaanites: Blood-Lust, Murder, Incest, Sex With Animals.
___JAG
End quote

____________

I think it would be helpful to "deep read" my entire Opening Post to
actually "get the feel" of just how evil the Canaanites had become. If you
"deep read" it slow and thoughtfully --- you can "get the feel" of it,
and better understand why the Canaanites had sunk to the very bottom
on the Immorality Scale.

__________

Wondering, there is a daily vicious war taking place on the Internet At large
in Forums and in all Social Media including video sharing websites where
the atheists viciously attack the God of the Bible as being a moral monster.
Paul Copan, a Christian apologist wrote a defense of the God of the Bible
titled "Is God A Moral Monster? : Making Sense Of The Old Testament God."

A large number of other Christian apologists also daily write articles defending
the God of the Bible and defending Christianity from daily vicious attacks. You
might ask, what kind of attacks? Here is one example:

Please read this paragraph carefully:
The vicious atheist Richard Dawkins Writes:
“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant
character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust,
unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser;
a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal,
pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously
malevolent bully.” ― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

I hope I am making myself clear. I think I am.

Wondering, these atheists are called the "New Atheists" --- there are
4 of them. Their names are:
{1} Richard Dawkins
{2} Sam Harris
{3} Daniel Dennett
{4} Christopher Hitchens {Who died, yet still speaks evil through his books
and videos.
■ You can add Matt Dillahunty {all over You Tube}
■ Then you can add the tens of thousands of their fellow-atheists who buy and
read their books and then push forward their anti-Christian message on all
Social Media all over the Internet 24/7/365.

Wondering, if you have any more questions, I will be glad to give you my best
answers. Also please post any comments you may have on this subject.

______________

One more point:
The adults in these 6 nations were morally responsible for what happened
to their innocent babies and innocent small children. A nation of adults
cannot sink to Blood-Lust, Murder, Incest, and Having Sex With Animals
and then, in effect, say to God, "You can't destroy us because if you do, you
will also destroy our innocent babies and innocent small children."
Just as the adults in Nazi Germany in 1939 -1945, who embraced and
followed Adolph Hitler, could not say to The Allies, "You cannot bomb
our homeland because we have innocent babies and innocent small
children here in our homeland and if you kill us, you will also kill them."

It don't work that way. Adults are responsible for what happens to their
innocent babies and innocent small children. You can think of other
examples --- like pregnant soon-to-be-mothers who use their Free Will
to choose to consume tobacco, alcohol, and drugs ---which does harm
to their innocent unborn babies who may come to suffer greatly their
entire lives due to the Free Will choices made by their mothers during
pregnancy. Same thing, in principle, with the Canaanites.

`

 

[JAG ..]

Why did you start this thread?

"Why did you start this thread?"___Wondering

Wondering, in addition to my explanatory post below answering your
question, if you have a moment, please read my Opening Post titled:
"Alvin Plantinga's Free Will Defense Regarding The Problem Of Evil"
here:

Alvin Plantinga's Free Will Defense Regarding The Problem Of Evil:

Alvin Plantinga is a highly respected analytic Christian philosopher. _________ Man's Free Will is responsible for all the evil in the would. God created a perfect world. God created perfect human beings. God gave human beings a Free Will. Human beings used their Free Will to choose to do evil...

christianforums.net

I think you will find this Opening Post interesting, in light of your question
up there.

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[GodsGrace]

"Why did you start this thread?"___Wondering

Wondering, in addition to my explanatory post below answering your
question, if you have a moment, please read my Opening Post titled:
"Alvin Plantinga's Free Will Defense Regarding The Problem Of Evil"
here:

Alvin Plantinga's Free Will Defense Regarding The Problem Of Evil:

Alvin Plantinga is a highly respected analytic Christian philosopher. _________ Man's Free Will is responsible for all the evil in the would. God created a perfect world. God created perfect human beings. God gave human beings a Free Will. Human beings used their Free Will to choose to do evil...

christianforums.net

I think you will find this Opening Post interesting, in light of your question
up there.

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Alvin Plantinga doesn't explain how humans cause tornadoes or hurricanes or landslides, etc.

I do not agree with him...
His answer is too simplistic.

There is NO ANSWER for the problem of evil.

 

[GodsGrace]

"Why did you start this thread?"___Wondering

Wondering, thanks for the question.
Good question.
Here is the answer:
All across the Internet At Large on Forums and video sharing
websites, there are large numbers of atheists that attack
the God of the Bible and accuse Him of being a moral monster
because He gave the order to His chosen people the Israelites
to "completely destroy" the Canaanites and "do not leave alive
anything that breathes" { Deuteronomy 20:16-18 }.-- this includes
babies and small children --- so these atheists accuse the God of
the Bible of commanding the Israelites to kill innocent babies and
small children. These atheists then say the God of the Bible is evil
and a moral monster because He commanded His people to kill
innocent babies and small children. My Opening Post defends the
God of the Bible and explains in detail why God had a perfect
moral right to command the complete destruction of the Canaanites
-- as I explained in my closing paragraph, where I said this:

JAG Wrote:
So the following seems very reasonable . . . .

"However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an
inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy
them-the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites-as
the LORD your God has commanded you. Otherwise, they will teach you
to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and
you will sin against the LORD your God. __Deuteronomy 20:16-18

. . . . . in light of:
The Sins Of The Canaanites: Blood-Lust, Murder, Incest, Sex With Animals.
___JAG
End quote

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I think it would be helpful to "deep read" my entire Opening Post to
actually "get the feel" of just how evil the Canaanites had become. If you
"deep read" it slow and thoughtfully --- you can "get the feel" of it,
and better understand why the Canaanites had sunk to the very bottom
on the Immorality Scale.

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Wondering, there is a daily vicious war taking place on the Internet At large
in Forums and in all Social Media including video sharing websites where
the atheists viciously attack the God of the Bible as being a moral monster.
Paul Copan, a Christian apologist wrote a defense of the God of the Bible
titled "Is God A Moral Monster? : Making Sense Of The Old Testament God."

A large number of other Christian apologists also daily write articles defending
the God of the Bible and defending Christianity from daily vicious attacks. You
might ask, what kind of attacks? Here is one example:

Please read this paragraph carefully:
The vicious atheist Richard Dawkins Writes:
“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant
character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust,
unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser;
a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal,
pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously
malevolent bully.” ― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

I hope I am making myself clear. I think I am.

Wondering, these atheists are called the "New Atheists" --- there are
4 of them. Their names are:
{1} Richard Dawkins
{2} Sam Harris
{3} Daniel Dennett
{4} Christopher Hitchens {Who died, yet still speaks evil through his books
and videos.
■ You can add Matt Dillahunty {all over You Tube}
■ Then you can add the tens of thousands of their fellow-atheists who buy and
read their books and then push forward their anti-Christian message on all
Social Media all over the Internet 24/7/365.

Wondering, if you have any more questions, I will be glad to give you my best
answers. Also please post any comments you may have on this subject.

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One more point:
The adults in these 6 nations were morally responsible for what happened
to their innocent babies and innocent small children. A nation of adults
cannot sink to Blood-Lust, Murder, Incest, and Having Sex With Animals
and then, in effect, say to God, "You can't destroy us because if you do, you
will also destroy our innocent babies and innocent small children."
Just as the adults in Nazi Germany in 1939 -1945, who embraced and
followed Adolph Hitler, could not say to The Allies, "You cannot bomb
our homeland because we have innocent babies and innocent small
children here in our homeland and if you kill us, you will also kill them."

It don't work that way. Adults are responsible for what happens to their
innocent babies and innocent small children. You can think of other
examples --- like pregnant soon-to-be-mothers who use their Free Will
to choose to consume tobacco, alcohol, and drugs ---which does harm
to their innocent unborn babies who may come to suffer greatly their
entire lives due to the Free Will choices made by their mothers during
pregnancy. Same thing, in principle, with the Canaanites.

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Hey JAG,,,,
Two comments:

1. I know all of the above.

2. I have plenty to say on the O.T., but most will not agree with my theological beliefs.
(which means....not MY beliefs, but those I agree with).

 

[JAG ..]

Alvin Plantinga doesn't explain how humans cause tornadoes or hurricanes or landslides, etc.

I do not agree with him...
His answer is too simplistic.

There is NO ANSWER for the problem of evil.

"Alvin Plantinga doesn't explain how humans cause
tornadoes or hurricanes or landslides, etc.
I do not agree with him...
His answer is too simplistic.
There is NO ANSWER for the problem of evil."___Wondering

Wondering,
Regarding The Problem Of Evil:
Regarding "tornadoes or hurricanes or landslides":
The Biblical answer found in Genesis 3 is as follows.
{1} God created a perfect world.
{2} God created perfect human beings.
{3} Human beings used their Free Will to choose to sin.
{4} The Sin Principle then entered and ruined the perfect creation.

{5} God then placed a Curse on human beings.
{a{ aging
{b} pain in child-bearing
{c} he shall rule over she . . . Genesis 3:16
{d} wars {eg. WW1 and WW2 with un-told millions slaughtered}
{e} present day riots, looting, burning buildings
{f} crime galore {murder, rape, assault, robbery, }
{g} death

{6} God then placed a Curse on the Earth which explains all the following:
{a} tornadoes
{b} hurricanes
{c} landslides
{d} Tsunamis
{e} earthquakes
{f} animal suffering {What the atheist William Rowe calls "surplus suffering."}


My view is that Genesis 3 clearly teaches, in principle, all the above.

Agree?

_______________

Regarding The Problem Of Evil:

But all is well that ends well, and here is how it all ends:

"And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Look! God's dwelling
place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be
his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will
wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death' or mourning
or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
____Revelation 21:3-4

What say you?



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[JAG ..]

Hey JAG,,,,
Two comments:

1. I know all of the above.

2. I have plenty to say on the O.T., but most will not agree with my theological beliefs.
(which means....not MY beliefs, but those I agree with).

"Hey JAG,,,,}____Wondering

Hello. /smile

"I know all of the above."___Wondering

Okay, but if so, I'm wondering why Wondering asked me
"Why did you start this thread?
(I couldn't resist the pun} /GRIN

" I have plenty to say on the O.T., but most will not agree with my
theological beliefs. (which means....not MY beliefs, but those I agree with).___Wondering

I'm "all ears" tell me what's on your mind, if you want to.


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[GodsGrace]

"Alvin Plantinga doesn't explain how humans cause
tornadoes or hurricanes or landslides, etc.
I do not agree with him...
His answer is too simplistic.
There is NO ANSWER for the problem of evil."___Wondering

Wondering,
Regarding The Problem Of Evil:
Regarding "tornadoes or hurricanes or landslides":
The Biblical answer found in Genesis 3 is as follows.
{1} God created a perfect world.
{2} God created perfect human beings.
{3} Human beings used their Free Will to choose to sin.
{4} The Sin Principle then entered and ruined the perfect creation.

{5} God then placed a Curse on human beings.
{a{ aging
{b} pain in child-bearing
{c} he shall rule over she . . . Genesis 3:16
{d} wars {eg. WW1 and WW2 with un-told millions slaughtered}
{e} present day riots, looting, burning buildings
{f} crime galore {murder, rape, assault, robbery, }
{g} death

{6} God then placed a Curse on the Earth which explains all the following:
{a} tornadoes
{b} hurricanes
{c} landslides
{d} Tsunamis
{e} earthquakes
{f} animal suffering {What the atheist William Rowe calls "surplus suffering."}


My view is that Genesis 3 clearly teaches, in principle, all the above.

Agree?

_______________

Regarding The Problem Of Evil:

But all is well that ends well, and here is how it all ends:

"And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Look! God's dwelling
place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be
his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will
wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death' or mourning
or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
____Revelation 21:3-4

What say you?



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Yes,,,I agree with the above.
Plantinga seems to blame humans for all evil.

 

[GodsGrace]

"Hey JAG,,,,}____Wondering

Hello. /smile

"I know all of the above."___Wondering

Okay, but if so, I'm wondering why Wondering asked me
"Why did you start this thread?
(I couldn't resist the pun} /GRIN

" I have plenty to say on the O.T., but most will not agree with my
theological beliefs. (which means....not MY beliefs, but those I agree with).___Wondering

I'm "all ears" tell me what's on your mind, if you want to.


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Well, I couldn't figure out why you started such a thread...you did not explain, after all.

Your reason was a very good one.
I too have come across these atheists.
I know all the persons you've mentioned.
I don't really understand why they hate §Christians so much...
Dawkins said he'd like to erradicate Christianity from the face of the earth.
(or was it all religion? Same difference).

As to the O.T.....
Not everyone takes the story of Adam and Eve literally.
Not everyone believes the earth was made in 6 days.
Many theologians, I should say, do not.
Many believe the O.T. was written at least 3,500 to 4,000 years ago.
Do we understand what this means?
This was the bronze age.
The beginning of writing.
Maybe the Hebrews were chosen because they were so good at passing down stories from
generation to generation.
Many do not believe that God wrote the O.T. as some fundamentalists believe.
Many understand that the O.T. was INSPIRED by God.
And that all events were attributed to Him...whether or not HE gave the command.
Recently, God told me to get back to church....did I hear His voice? Am I sure it was Him?

That's all I'll say.
One understands or does not.

I DO believe the bible is the word of God...

 

[jasonc]

Well, I couldn't figure out why you started such a thread...you did not explain, after all.

Your reason was a very good one.
I too have come across these atheists.
I know all the persons you've mentioned.
I don't really understand why they hate §Christians so much...
Dawkins said he'd like to erradicate Christianity from the face of the earth.
(or was it all religion? Same difference).

As to the O.T.....
Not everyone takes the story of Adam and Eve literally.
Not everyone believes the earth was made in 6 days.
Many theologians, I should say, do not.
Many believe the O.T. was written at least 3,500 to 4,000 years ago.
Do we understand what this means?
This was the bronze age.
The beginning of writing.
Maybe the Hebrews were chosen because they were so good at passing down stories from
generation to generation.
Many do not believe that God wrote the O.T. as some fundamentalists believe.
Many understand that the O.T. was INSPIRED by God.
And that all events were attributed to Him...whether or not HE gave the command.
Recently, God told me to get back to church....did I hear His voice? Am I sure it was Him?

That's all I'll say.
One understands or does not.

I DO believe the bible is the word of God...

We in,America have much of these sins that God cursed nations for

Want incest,click on porn its there
Want homosexual acts ,yup that too
And so on

 

[JAG ..]

Well, I couldn't figure out why you started such a thread...you did not explain, after all.

Your reason was a very good one.
I too have come across these atheists.
I know all the persons you've mentioned.
I don't really understand why they hate §Christians so much...
Dawkins said he'd like to erradicate Christianity from the face of the earth.
(or was it all religion? Same difference).

As to the O.T.....
Not everyone takes the story of Adam and Eve literally.
Not everyone believes the earth was made in 6 days.
Many theologians, I should say, do not.
Many believe the O.T. was written at least 3,500 to 4,000 years ago.
Do we understand what this means?
This was the bronze age.
The beginning of writing.
Maybe the Hebrews were chosen because they were so good at passing down stories from
generation to generation.
Many do not believe that God wrote the O.T. as some fundamentalists believe.
Many understand that the O.T. was INSPIRED by God.
And that all events were attributed to Him...whether or not HE gave the command.
Recently, God told me to get back to church....did I hear His voice? Am I sure it was Him?

That's all I'll say.
One understands or does not.

I DO believe the bible is the word of God...

Wondering,
I read all that you wrote very carefully. I understand what you're saying.
Thanks for taking the time to write that up.
_____________

Regarding Plantinga blaming humans for all sin:
I don't think there is any alternative. I can't think of
any other possible candidates to blame 'cause of
that Free Will thingy. Free Will just won't "go quietly
into that good night" -- it always keeps on popping up
as the explanation to The Problem Of Evil.

Guess what the standard atheist answer is to Plantinga's
Free Will Defense? They usually say the following:
{1} God created Heaven.
{2} God created Heaven sin free.
{4} God gave the people in Heaven a Free Will.
{5} Otherwise the people in Heaven are like mechanical robots.
{6} If God did all the above in Heaven, he could have done the
same here on Earth
{7} God did not do the same here on Earth.
{8} Therefore God is evil and Plantinga is refuted.
Now they are incorrect when they say that up there.

And there ARE answers to {1} -- {8} up there, but they are Biblical
answers which requires FAITH. But atheists reject FAITH and they reject
the Bible as being true and they will accuse you of making a "circular
argument" if you appeal to the Bible as the basis of your reasoning.
So?
So . . .
At the end of the day, when all is said and done, it reduces to this:

"And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone
who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards
those who earnestly seek him. Hebrews 11:6

"Have faith in God"__The Lord Jesus Mark 11:22

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