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The Spirit of Islam - who is it?

Quath said:
Sounds like you are using the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. People in jail roughly correspond to the general population. Since Christians are more common in the general population, they are more common in the prison as well.

Or do you think that no Christians commit crimes? Like would a priest molest a boy? Or a preacher pay for a hooker?

Quath

Many would question whether or not "Priests" are christians anyway!

Also, there aren't many preists in jail!
 
"When Randolph Churchill, son of Sir Winston, was irritating his friends by talking too much, they bet him he could not stay quiet for a week. Churchill, a compulsive gambler, thought he could win the bet by reading the Bible, but after a few pages exploded uncontrollably, "God! God's a s**t!" and promptly lost the bet."



(A.Waugh)
 
Gary_Bee said:
This thread is about the spirit of Islam.

We have already shown you that you are wrong about the OT.

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/objedex.html


Keep on topic.


http://www.christian-thinktank.com/qamorite.html

(the genocide link, from the URL that you gave)


"There were restrictions on how Israelite men treated female war captives (from distant nations)--Deut 12.10ff:

When you go to war against your enemies and the LORD your God delivers them into your hands and you take captives, 11 if you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may take her as your wife. 12 Bring her into your home and have her shave her head, trim her nails 13 and put aside the clothes she was wearing when captured. After she has lived in your house and mourned her father and mother for a full month, then you may go to her and be her husband and she shall be your wife. 14 If you are not pleased with her, let her go wherever she wishes. You must not sell her or treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored her.

[Scholars have noted that this was an unparalleled benevolence toward women, in ANE warfare."


Whether or not this was an "unparalleled benevolence" at the time, it does seem rather sick that God gave permission to rape.
 
Mohammed freely admitted that allah came from his imagination. Mohammed himself has ADMITTED that allah is an imaginary God! So why don't the Muslims believe Mohammed? Don't they think he was telling the truth? A house divided against itself simply cannot stand.
 
Gary_Bee said:
THE SPIRIT OF ISLAM
New York, Madrid, Beslan

by Silas

The world is awakening to true Islam. Even Muslims are now questioning and admitting the dark aspects of their faith. The world tastes Islam’s fruit and spits it out. Throughout the world devout Muslim men and women dedicate their lives to fly planes into buildings, blow up trains, murder little children, and butcher humanity in various ways.

Hardly a week goes by without yet another fresh atrocity committed by these devout Muslims. These men spend months, if not years, planning these attacks. They know full well that they would or could possibly die, not in committing suicide, but as brave Muslim soldiers giving their lives for Allah in jihad.

Have you wondered, "What drives these Muslims to commit these horrible crimes?"

This article is about the "spirit" of Islam, that spirit that motivates and drives these men. Somehow their consciences were seared and their hearts hardened to the point where they can purposefully target children and rend them. The world sees it and instinctively knows there is something dark within Islam.

The only thing lacking is that many people are unable to differentiate between what they call, "Islamist", and real Islam. Real Islam is what Muhammad did and taught. The terrorists today, the "Islamists", are the real Muslims. They are putting into practice what Muhammad taught. They are building their lives upon Muhammad’s foundation. Fortunately, I’m now beginning to see, hear, and read, that more and more people understand that the Islam of the "Islamists" is indeed the real Islam.

Read more:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/sp ... _islam.htm
There is no need to wonder as the motivation is the same as was responsible for the Spanish Inquisition, the slaughter of the Indians in America. In 1122 Christian crusaders swept over Jerusalem and slaughtered men, women and children, 'until their horses were knee deep in blood. Christians then went to the church to thank the Lord for his mercy.'

In 777 , Charlemagne, a devout Christian, after conquering the Saxon rebels, gave them a choice between baptism and execution. When they refused to convert, he had 4500 of them beheaded in one morning.

In the fourth century, Emporor Constantine, the first Roman Emperor to become a Christian, had over 3000 Christians executed because their interpretation of the Bible did not agree with his. That is more than the number of Christians who died at the hands of the Romans during the well known 1st century "Christians to the lions" persecutions.

The above are from William Manchester's "A World Lit Only by Fire- The Medieval Mind and The Renaissance"..Little, Brown & Company, 1992

Queen Isabella, famous for sending Columbus to the New World in 1492, was well known also for her 'Spanish Inquisition', the gruesome torture and murder of tens of thousands of Spanish Jews, Muslims, homosexuals, people who read or wrote, uppity women, and anyone else not up to the Queen's strict standards. Isabella was a champion of the faith, piously congratulating herself as her victims writhed to their deaths in the flames and the many other ingenious methods of torture invented by her inquisitors.

In the 12th and 13th centuries, the Inquisition was born, with Christians killing Christians, during what was known as the Albigensian heresies. Hundreds of thousands of people died because their Christianity did not agree with official dogma. This adds to the irony of murder in the name of Christ, when the majority of victims of the early inquisitions were themselves Christians.

English Catholics suffered horribly under Protestant regimes. American historian William T. Walsh writes: "In Britain, 30,000 went to the stake for witchcraft; in Protestant Germany, the figure was 100,000" (, p. 275). In Scotland, too, alleged witches were cruelly put to death. Karl Keating quotes from the : "It is well-known that belief in the justice of punishing heresy with death was so common among the 16th-century Reformers-Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, and their adherents-that we may say their toleration began where their power ended" (C.E., s.v., "Inquisition," 8:35). The reason for all this is FAITH
 
get a life

Gary_Bee said:
Very impressive reznwerk.... until we see that (AGAIN) all you do is plagiarize http://www.borndigital.com/tinq.htm
Did you have anything to say on what was written or do you get commission on finding plagarists?LOL

:roll:

Secondly, please show me where you find Jesus advocating what these people did.
I don't need to show where Jesus advocated these things. You need to ask the perpetrators who did the deed in Christianities name how they interpreted the scriptures to suit the their actions. :microwave:

:-?
 
Gary: Secondly, please show me where you find Jesus advocating what these people did.

reznfails: I don't need to show where Jesus advocated these things....

Gary: Thank you. Again, you fail to prove your point.

Muslims act like Muhammad. They follow what he did.

:)
 
I would also add that most people in jail aren't there for murder either.

So prisons aren't full of Christians, nor are they full of murderers, and much less are they full of Christians who have murdered.
 
Asimov said:
Brutus/HisCatalyst said:
Pot Calling the kettle black Asimov. You should remove the plack from your own eye before you try taking out the speck from Gary's eye.

Do you really want me to go about pointing out the times cultic pratices and atheist have murdered people as well? No one religion is perfect, But christianity is the only one redeemed by a perfect savior, Jesus the Christ.

Please do, I'd like to see which Atheist groups have had 2000 years of slaughter and torture behind them.

Christianity is the only one that claims that a *edit: human* savior is needed (that I'm aware of), so what you're saying is pointless.

Quit a busy year for ISLAM, and now ladies and gentlemen the winner of last year’s victimisation goes to non other than ISLAM congratulation for being such violent and vicious people, I bet you will get next years noble price for promoting peace, love and understanding.

Mrs Hanifan Bibi, aged around 56, is a Pakistani woman who works as a domestic servant. Her employer, who follows that majority faith in Pakistan, (Islam) abducted her along with her husband, son and nephew on 10th January. They suspended her upside down by her feet, and beat her severely with a hot metal pope. They took her clothes off in front of her male relatives, forced her to drink wine, and filmed her. They also beat her relatives. After two days her captors took her to a police station and tried to implicate her in a case of theft. Christian lawyers in Pakistan are seeking to get justice for Hanifan. Pray that they will succeed and also for her healing from the severe physical injury and the emotional trauma. Many Christian women are domestic servants who suffer sever abuse but dare not report it for fear of further victimisation by their influential employers of the majority faith (Islam).

When MA left his old faith Islam to become a Christian, his family and friends began to monitor his every movement. They soon discovered he was going church and Bible study meetings. His family hired a group of young men to attack him and beat him up. They told him that, if he did not return to his former faith Islam, â€Ânext time we’ll kill youâ€Â

According to reports from Jordan, a Christian has been formally found guilty in a Shari’a (Islamic law) court of apostasy from Islam. It is believed to be the first time this has happened in Jordan, and thus sets an alarming precedent, previously the harassment of converts from Islam was limited to being interrogated and detained for a few days at a time. At the time of writing it is not know what sentence will be given. Shari’a prescribes not only the death sentence but also a wide variety of other sanctions to punish apostates. Some observers think the Shari’a judge was very reluctant to bring in a guilty verdict but felt he had no option.

Two churches in Palu City, central Sulawesi, Indonesia, were attacked during their evening services on Sunday 12th December. One attack was from four men on motorbikes who opened fire, the sped away, having seriously injured two people in the back row. The other attack was a bomb which seriously injured a guard, Palu police chief has since been dismissed for alleged negligence having failed to follow instructions to increase police protection at places of worship ahead of Christmas and New Year. The provincial police had ordered that all churches be guarded by two policeman uniformed and two plain-clothes policemen.

Police in the Philippines announced that they had foiled a planned suicide attack on a major Christian festival in January. Two days before the festival the police arrested 16 suspected militants and seized three homemade bombs and other weapons.
A 24 year-old man from Zamboanga City in the southern Philippines was shot by militants on 17 November 2004. They left him for dead, but he survived. The man had converted to Christianity from Islam and had been active in sharing his new faith, resulting in other members of his family becoming Christians and several death threats to himself. The victim’s older brother had also been shot at by militants a few months earlier.

Santino Garang a Sudanese Christian boy of seven, was sold to a Sudanese Arab a muslim as a slave in 1987. Through ten long years of cruel treatment Santino did not forget his Christian faith. Then one Sunday morning he heard Christians singing and left the camels he was caring for to join the worship, remembering the church services of his childhood. While he was worship some of the camels escaped. His furious master beat him brutally and then nailed him to wooden plank through his hands, knees and feet. He poured acid on Santion’s legs and left him to die. However, his master’s son brought him food and water, and after a week took him to hospital. His master had no further use for Santino because he nails driven through his knees had disabled him. He sold Santino, who was eventually able to return to his village. There the elders gave him a new name “Joseph†prayer is asked for Joseph who is still in great pain, physically and emotionally. “He bears the marks of his crucifixion in his body, and the scars of his torment in his soul.â€Â
Continue to pray for Yakup Cindilli, the Turkish Christian who was beaten into coma for distributing Bibles in the street in October 2003. At long last he is well enough to go to church again, and has spoken of how he felt GOD’S hand on him, keeping him even though the doctors in ambulance thought he would not get to hospital alive.

Pray for Christians in Iran, especially those who have come to Christ form the majority faith Islam. There is an Iranian law, which specifies a death sent4ence for those who leave the majority faith Islam, but has not been practised since 3rd December 1989. The government focus its harassment on church leaders, not on ordinary believers

On 20th December three more church properties were attacked in Mosul, Iraq. One of them had already been attacked just two weeks earlier, along with another church on the same day. Also in December at least four Iraqi Christians were abducted and killed, and a Christian doctor was shot while treating his patients he died later. On 17th January Archbishop Basile Georges Casmoussa (66) was kidnapped form outside his church in Mosul. While all Iraq citizens live with constant violence. Christians fell themselves to be at extra risk because of certain factions who resent their presence in the country.

Man y supporters have contacted Barnabas Fund to ask abut the four Iraqi Christian girls kidnapped on their way home from church by 17 men of the majority faith Islam, kept naked and repeatedly raped. The girl’s humiliation was so great that their one desire was to be dead and forgotten. (Yeah I would wish to be dead and forgotten to). Our partners in the Middle East are actively seeking news about these girls, but at the time of writing have no update on their plight.

Christians are continuing to flee Iraq in large numbers, fearing that they will never be allowed to live there in peace again. Pray for the refugees as they try to make new lives for themselves. Pray for those who remain either through commitment to their homeland or because they are too poor too leave.

It is reported that a Saudi Arabian man was arrested on 29th November 2004 for converting from Islam to Christianity Emad Alaabadi was intercepted by the religious police as he drove his children home from school. According to Saudi law, leaving Islam is a crime, which carries the death sentence. Pray for Emad who has almost certainly been severely tortured in prison, that the Lord Jesus Christ will give him grace to endure.

Christians in Egypt became so enraged at what they must endure that they demonstrated in there thousands in various Egyptian cities on 5th and 6th December 2004. The last straw, which triggered the demonstration, was apparently the news that the wife of a Coptic Orthodox priest had disappeared and converted to Islam. The woman was later returned to the community and re-affirmed her Christian faith. One of the major grievances of Egyptian Christians is the frequent abduction and forced conversion of many of their women and girls; less prominent cases rarely end as happily as this one. Young Christians men are often forced to convert to Islam by being picked up by the police and falsely accused of having illegal drugs; they are told the charges will be dropped if they convert to Islam. Other Christians are offered houses, money or jobs if they will become Muslims. Pray for justices and equality for Egyptian Christians who have lived as second-class citizens for fourteen centuries
this is Islam today, tomorrow and till the end of the ages



ps. i wanted to add the pic but i didn't know how so you will only get the text but go to RAWA and se the pic





Taliban amputated the right hand of a man for theft in Kabul (RAWA photo)
Picking up one of the hands by the little finger, a militiaman raised it in the air and told the crowd: "This is the cut hand of a thief, the Shariat [Muslim law] punishment for any of you caught stealing."
 
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