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Bible Study The Soul in the Bible

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It is important that before we talk about whether saints can be conscious is heaven or the wicked in hell, or whether the wicked will burn eternally, we must look at the views the scripture has on the ‘soul’ and the ‘spirit’. The reason this is important is that what we believe on these topics will affect how we look at the doctrine of hell and the immortality of the soul. The whole scripture will be effected by what view we take to it. It is important then, that we understand how the Bible uses these terms.

A) THE NATURE OF MAN

I. The Soul in the Bible

Definition: In the Bible, "soul" is translated from the Hebrew “nepheshâ€Â, and the Greek “psucheâ€Â. To many people "soul" means the immaterial or spirit part of a human being that survives the death of the physical body. But this view is not what the Bible teaches.

And the Lord God formed man out of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul. - Genesis 2:7,8

Notice that it says that man “became†a living soul. Not that man has one.
The word soul means ‘person, being’ and in some cases ‘life’. We say the poem “Old King Cole was a merry old soul†and the phrase “There’s not a soul aroundâ€Â. Nowhere in the scriptures is this soul immortal. Rather:

The soul that sinneth shall die – Ezekiel 18:20

More modern translations say this, “It is the man who sins who will dieâ€Â. This is because the whole person was a soul. The Bible definition for soul is varied. In some places it speaks of the soul as a living person, in other places as the life of an individual, and in other places it refers to animals. The soul is also used to express the emotion, love or affection of an individual. Nowhere is the term used to indicate a separate entity or conscious existence after death.

What happens when the ‘soul sins and dies�

His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish – Psalms 146:4

For the living know that they shall die, but the dead know not anything. Neither have they anymore a reward for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, hatred and envy is now perished…Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might. For there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom in the grave, where you go – Ecclesiastes 9:5,6,10

His sons come to honor, and he knoweth it not, and they are brought low, but he perceiveth it not of them – Job 14:21

The concept of an immortal soul was foreign to the Hebrews. Man was a wholistic being, a composite made up of parts that were all dependant of the other. Body, breath (spirit) which gives life (becomes a soul)

But what about Genesis 35:18?

And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing (for she died) that she called his name Benoni

And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing (for she died) that she called his name Benoni

When the OT says that 'her soul was departing', it means that her 'life left her'. This is reiterated in the addendum "for she died". You cannot take a foreign view and try to interpret it into verse.

The NT is not any different. Rather we see that the hope of eternal life was dependent on the resurrection, and not on a soul surviving death (1 Corinthians 15; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-16; 1I Timothy 4:6-8; John 6:40-47; John 5:28,29; Job 14:12,13; Daniel 12:2)

We also see from these verses and others that rewards are given at the end of time and not at death (Revelation 22:12; Matthew 13:40-42; II Peter 3:7; II Peter 2:9; Job 21:30,32). Wicked souls cannot be tormented for there sins now if they are in their graves awaiting their judicial punishment for those sins. Do do so does not make God a fair, just God. It also contradicts scripture and finds no support (other than, seemingly, ONE parable in Luke 16 which many take as absolute gospel)

Other than two or three ambiguous texts, taken out of context and not used in conjuction with the rest of scripture, there is no indication that man survives death until the resurrection in the NT. You cannot take one or two texts and base a theology around it when the rest of scripture is saying something else. The Bible must be taken in totality and used to explain itself.
 
1. Is the nature of man tri-partite (Spirit & soul & body)?

Or

2. Bi-partite (Spirit/soul & body) ?

3. Is there a difference between soul that is in animal's and soul that is in mankind?

4. What is the difference, if any?

5. What is the spirit of man? Is soul and spirit interchangeable?

The Latent Power Of The Soul

http://www.worldinvisible.com/library/n ... 0634.c.htm

The Cross & The New Man

http://www.austin-sparks.net/images/diagram7.html

http://www.austin-sparks.net/english/books/001344.html

T. Austin Sparks Audio

http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?S ... tin-Sparks

What Is Man?

http://bobsc5.home.comcast.net/life/tas_wim/wim00.html


God through Christ has bridged the gap between Himself and us and has given us the job of also bridging the gap. God was in Christ hugging the world to Himself. He no longer keeps tracks of mens sin's....

http://www.savioroftheworld.net/music/Third%20Day.htm
 
The soul does not, however, represent a divine, immortal, undying part of the human being after death as the Greeks often thought. Paul, thus, avoids the word soul in connection with eternal life.


According to the Bible, a human being exists as a whole unit and remains also as a whole person in the hand of God after death. A person is not at any time viewed as a bodiless soul.

http://www.studylight.org/dic/hbd/view.cgi?number=T5974
 
StoveBolts said:
GuiBox (NO URIST)
Does this in anyway tie into Ezekiel 37? If so, would you elaborate?

It doesn't matter, SteveBolts, they will come anyway... :-D

'Dem bones, dem bones, dem DRY bones, now hear da word of da Looooorrrrd...."

Actually Ezekiel 37 is a good example of what 'spirit' is. In this vision we have obviously dead people. They are given life by the 'spirit' of God (vs 5). When this occured at Ezekiel's command, life and body was given to the bones. This spirit is 'ruach' which means 'wind', 'breath'. It is the spark that gives life. The electricity to the light bulb, you could say.

This is what occured at creation. God "breathed into Adam's nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul" BODY (DUST) + BREATH (SPIRIT) = SOUL (LIFE/PERSON). When man dies, this process goes in reverse. The body dies, the life (consciousness) dies and the spirit (life force) returns to God who gave it. Creation anew will occur at the resurrection when Christ comes and gives that spirit or spark of life back into the corpses of man.

Then immortality and incorruption are given to man and death is swallowed up in victory and victory over the grave has been won. (1 Corinthians 15:51-55)

This 'spirit' is not the 'soul', neither is it immortal
 
Thanks for the response!
I'm going to scream though!! I just posted a question about 1 co 15... on the other thread...

Ok, so lets keep it here if you don't mind. Answer my question here that I posted there :-D Or, you could take lessons on copy and paste :o (snicker...)
 
StoveBolts said:
Ohh, just to clear one thing up really quick, Could you take a peak at this thread?

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=12672
:crying:

Heh? Are you asking for my opinion on your camaro? (looks nice!) Did I get your name wrong?

Perhaps you put the wrong link in?

As far as 1 Corinthians 15 goes, you could remove all the other evidence that man doesn't have an immortal soul and you should have no problems believing that man does not have immortality right now, if all you had was this chapter to go with. This chapter makes it plain that man is wholistic (if you don't bring in the assumption that man that there is a soul/body split) and that eternal life is realized in the resurrection, not at death.
 
Your calling me stevebolts... Why do people do that? Next thing I know, they start calling me steve...?

As far as the rest of your post, I'll take a look at it later... very busy morning...

Cheers.
 
the soul not immortal

I agree with you guibox, with all you have pointed out. It may not be as correct as some would have it, but I can substitute "being" for "soul" with no trouble.

Another explanation of "soul" might be this: "Soul is the consciousness, the feelings, the desires produced by the breath of life vitalizing the body."
From Death, Resurrection, Immortality by Joseph E. Kirk

Thus, no one apart from his feelings, his senses, could enjoy the blessings to come for the righteous. Learning this, some troublesome verses were cleared up. For instance: Matt. 10:28, "..do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in Geheena."
 
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