The true meaning of Jihad

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The true meaning of Jihad

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[Heidi]

The Muslims claim that they want both love and peace but they want war also. So which statement should we believe because they contradict each other? Jesus preached to love our enemies. It appears that Muslims preach to kill their enemies. And they wonder why the West fears them? Of course they claim that they are not sinners but the people of the West are sinners. All killers believe they are better than the ones they kill! That's why they kill!

 

[Muhsen]

If Jesus preached to love your enemies why you kill Muslims everywhere?.
Where are Jesus teachings?. Muslims fight only for self-defense everywhere. and the whole world know that.

 

[Heidi]

Again, Mushen, Jesus said very few will be saved but there will be many who claim to be Christians who are wolves pretending to be sheep. Christians who kill are disobeying Jesus, but Muslims who kill are obeying allah. That is not only the biggest difference between Christians and Muslims but it is also what makes Muslims so dangerous! The suicide bombers will go to their death and bring those they hate with them. And because they think God told them to, they are even more committed to doing this! But those who follow Christ back away from killing because we have His forgiveness inside of us and can turn the other cheek.

But Jesus also says; "Render to Caesar what is Caesar's and render to God what is God's". So since our government (which is what Christ means by Caesar) is responsible for the fate of its people, it will defend itself against people who want to kill us. True Christians will let themselves be killed before they will kill anyone! But the government which is not God, but Caesar, cannot decide for each human being what his fate will be. Therefore, our government cannot afford to let our enemies annihilate us.

Therefore, no true Christian can be a Caesar because the responsibility of a head of state is to protect its people. The only time in history that you ever saw anyone kill in the name of Jesus Christ, were the crusaders who were ordered by the government of England and the false teaching of the pope. Other than that, you don't hear people ever killing in the name of Christ. And if you do, he is from the devil, not God, because it is the devil who tells us to murder, not God.

But the koran clearly says to kill the enemy. And even Mohammed himself questioned whether his visions came from the devil or God. So the very teachings in the koran should tell you whether your god is the devil or the one true God. As jesus says; "By their fruits you will know them."

 

[Muhsen]

1: Hmmm, The children and women of Iraq are the people who want to kill you. That’s why you occupied their country and kill them its self-defense!!!!!!!!!!!!

2: Islam don’t order to kill anybody without a just cause even non Muslims.
Actually This is one misunderstanding that keeps rising up against Islam. Islam does not in anyway allow for the killing of any innocent soul. I have gathered some of the Noble Verses that I am aware of that deal directly with war and peace to shed some light upon my readers.
Noble Verses that order the killing of the enemies:
Let us look at Noble Verses 9:28-29 "O ye believe! Truly the pagans are unclear; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear povery, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, For Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, from among the people of the book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Let us look at Noble Verse 9:5 "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."
As we clearly see in the above Noble Verses, the laws of killing the unbelievers or the pagans were for particular and specific times, and not for all times and all places. Notice the quotes "...after this year..." and "...when the sacred months have passed...".
It is important to know that when Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him started preaching Islam, he had to deal with 360 Arab pagan tribes at first, and he and his followers had to go through a lot of battles that were imposed upon them by the pagans who were threatened by the new System and Wonderful Religion of Islam.

Noble Verses that deal with peace:
"Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: 'O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness.' (The Noble Quran, 18:86)" In this Noble Verse we see that if the enemy wants to do us harm, then we must punish those who did us harm. Otherwise, we must treat the enemy civilians and the innocents with kindness.
Let us look at Noble Verse 45:14 "Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not look forward to the days of Allah: It is for Him to recompense (for good or ill) each people according to what they have earned."
Let us look at Noble Verse 5:32 "...if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people..." In this Noble Verse we clearly see that Allah Almighty honors all the innocent souls that He created. Killing any innocent soul is so hated by Allah Almighty that He considers it as a crime against all of Mankind.
Let us look at Noble Verse 25:68 "Those who invoke not, with God, any other god, nor slay such life as God has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment." In this Noble Verse we clearly see that Allah Almighty considers the innocent soul "sacred". He will punish those who kill the innocent souls (by throwing them in hell).
Let us look at Noble Verse 2:182 "But if anyone fears partiality or wrong-doing on the part of the testator, and makes peace between (The parties concerned), there is no wrong in him: For God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."
Let us look at Noble Verse 2:224 "And make not God's (name) an excuse in your oaths against doing good, or acting rightly, or making peace between persons; for God is One Who heareth and knoweth all things."
I'd say, this Noble Verse clearly proves my point: Let us look at Noble Verse 8:61 "But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things)." In this Noble Verse, we clearly see Allah Almighty ordering us, the Muslims, to incline toward peace when the enemy inclines toward peace. This proves that Islam is not a religion for wars, but for peace.
Allah Almighty orders Muslims in the Noble Quran to allow total freedom of choice to people and to never try to force them into Islam; "Let there be no compulsion (forcing others) in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (The Noble Quran, 2:256)" The Noble Quran prohibits Muslims to force any person into Islam. Muslims must not let people resent Islam and Muslims. They must leave people decide for themselves because the "Truth stands out clear from error...(2:256)"

Compulsion is incompatible with religion: Because (1) religion depends upon faith and will, and these would be meaningless by force; (2) Truth and Error have been so clearly shown up by the mercy of Allah Almighty that there should be no doubt in the minds of any persons of good will as to the fundamentals of faith; (3) Allah Almighty's protection is continuous, and His Plan is always to lead us from the depths of darkness into the clearest light.
In the above Noble Verses, we clearly see that Allah Almighty orders the Muslims to be forgiving to the enemies and to make peace and peace making their top priority. It is part of the Muslim's morals to be a peaceful person.
Muslims start their greetings with "As'salamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatu Allah Wa Barakatuh", which means in English "May GOD's peace, mercy and blessings be upon you."

 

[Heidi]

1: Hmmm, The children and women of Iraq are the people who want to kill you. That’s why you occupied their country and kill them its self-defense!!!!!!!!!!!!

2: Islam don’t order to kill anybody without a just cause even non Muslims.
Actually This is one misunderstanding that keeps rising up against Islam. Islam does not in anyway allow for the killing of any innocent soul. I have gathered some of the Noble Verses that I am aware of that deal directly with war and peace to shed some light upon my readers.
Noble Verses that order the killing of the enemies:
Let us look at Noble Verses 9:28-29 "O ye believe! Truly the pagans are unclear; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear povery, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, For Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, from among the people of the book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Let us look at Noble Verse 9:5 "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."
As we clearly see in the above Noble Verses, the laws of killing the unbelievers or the pagans were for particular and specific times, and not for all times and all places. Notice the quotes "...after this year..." and "...when the sacred months have passed...".
It is important to know that when Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him started preaching Islam, he had to deal with 360 Arab pagan tribes at first, and he and his followers had to go through a lot of battles that were imposed upon them by the pagans who were threatened by the new System and Wonderful Religion of Islam.

Noble Verses that deal with peace:
"Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: 'O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness.' (The Noble Quran, 18:86)" In this Noble Verse we see that if the enemy wants to do us harm, then we must punish those who did us harm. Otherwise, we must treat the enemy civilians and the innocents with kindness.
Let us look at Noble Verse 45:14 "Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not look forward to the days of Allah: It is for Him to recompense (for good or ill) each people according to what they have earned."
Let us look at Noble Verse 5:32 "...if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people..." In this Noble Verse we clearly see that Allah Almighty honors all the innocent souls that He created. Killing any innocent soul is so hated by Allah Almighty that He considers it as a crime against all of Mankind.
Let us look at Noble Verse 25:68 "Those who invoke not, with God, any other god, nor slay such life as God has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment." In this Noble Verse we clearly see that Allah Almighty considers the innocent soul "sacred". He will punish those who kill the innocent souls (by throwing them in hell).
Let us look at Noble Verse 2:182 "But if anyone fears partiality or wrong-doing on the part of the testator, and makes peace between (The parties concerned), there is no wrong in him: For God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."
Let us look at Noble Verse 2:224 "And make not God's (name) an excuse in your oaths against doing good, or acting rightly, or making peace between persons; for God is One Who heareth and knoweth all things."
I'd say, this Noble Verse clearly proves my point: Let us look at Noble Verse 8:61 "But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things)." In this Noble Verse, we clearly see Allah Almighty ordering us, the Muslims, to incline toward peace when the enemy inclines toward peace. This proves that Islam is not a religion for wars, but for peace.
Allah Almighty orders Muslims in the Noble Quran to allow total freedom of choice to people and to never try to force them into Islam; "Let there be no compulsion (forcing others) in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (The Noble Quran, 2:256)" The Noble Quran prohibits Muslims to force any person into Islam. Muslims must not let people resent Islam and Muslims. They must leave people decide for themselves because the "Truth stands out clear from error...(2:256)"

Compulsion is incompatible with religion: Because (1) religion depends upon faith and will, and these would be meaningless by force; (2) Truth and Error have been so clearly shown up by the mercy of Allah Almighty that there should be no doubt in the minds of any persons of good will as to the fundamentals of faith; (3) Allah Almighty's protection is continuous, and His Plan is always to lead us from the depths of darkness into the clearest light.
In the above Noble Verses, we clearly see that Allah Almighty orders the Muslims to be forgiving to the enemies and to make peace and peace making their top priority. It is part of the Muslim's morals to be a peaceful person.
Muslims start their greetings with "As'salamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatu Allah Wa Barakatuh", which means in English "May GOD's peace, mercy and blessings be upon you."

It doesn't appear that you read my post at all, Mushen. Therefore, it was a waste of time for me to post. I said that no true Christian can be head of state.

And as for our government making sure we aren't attacked again by Muslim extremists, if you were the leader of a large country, would you have ignored the weapons of mass destruction that Saddam used aginst the Curds and wouldn't allow the UN in to examine? If so, then I certainly wouldn't feel secure with you as a leader! You probably would have thought that Saddam Huessein amassed weapons of mass destruction simply to waste his money.

But since the Koran encourages people to kill their enemies, I don't think you are in a position to judge others for doing something that the Koran endorses!! You are therefore contradicting your own Koran by saying that! So your contradictions show that your beliefs are as confusing to you as they are to others.

 

[Muhsen]

1: No Heidi I have read it. You wrote this?

So since our government (which is what Christ means by Caesar) is responsible for the fate of its people, it will defend itself against people who want to kill us.
"

You consider killing The children and women in Iraq self-defense!!!!!!!!!!!!


2: If I were the leader of a large country, I will not kill the children and women and I will not deal with others in duple standards, I will not support the devil country. I will not occupy the countries, I will not steal the nations, and I will spread the peace in the whole world……….

3: where are the weapons of mass destruction?!!. Now two years since occupation ?!!!!1

4: I do not contradict the Quran, Quran don’t order to kill anybody without a just cause even non Muslims, I have posted some verses prove that.

 

[Heidi]

1: No Heidi I have read it. You wrote this?

So since our government (which is what Christ means by Caesar) is responsible for the fate of its people, it will defend itself against people who want to kill us.
"

You consider killing The children and women in Iraq self-defense!!!!!!!!!!!!


2: If I were the leader of a large country, I will not kill the children and women and I will not deal with others in duple standards, I will not support the devil country. I will not occupy the countries, I will not steal the nations, and I will spread the peace in the whole world……….

3: where are the weapons of mass destruction?!!. Now two years since occupation ?!!!!1

4: I do not contradict the Quran, Quran don’t order to kill anybody without a just cause even non Muslims, I have posted some verses prove that.

No, you haven't read my post. I was talking about true Christians as opposed to govenrment leaders. But you ignored the statement i made twice about no true Christian can be a government leader. But the Muslims, however mix up the two. Jesus said; "Render to Caesar what is Caesar's and render to God what is God's". But the Muslims use their God as a reason to kill! That was the point of my post. Jesus said not to kill anyone for any cause!

But if you want to get into politics instead, and talk about political leaders who, as I said, are not justifying their actions with the bible because they are what we call "secular." In our country, we separate church and State. Government leaders are not supposed to endorse any particular religion, so their actions don't necessarily come from Christ. But the Muslims do use their god in politics! Jesus said you cannot do this because the affairs of one have nothing to do witht he affairs of the other.

Just an aside, Mushen. If you found drugs in your son's room, and he still wanted to use them, then you gave him a week to get rid of them, what do you think he would do? tTen when you came back to check his room but he said you could only check under the bed, what would you do? How is he not playing you for a fool? And by the way, an enormous amount of weapns of mass destruction are now being found in Syria.

 

[YESHUA]

Muslims start their greetings with "As'salamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatu Allah Wa Barakatuh", which means in English "May GOD's peace, mercy and blessings be upon you."[/quote]
Yeah and at the same time you kill Christians while crying allah is the greatest way to go mushen real neat don't you think
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA

 

[Muhsen]

No we do not kill Christians or others, self-defense is right for anybody to defense himself. christians and Jews are killing Muslims everywhere.
Our greeting is peace and we are dealing with peace this is our ethics.

 

[Muhsen]

God’s Messenger (peace be upon him) used to say the following words to his troops before sending them to war: “Go forward in the name of God. Do not kill an elderly person, nor a child, nor a woman, and do not exceed the bounds.†[Muwatta’]

From all this, it is easy to see Islam’s position on terrorism. Terrorism is a form of warfare whereby innocent people are specifically targeted to instill fear in a population. Therefore, Islam’s view on terrorism comes from the Islamic position on warfare. It is clear from what preceded that even during war, when the Muslims are fighting an aggressive enemy, they are never allowed to target civilians. This is strictly prohibited by Islamic Law. The killing of innocents is murder, even during times of war. The one who intentionally kills these innocent people is a murderer who deserves the punishment for murder. Terrorism is categorically prohibited in Islam.

Throughout Islamic history, the Muslim’s treatment of others in times of war was exemplary. Abu Bakr, a Companion of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and the first Caliph that came after him, sent an army to Syria to fight the aggressive Roman legions and went out to give them words of encouragement. He said: “You are going to find a group of people who have devoted themselves to the worship of God (i.e. monks), so leave them to what they are doing.â€Â

When `Umar, a companion of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and the second Caliph, drove the Roman legions out of Jerusalem, the Muslims were welcomed as liberators. Even though the Muslims had conquered the land, they were not allowed to look upon the inhabitants of the land as their enemies. Their enemies were only the Romans who had aggressed against them. When `Umar entered Jerusalem as a conqueror, he came humbly and instead of dictating harsh terms to the people, brought a treaty that guaranteed the people of Jerusalem, who were predominantly Christian, their safety and freedom from all persecution. The following is from the treaty that he drafted for them: “This is what `Umar, the Commander of the Faithful, grants to the people in peace. He grants them the safety of their persons, their churches, and their crosses… their churches will not be shut down nor destroyed. Nothing will be taken from them or from their crosses. They will not be compelled to abandon their faith nor shall any one of them be abused.â€Â

There is no such thing as a “holy war†in Islam. Muslims are not allowed to force their religion on anyone. The word jihad means “struggleâ€Â. This struggle can be of a military nature. When it is, the differences between a jihad and a normal war become clear. Jihad can never be fought for worldly gain, for conquest, or even for revenge.

War must only be fought to protect the lives, property, and freedoms of people. Muslims must fight to protect the freedom of people to worship God when that freedom is forcibly attacked. They are never allowed to attack innocent people, even when they are themselves attacked. Any people that go against this established principle of Islamic Law are fighting against Islam and everything that it stands for. It is ludicrous for them to call this fighting a jihad, a word that means striving in the cause of Islam. They are in fact murderers in the light of Islamic Law and should be treated as such.

 

[YESHUA]

No we do not kill Christians or others, self-defense is right for anybody to defense himself. christians and Jews are killing Muslims everywhere.
Our greeting is peace and we are dealing with peace this is our ethics.

that is not true I know and so does many others as well that christinas are being killed in the name of allah, and what about the law of blasphemy? anybody that blasphemy Muhammad is taken to court and sentence sometimes to death sometimes to jail but always sentence if they dare tell the truth about the so-called no good false prophet muhammad so stop deceiving yourself and others as well. We have heard to many reports about the ordeal of christians in the Islamic countries and other countries as well strangely enough you take the persecution of christians in other countries other than Islamic countries seriously how come? Your willing to believe that Christians are being persecuted in any other country but Islamic countries.
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA the ONLY ONE THE HOLY ONE I
take HIM and persecution before I would submit to the no good false so-called prophet Muhammad

 

[Heidi]

No we do not kill Christians or others, self-defense is right for anybody to defense himself. christians and Jews are killing Muslims everywhere.
Our greeting is peace and we are dealing with peace this is our ethics.

But what you don't understand, Mushen, is that Jesus teaches us that if someone strikes us on the cheek, we should turn to him the other cheek as well. If we defend ourselves with violence then we are no better than the ones who hit us for they were once hit by someone also. If we defened ourselves, then the person who struck us will want to defend himself by striking us back which will make us want to strike him back, and on and on until one or both are dead! And that is the problem between the Muslims and the Jews. It never ends.

The only way to end the violence is if one of them has the strength to forgive the other and not fight back regardless of what the other one does to him. The easiest thing in the world to do is to hurt someone who has hurt us. Even children can do that! But what takes enormous strength is resisting the urge to hurt someone back. That is the courageous man! And that is what Jesus tells us to do. That is also genuine love that does not depend on how others treat us. Genuine love is a prisoner of nothing! It isn't bound by how we are treated or if we are offended by anyone. It is not a slave to anger or retaliation. It rises above anger and selfish pride. Jesus says if someone takes your cloak, give him your tunic too. For even sinners want to repay evil with evil.

 

[Agarash]

Muhsen>>> I think you mistunderstand that America and most of the world arent a government ruled by their religion. So if america goes and attack iraq, it is NOT CHRISTIANITY doing this. you must understand this. this is what Heidi is trying to say.

If a white man shoots a muslim, it is not christianity doing this deed. so you need to stop blaming christianity for all the deaths america is causing to your people/religion.

 

[warner]

The Muslims claim that they want both love and peace but they want war also. So which statement should we believe because they contradict each other? Jesus preached to love our enemies. It appears that Muslims preach to kill their enemies. And they wonder why the West fears them? Of course they claim that they are not sinners but the people of the West are sinners. All killers believe they are better than the ones they kill! That's why they kill!

This message of jesus to the christians though seems to be only lip service.I don't see any of the so to say christians loving their enemies.They going and killing innocent women and Children.They are using an eye for an eye not turn the other cheek so wjhy try to pretend you are a sheep when the world can see you are really the wolf.Why hide it .Why lie? why hide beihind the truth.
Did the us Turn the other cheek while slaughtering innnocent vietnamese children. Or did the words of Jesus to peter not matter then.

Mat 26:51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.
Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
so stop giving lip service to the words of jesus and stop making out you are sheep when you are really WOLVES.
Peace
:angel:

 

[Blazin Bones]

If You haven't met any real Christian's than that's too bad Warner. But let me ask you this, you claim to accept the words of Christ, yet you muslim are told to kill infidels by allah, How is that loving your enemies? Wouldn't you call that more hypocritical?

 

[YESHUA]

If Jesus preached to love your enemies why you kill Muslims everywhere?.
Where are Jesus teachings?. Muslims fight only for self-defense everywhere. and the whole world know that.

The whole world know that this is not true so stop fooling yourself and us to
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA THE PRINCE OF PEACES

 

[Muhsen]

Muhsen>>> I think you mistunderstand that America and most of the world arent a government ruled by their religion. So if america goes and attack iraq, it is NOT CHRISTIANITY doing this. you must understand this. this is what Heidi is trying to say.

If a white man shoots a muslim, it is not christianity doing this deed. so you need to stop blaming christianity for all the deaths america is causing to your people/religion.

Brother Agarash, why they attack only Muslims everywhere?!!!!, Why as Muslims misunderstood that?!!, but in the same time when the few young people who do not represent Islam attack the twin towers, the others misunderstood that and they said this from Islam!!!!!

 

[Heidi]

Mushen, we're talking about the doctrine of the Koran. The doctrine of the Koran does not say to love your enemies, it says to kill them. And that is the problem. That is why it's so easy for terroritsts to justify murder. Mohammed justified murder and so will his followers. And that is the problem. Jesus did not justify any murder. Therefore, if his followers commit murder they are disobeying him. But Muslims who kill do it in the name of allah and according to the Koran they would be right. So the problem is in the core of your religion. It contradicts itself and opens itself up to anyone who wants to murder. All he has to do is say he is justified by allah and he would be right!

But if you followed Jesus, you would be convicted if you murdered and would seek to use other options to deal with sin. Murder is sin and that's all there is to it. You cannot be purified enough to see God unless you refrain from sin. And that is impossibe without Jesus taking away our sins through his death on the cross and replacing them with his forgiveness. Once we have forgiveness in our hearts, we have no desire to murder anyone for any reason!


Christianity is the only religion that sends the Holy Spirit to its believers. You say the Muslims believe in the OT. Well the OT talks about the Holy Spirit all over the place! And without the power of God in us, we cannot stop sinning. It is impossible.

 

[Agarash]

This message of jesus to the christians though seems to be only lip service.I don't see any of the so to say christians loving their enemies.They going and killing innocent women and Children.They are using an eye for an eye not turn the other cheek so wjhy try to pretend you are a sheep when the world can see you are really the wolf.Why hide it .Why lie? why hide beihind the truth.
Did the us Turn the other cheek while slaughtering innnocent vietnamese children. Or did the words of Jesus to peter not matter then.

maybe you can specify who you are talking about.. you use "they" .. who are "they"?? (and i know what your answer is gonna be, but ill ait anyway). Ant let me say, that anybod who kills doesnt obey what is in the bible, and calls himself a christian, is NOT A CHRISTIAN.