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Bible Study The Ten Lost Tribes
- Thread starter Lewis
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dianegcook
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Lewis
I didn't watch all of it, but I do know the concept.
After their captivity, some went north, through the Caucus Mountains, settled in Europe, England, then eventually to the U.S.
Jews are from the tribe of Judah.
Ephraim usually represent the other 10 tribes.
Interesting read:
Ezek.37:
The 2 sticks
Stick of Judah
Stick of Joseph which is in the hand of Ephraim.
Thanks....
I didn't watch all of it, but I do know the concept.
After their captivity, some went north, through the Caucus Mountains, settled in Europe, England, then eventually to the U.S.
Jews are from the tribe of Judah.
Ephraim usually represent the other 10 tribes.
Interesting read:
Ezek.37:
The 2 sticks
Stick of Judah
Stick of Joseph which is in the hand of Ephraim.
Thanks....
Question: "What happened to the lost tribes of Israel?"
Answer:When people refer to the “lost tribes of Israel,” they usually have in mind the ten tribes of the Northern Kingdom that fell toAssyriaabout 722 BC. These tribes are Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, and Joseph (whose tribe was divided into the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh). Most of the people of the Northern Kingdom were deported to ancient Assyria (2 Kings 17:6). Many of the Jews who remained in the land intermarried with people from Cutha, Ava, Hamath, and Sepharvaim who had been sent by the Assyrian king to inhabit Samaria (2 Kings 17:24;Ezra 4:2–11). Thus, the story goes, the ten northern tribes of Israel were “lost” to history and either wiped out or assimilated into other people groups. This narrative, however, is based on inference and assumption rather than on direct biblical teaching.
There are many mysteries, legends, and traditions as to what happened to the ten “lost” tribes of Israel. One legend says that the ten tribes migrated to Europe (the Danube River, they say, got its name from the tribe of Dan). Another legend says the tribes migrated all the way to England and that all Anglo-Saxons today are actually Jews—this is a teaching of the hereticalBritish Israelism. A surprising number of groups around the world claim to have descended from the “lost” tribes: there are people in India, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and North America who all claim such ancestry. Other theories equate the Japanese or the American Indians with the ten “lost” tribes of Israel.
The truth is that the “lost tribes of Israel” were never really lost. Many of the Jews who remained in the land after the Assyrian conquest re-united with Judah in the south (2 Chronicles 34:6–9). Assyria was later conquered by Babylon, who went on to invade the Southern Kingdom of Israel, deporting the two remaining tribes: Judah and Benjamin (2 Kings 25:21). Remnants of the northern tribes would have thus been part of the Babylonian deportations. Seventy years later, when King Cyrus allowed the Israelites to return to Israel (Ezra 1), many (from all twelve tribes) returned to Israel to rebuild their homeland.
The idea that ten tribes of Israel were “lost” is false. God knows where alltwelve tribesare, and, as the Bible itself proves, they are all accounted for. In the end times, God will call out witnesses from each of the twelve tribes (Revelation 7:4–8). So, obviously, God has been keeping track of who belongs to what tribe.
In the Gospels, the prophetess Anna (Luke 2:36) was from the tribe of Asher (one of the ten supposedly lost tribes). Anna wasn’t lost at all. Both Zechariah and Elisabeth—and therefore John the Baptist—are from the tribe of Levi (Luke 1:5). Jesus promises the disciples that they will “sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel” (Luke 22:30). Paul, who knows he is from the tribe of Benjamin (Romans 11:1), speaks of “the promise our twelve tribes are hoping to see fulfilled as they earnestly serve God day and night” (Acts 26:7)—note the present tense. James addresses his epistle “to the twelve tribes scattered among the nations” (James 1:1). In short, there is ample evidence in Scripture that all twelve tribes of Israel are still in existence and will be in the Messianic kingdom. None of them are lost.
Read more:http://www.gotquestions.org/lost-tribes-Israel.html#ixzz3TY2q53hR
Answer:When people refer to the “lost tribes of Israel,” they usually have in mind the ten tribes of the Northern Kingdom that fell toAssyriaabout 722 BC. These tribes are Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, and Joseph (whose tribe was divided into the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh). Most of the people of the Northern Kingdom were deported to ancient Assyria (2 Kings 17:6). Many of the Jews who remained in the land intermarried with people from Cutha, Ava, Hamath, and Sepharvaim who had been sent by the Assyrian king to inhabit Samaria (2 Kings 17:24;Ezra 4:2–11). Thus, the story goes, the ten northern tribes of Israel were “lost” to history and either wiped out or assimilated into other people groups. This narrative, however, is based on inference and assumption rather than on direct biblical teaching.
There are many mysteries, legends, and traditions as to what happened to the ten “lost” tribes of Israel. One legend says that the ten tribes migrated to Europe (the Danube River, they say, got its name from the tribe of Dan). Another legend says the tribes migrated all the way to England and that all Anglo-Saxons today are actually Jews—this is a teaching of the hereticalBritish Israelism. A surprising number of groups around the world claim to have descended from the “lost” tribes: there are people in India, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and North America who all claim such ancestry. Other theories equate the Japanese or the American Indians with the ten “lost” tribes of Israel.
The truth is that the “lost tribes of Israel” were never really lost. Many of the Jews who remained in the land after the Assyrian conquest re-united with Judah in the south (2 Chronicles 34:6–9). Assyria was later conquered by Babylon, who went on to invade the Southern Kingdom of Israel, deporting the two remaining tribes: Judah and Benjamin (2 Kings 25:21). Remnants of the northern tribes would have thus been part of the Babylonian deportations. Seventy years later, when King Cyrus allowed the Israelites to return to Israel (Ezra 1), many (from all twelve tribes) returned to Israel to rebuild their homeland.
The idea that ten tribes of Israel were “lost” is false. God knows where alltwelve tribesare, and, as the Bible itself proves, they are all accounted for. In the end times, God will call out witnesses from each of the twelve tribes (Revelation 7:4–8). So, obviously, God has been keeping track of who belongs to what tribe.
In the Gospels, the prophetess Anna (Luke 2:36) was from the tribe of Asher (one of the ten supposedly lost tribes). Anna wasn’t lost at all. Both Zechariah and Elisabeth—and therefore John the Baptist—are from the tribe of Levi (Luke 1:5). Jesus promises the disciples that they will “sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel” (Luke 22:30). Paul, who knows he is from the tribe of Benjamin (Romans 11:1), speaks of “the promise our twelve tribes are hoping to see fulfilled as they earnestly serve God day and night” (Acts 26:7)—note the present tense. James addresses his epistle “to the twelve tribes scattered among the nations” (James 1:1). In short, there is ample evidence in Scripture that all twelve tribes of Israel are still in existence and will be in the Messianic kingdom. None of them are lost.
Read more:http://www.gotquestions.org/lost-tribes-Israel.html#ixzz3TY2q53hR
tim-from-pa
Member
Kathi:
The article you referenced is based on answering unbelievers who believe the lost tribes were extinct or assimilated, thus making God's Word to no effect. Those of us who believe in lost tribes do not believe this happened to them, and like the article, we acknowledge that God knows who they are. We only borrowed the terminology "lost tribes" so that we know which tribes we are talking about, as opposed to Jews.
Where we lost tribe believers differ is what we believed happened to them. Mainline Christendom (IMO) erroneously see these tribes as grouping with the returned Jews (Judah). This is historically, biblically, and prophetically inaccurate, not the least of which the birthright tribe of Joseph was promised to be so much greater than the Jews ever attained, and to become many nations. So to just claim that the Jews picked up a few Israelite stragglers does just as much of a disservice to God as the unbelievers do. Rather, we see them as forming nations of other peoples. In short, the Israelites became Gentiles. Later on, these people will be regrouped, just as the Jew, and given back the land of Israel again.
Just thought I'd clarify that since based on the responses not only here but anywhere this subject is brought up I see that there is a high degree of misunderstanding the significance of the subject.
The article you referenced is based on answering unbelievers who believe the lost tribes were extinct or assimilated, thus making God's Word to no effect. Those of us who believe in lost tribes do not believe this happened to them, and like the article, we acknowledge that God knows who they are. We only borrowed the terminology "lost tribes" so that we know which tribes we are talking about, as opposed to Jews.
Where we lost tribe believers differ is what we believed happened to them. Mainline Christendom (IMO) erroneously see these tribes as grouping with the returned Jews (Judah). This is historically, biblically, and prophetically inaccurate, not the least of which the birthright tribe of Joseph was promised to be so much greater than the Jews ever attained, and to become many nations. So to just claim that the Jews picked up a few Israelite stragglers does just as much of a disservice to God as the unbelievers do. Rather, we see them as forming nations of other peoples. In short, the Israelites became Gentiles. Later on, these people will be regrouped, just as the Jew, and given back the land of Israel again.
Just thought I'd clarify that since based on the responses not only here but anywhere this subject is brought up I see that there is a high degree of misunderstanding the significance of the subject.
tim-from-pa
Member
Regarding the OP and the video, I am well familiar with the sightedmoon site. I also have one of his books. There have been many people leaving what was once the Worldwide Church of God due to its manner of governance, and it's intolerance to in any way shape or form someone who believes a little differently. Since Armstrong's death, they even fight amongst themselves as you have United CoG, Living CoG, Restored CoG, and Flurry's Philadelphia CoG, etc each claiming to be the true church and the other apostate.
Even the British Israel CoG had a message about "the cult of Armstongism". He openly admitted that Armstrong was a man whom God truly revealed a lot to which was true. But then instead of heeding his message, the churches got onto saying "Armstrong this and Armstrong that..." that it became similar to the bible's mention that said I follow after Paul, and I follow after Apollos. They esteemed the man over the message and what he taught from the bible. I know I dabbled with United for a short time, but then I could sense that my belief about Christ's crucifixion year would not go over well with the heads, despite my calculations. They are stuck to 31 AD because while they say it can be proven in the book of Daniel, I could see the light. 31AD was exactly 1900 years before H.W.Armstrong started his radio ministry, and was an indirect way of proving he was a true apostle. This is no means to belittle these fine folks. I am friends with some and frankly, I can't find too many more biblically insightful people. But there are governance problems within the church system itself as I mentioned. Some decided, like Dummond, to leave the politics of it all and press on further seeking after truth himself.
Even the British Israel CoG had a message about "the cult of Armstongism". He openly admitted that Armstrong was a man whom God truly revealed a lot to which was true. But then instead of heeding his message, the churches got onto saying "Armstrong this and Armstrong that..." that it became similar to the bible's mention that said I follow after Paul, and I follow after Apollos. They esteemed the man over the message and what he taught from the bible. I know I dabbled with United for a short time, but then I could sense that my belief about Christ's crucifixion year would not go over well with the heads, despite my calculations. They are stuck to 31 AD because while they say it can be proven in the book of Daniel, I could see the light. 31AD was exactly 1900 years before H.W.Armstrong started his radio ministry, and was an indirect way of proving he was a true apostle. This is no means to belittle these fine folks. I am friends with some and frankly, I can't find too many more biblically insightful people. But there are governance problems within the church system itself as I mentioned. Some decided, like Dummond, to leave the politics of it all and press on further seeking after truth himself.
dianegcook
Member
This is why I don't belong to any denomination.
Seek for myself.
I am responsible for myself on Judgment Day.
Nice posts tim-from-pa
M.Abdullah
Member
Is there any theory on who these gentile nations are - or is it all just speculation
I believe that is answered in the "Got Questions" answer.
dianegcook
Member
For one thing:
Joseph of Arimathaea was Jesus's Uncle.
Kinsmen redeemer.
Claim the body.
Joseph was a tinsman, that traveled all over by ship.
Traded
In Glastonbury in a museum they have a drawing , painting, of the ship with a lad in it, with a halo over His head.
Some believe that Mary and some others went there, after the crucifixion.
Tales of Glastonbury
Another:
The sceptre,
Strong's Concordance #7626 Hebrew, meaning:
To branch off, a stick for ruling, a clan, staff, scion.
Gen.49:10
The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, until Shiloh come.
Gen.48:17-22
Joseph was displeased with his father, when his father laid his right hand over the head of Ephraim, instead of
Manasseh which was the first born.
His father refused, saying, his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.
The sceptre was in England, what they anoint the rulers, king and queens with.
I believe it is in Scotland or Ireland now, forgot which one.
And as I stated in Ezek.37:16,17
A stick for Judah
The stick of Ephraim..
Another,
Parable of the fig tree.
Jer.24:1-9
The good figs and the bad.
Tribe of Judah bought back to their land.
8; And as the evil figs, which cannot be eaten, they are so evil, surely thus saith the Lord, So will I give Zedekiah the king of Judah, and his princes, and the residue of Jerusalem, that remain in this land, and them that dwell in Egypt,
And I will deliver them to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth for their hurt, to be a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse, in all places whither I shall drive them.
Joseph of Arimathaea was Jesus's Uncle.
Kinsmen redeemer.
Claim the body.
Joseph was a tinsman, that traveled all over by ship.
Traded
In Glastonbury in a museum they have a drawing , painting, of the ship with a lad in it, with a halo over His head.
Some believe that Mary and some others went there, after the crucifixion.
Tales of Glastonbury
Another:
The sceptre,
Strong's Concordance #7626 Hebrew, meaning:
To branch off, a stick for ruling, a clan, staff, scion.
Gen.49:10
The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, until Shiloh come.
Gen.48:17-22
Joseph was displeased with his father, when his father laid his right hand over the head of Ephraim, instead of
Manasseh which was the first born.
His father refused, saying, his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.
The sceptre was in England, what they anoint the rulers, king and queens with.
I believe it is in Scotland or Ireland now, forgot which one.
And as I stated in Ezek.37:16,17
A stick for Judah
The stick of Ephraim..
Another,
Parable of the fig tree.
Jer.24:1-9
The good figs and the bad.
Tribe of Judah bought back to their land.
8; And as the evil figs, which cannot be eaten, they are so evil, surely thus saith the Lord, So will I give Zedekiah the king of Judah, and his princes, and the residue of Jerusalem, that remain in this land, and them that dwell in Egypt,
And I will deliver them to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth for their hurt, to be a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse, in all places whither I shall drive them.
Sinthesis
Member
It is just speculation. It is also moot, because once any Israelite became a gentile he was by definition no longer of Israel. God is no respecter of persons, so genetic descent provides no basis by which some gentiles could be 'regrouped' back into God's People. The tribes of the southern kingdom maintained their distinct identity during the Babylonian captivity. Any captives freed by Cyrus' edict, who still valued a religious and cultural affiliation with the twelve tribes of King David's united kingdom, were joined under Zerubbabel and the rebuilt temple into a single group known as Jews; a name derived from the half of the divided kingdom that never gave up its heritage, Judah.
dianegcook
Member
Gal.3:28,29
There is neither Jew nor Greek, bond nor free, neither male nor female, for ye are all one in Christ.
And if ye be in Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, bond nor free, neither male nor female, for ye are all one in Christ.
And if ye be in Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
tim-from-pa
Member
Nice summaries, Diane. That's my take, too.
Chopper
Member
I want to commend all of you for a very good job of posting different opinions in a Christian manner. This topic could easily turn into debate but you all have been an example for others to follow. Even though the topic is not something I'm interested in, I have read them with interest and learned a few things.
Thank you again for the respect for each other that Jesus is in favor of, and so am I as a Moderator.
Thank you again for the respect for each other that Jesus is in favor of, and so am I as a Moderator.
As long as you believe in Jesus as your Lord and Savior, and follow His Word, you can't go wrong.
dianegcook
Member
:amenAs long as you believe in Jesus as your Lord and Savior, and follow His Word, you can't go wrong.