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rom 9:
6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed
There is only one True Israel of God, and that is comprised of the children of promise. Not the children of the flesh..
Israel is the hebrew word Yisrael:
God prevails
This name was given to Jacob after a struggling or wrestling with God, in fact, whom I believe to be The Lord Jesus christ..
gen 32:
24And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.
25And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him.
26And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.
27And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.
28And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
29And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.
30And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
This is a momentous event in the Life of Jacob, and in biblical history, I humbly submit that this was a true conversion experience of the patriarch Jacob..and a type set forth as to all the the true Israelites indeed, whom Have prevailed with God through our Lord and Saviour Jesus christ, and its through him our lives have been preserved..
Jude 1:
1Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
The Israel, the true Israel has been preserved in Jesus christ.
Gal 6:
12As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
13For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.
14But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
15For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God
Notice vs 12, those who want to make a fair show in the flesh, by constraining to circumcision, are no doubt, abrahams seed through the flesh..remember rom 9:
8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed
abraham [Type of God] had two seeds, a seed according to the flesh, and a seed according to promise..
These two seeds have always been made to differ throughout biblical history, and this is pauls theology and the theology of Jesus christ..notice Jesus words to some very religous people, jews of His day..
Jn 8:
33They answered him, We be Abraham's seed,[by flesh] and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
37I know that ye are Abraham's seed[by flesh]; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
38I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children[by promise], ye would do the works of Abraham.
So clearly Jesus recognizes two distinct seeds of or children of abraham..
The fleshly children of abraham, makes a show in the flesh, that is they trust in their performances and misunderstanding of the law covenant, to bring them acceptance with God,,see rom 10:1.
This israel paul says is under bondage, to do the whole law..
Lets look at gal 4:
21Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
This is extremely important, and gives to understand a profound truth, as to why we had the events of the life of hagar and her son recorded, to show forth a allegorical truth..
Most should know that the son that abraham had through hagar, ishmael, was not the son God promised, and because of the self effort taken by sarah and abraham to produce the promised son of God, the consequences were very disheartening and solemn indeed..
It lead to these words by God:
gen 18:
10Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.
11And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of his son.
12And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.
This paul alludes to gal 4:
30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Now this is the point, the children of abraham by the handmaid, ishamael and his descendants, who are not heirs of promise..they being booted out the house..
This same principle applies to the natural seed of abraham, the physical Jew, they too are as ishamel and his mother, they too are not the heirs of God, the true children of God..
So God, is no more claiming them , the phsysical Jew as spiritual heirs through Jesus christ, no more than if he would claim ishmael and his descendants as heirs to the promises..
This is fascinating, because the dispensationalist of today, and those teaching that fleshly israel has a hope through Jesus christ, or that they will someday be recognized as the True people of God, they are saying, just as much, that ishmael descendants of abraham, have the same claim..which is impossible..
Paul is describing the Jews, the fleshly Jews, those making a shew in the flesh as being under bondadge to the covenant of works:
gal 4:
22For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
look at vs 25, hagar and her children, those children are the fleshly Jews of the nation of Israel, they are synomous to her real child ishmael, a outcast..
The fleshly israelites are outcast, just as much as heathens and unoticed as ishmael was..
Renmber God when speaking to abraham ? notice..
gen 22:
11And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.
12And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
God recognizes only one son of abraham here, its as though ishamael did not exist..
And so it is with israel of the flesh, they do not even exist as to being heirs of God and His promises, but only the children of promise, those given to abraham by promise of God as Isaach was..and if we be christ, then we be children of promise as issach:
gal 4:
28Now we, brethren,[jew or gentile] as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
And this is Israel..
6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed
There is only one True Israel of God, and that is comprised of the children of promise. Not the children of the flesh..
Israel is the hebrew word Yisrael:
God prevails
This name was given to Jacob after a struggling or wrestling with God, in fact, whom I believe to be The Lord Jesus christ..
gen 32:
24And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.
25And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him.
26And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.
27And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.
28And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
29And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.
30And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
This is a momentous event in the Life of Jacob, and in biblical history, I humbly submit that this was a true conversion experience of the patriarch Jacob..and a type set forth as to all the the true Israelites indeed, whom Have prevailed with God through our Lord and Saviour Jesus christ, and its through him our lives have been preserved..
Jude 1:
1Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
The Israel, the true Israel has been preserved in Jesus christ.
Gal 6:
12As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
13For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.
14But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
15For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God
Notice vs 12, those who want to make a fair show in the flesh, by constraining to circumcision, are no doubt, abrahams seed through the flesh..remember rom 9:
8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed
abraham [Type of God] had two seeds, a seed according to the flesh, and a seed according to promise..
These two seeds have always been made to differ throughout biblical history, and this is pauls theology and the theology of Jesus christ..notice Jesus words to some very religous people, jews of His day..
Jn 8:
33They answered him, We be Abraham's seed,[by flesh] and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
37I know that ye are Abraham's seed[by flesh]; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
38I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children[by promise], ye would do the works of Abraham.
So clearly Jesus recognizes two distinct seeds of or children of abraham..
The fleshly children of abraham, makes a show in the flesh, that is they trust in their performances and misunderstanding of the law covenant, to bring them acceptance with God,,see rom 10:1.
This israel paul says is under bondage, to do the whole law..
Lets look at gal 4:
21Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
This is extremely important, and gives to understand a profound truth, as to why we had the events of the life of hagar and her son recorded, to show forth a allegorical truth..
Most should know that the son that abraham had through hagar, ishmael, was not the son God promised, and because of the self effort taken by sarah and abraham to produce the promised son of God, the consequences were very disheartening and solemn indeed..
It lead to these words by God:
gen 18:
10Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.
11And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of his son.
12And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.
This paul alludes to gal 4:
30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Now this is the point, the children of abraham by the handmaid, ishamael and his descendants, who are not heirs of promise..they being booted out the house..
This same principle applies to the natural seed of abraham, the physical Jew, they too are as ishamel and his mother, they too are not the heirs of God, the true children of God..
So God, is no more claiming them , the phsysical Jew as spiritual heirs through Jesus christ, no more than if he would claim ishmael and his descendants as heirs to the promises..
This is fascinating, because the dispensationalist of today, and those teaching that fleshly israel has a hope through Jesus christ, or that they will someday be recognized as the True people of God, they are saying, just as much, that ishmael descendants of abraham, have the same claim..which is impossible..
Paul is describing the Jews, the fleshly Jews, those making a shew in the flesh as being under bondadge to the covenant of works:
gal 4:
22For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
look at vs 25, hagar and her children, those children are the fleshly Jews of the nation of Israel, they are synomous to her real child ishmael, a outcast..
The fleshly israelites are outcast, just as much as heathens and unoticed as ishmael was..
Renmber God when speaking to abraham ? notice..
gen 22:
11And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.
12And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
God recognizes only one son of abraham here, its as though ishamael did not exist..
And so it is with israel of the flesh, they do not even exist as to being heirs of God and His promises, but only the children of promise, those given to abraham by promise of God as Isaach was..and if we be christ, then we be children of promise as issach:
gal 4:
28Now we, brethren,[jew or gentile] as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
And this is Israel..