The true meaning of Jihad

[Muhsen]

Mushen, we're talking about the doctrine of the Koran. The doctrine of the Koran does not say to love your enemies, it says to kill them. And that is the problem. That is why it's so easy for terroritsts to justify murder. Mohammed justified murder and so will his followers. And that is the problem. Jesus did not justify any murder. Therefore, if his followers commit murder they are disobeying him. But Muslims who kill do it in the name of allah and according to the Koran they would be right. So the problem is in the core of your religion. It contradicts itself and opens itself up to anyone who wants to murder. All he has to do is say he is justified by allah and he would be right!

But if you followed Jesus, you would be convicted if you murdered and would seek to use other options to deal with sin. Murder is sin and that's all there is to it. You cannot be purified enough to see God unless you refrain from sin. And that is impossibe without Jesus taking away our sins through his death on the cross and replacing them with his forgiveness. Once we have forgiveness in our hearts, we have no desire to murder anyone for any reason!


Christianity is the only religion that sends the Holy Spirit to its believers. You say the Muslims believe in the OT. Well the OT talks about the Holy Spirit all over the place! And without the power of God in us, we cannot stop sinning. It is impossible.

No Heidi, The doctrine of the Koran said to Muslims you have to be kindly with peaceful people those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes.

That symbolized in two verses in quran :

60:8. Allâh does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allâh loves those who deal with equity.

60:9. It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that Allâh forbids you to befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the Zâlimûn (wrong-doers those who disobey Allâh).
2:190 Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

Tafsir bin katheer:
The Permissibility of being Kind to Disbelievers who do not fight against the Religion And Allah's statement;
(Allah does not forbid you with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes,) means, those who did not have a role in your expulsion. Therefore, Allah does not forbid you from being kind to the disbelievers who do not fight you because of the religion, such as women and weak disbelievers,
(to deal kindly) to be gentle with them,
(and justly with those) to be fair with them
(Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity.) Imam Ahmad recorded that Asma' bint Abu Bakr said, "My mother, who was an idolatress at the time, came to me during the Treaty of Peace, the Prophet conducted with the Quraysh. I came to the Prophet and said, `O Allah's Messenger! My mother came visiting, desiring something from me, should I treat her with good relations' The Prophet said,
(Yes. Keep good relation with your mother.)'' The Two Sahihs recorded this Hadith. Imam Ahmad recorded that `Abdullah bin Zubayr said, "Qutaylah came visiting her daughter, Asma' bint Abi Bakr, with some gifts, such as Dibab, cheese and clarified (cooking) butter, and she was an idolatress at that time. Asma' refused to accept her mother's gifts and did not let her enter her house. `A'ishah asked the Prophet about his verdict and Allah sent down the Ayah,
(Allah does not forbid you with those who fought not against you on account of religion) until the end of the Ayah. Allah's Messenger ordered Asma' to accept her mother's gifts and to let her enter her house.'' Allah's statement,
(Allah loves those who deal with equity.) was duly explained in the Tafsir of Surat Al-Hujurat. We also mentioned the authentic Hadith,
(The just, who are fair in their decisions, families and those under their authority, will be on podiums made of light, to the right of the Throne.)
The Prohibition of being Kind towards Combatant Disbelievers
Allah's statement,
(It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out that Allah forbids you to befriend them.) (60:9) means, `Allah forbids you from being kind and befriending with the disbelievers who are openly hostile to you, those who fought against you, expelled you and helped to expel you. Allah the Exalted forbids you from being their friends and orders you to be their enemy.' Then Allah stresses His threat against being friends with them, by saying,
(And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the wrongdoers.) As He said

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(16:125): "Invite mankind to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious."


29:46. And argue not with the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), unless it be in (a way) that is better (with good words and in good manner, inviting them to Islâmic Monotheism with His Verses), except with such of them as do wrong, and say (to them): "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you; our Ilâh (God) and your Ilâh (God) is One (i.e. Allâh), and to Him we have submitted (as Muslims)."

 

[Heidi]

Do you not read posts, Mushen? I will again say it in bold. You have also confirmed that allah teaches you to fight against your enemies, but Jesus said to love our enemies, do good to those who persecute you. "If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Do not even pagans do that?"

But allah teaches what the pagans teach. Love only those who love you, and kill those who don't love you! Again even children so that! That's easy.

Therefore allah talks out of both sides of his mouth. He preaches love & hate. Which one should we believe because they contradict each other? Again, "a house divided against itself cannot stand." If you can't see these basic contradictions, then I am sorry for you. You'll probably have to wait until you die to find out that the truth does not contradict itself.

 

[Agarash]

muhsen>>>

Brother Agarash, why they attack only Muslims everywhere?!!!!, Why as Muslims misunderstood that?!!, but in the same time when the few young people who do not represent Islam attack the twin towers, the others misunderstood that and they said this from Islam!!!!!

i know... im not blaming ISLAM for 9/11!! and whoever does so is wrong. you cant blame an entire religion for what a few extemists did. even if it is proven that those people were muslim, it doesnt matter what religion they were.

 

[Heidi]

The bible prophesied that the sons of ishmael would live in hostility with their neighbors. That has certainly shown itself to be true! Do you not believe the bible, Agarash?

 

[Gary]

Jihad

To study and understand what the Quran really teaches about holy war, and the treatment of non-Muslims, have a look at the following articles:

http://answering-islam.org/Bailey/jihad.html
http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes ... sages.html
http://answering-islam.org/Authors/Arla ... conomy.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Silas/jihad.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Silas/terrorism.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Silas/terrorist.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Silas/abu-afak.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Silas/ashraf.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Silas/kinana.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Silas/abu-afak.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Silas/femalecaptives.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Silas/spirit_of_islam.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Silas/theo_van_gogh.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Silas/kronemer.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Silas/pbs-special.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Silas/hassab ... lence1.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Silas/garyleupp.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Silas/juancole.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Silas/levine_truce.htm
http://answering-islam.org/Silas/meherally_pp.htm
http://answering-islam.org/BehindVeil/btv2.html
http://www.uq.net.au/slsoc/manussa/tr05manu.htm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/quran_teaches.htm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/Pe ... ic_law.htm
http://www.worthynews.com/news-features ... nding.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/005055.php
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/005440.php

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[YESHUA]

muhsen>>>

Brother Agarash, why they attack only Muslims everywhere?!!!!, Why as Muslims misunderstood that?!!, but in the same time when the few young people who do not represent Islam attack the twin towers, the others misunderstood that and they said this from Islam!!!!!

i know... im not blaming ISLAM for 9/11!! and whoever does so is wrong. you cant blame an entire religion for what a few extemists did. even if it is proven that those people were muslim, it doesnt matter what religion they were.

If you do not blame Islam for 9/11 then who do you blame?
As Heidi correctly point out it is prophesied that Ishmael will live in hostility with its neighbors not only then but always and as she said it has proven true.
And we're not talking about a few extremists we're talking about a life style doctrines handed down from generation a belief that promote the killing of the infidels and if you don't know it yet we the Christians and the Jews are the infidels.
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA the ONLY TRULY WAY TO HEAVEN

 

[Beena]

If Jesus preached to love your enemies why you kill Muslims everywhere?.
Where are Jesus teachings?. Muslims fight only for self-defense everywhere. and the whole world know that.

The gun was invented ONLY for self-defense but where have you seen it used for that? It is almost always used to kill. To me it seems that a majority, but not all muslims have a tendency to dominate others. In particular, the muslims in India are a peaceful bunch as compared to the rest, because of the multicultural Indian environment that has about 17 different languages and as many cultures, that live in harmony basically.

Anyway, majority of the muslims have a dominating tendency which makes them violent, which is precisely why they even fight among their own religion, the different sects, like the Shias with the Sunnis. This is why their own population went so down in the past when there was more violence because of less education, that not enough muslim men were around and so they started the system of having more than one wife, so most women could at least have a man. Don't live in denial. You can see more proof of the muslim's dominating tendency right here on the forums too. Where we bring in a sentence or two, they bring in a whole essay that is 3 screens long? Why? Is that not unfair to us? Ha!

Oh! And Jihad only comes in the context of a personal Jihad, that the muslim learns to curb his volatile, crude nature and make it more serene. Ask us why there is no mention of Jihad in other religions, is it not because other religion people are not violent and so need no Jihad? Nowdays we see a political Jihad too in the form of the Holy War. Doesn't Islam tell muslims, "to use the pen and not the sword?" Then why don't they? Besides, what is the logic behind, 'bringing peace by fighting a war?' Is a war ever Holy? And Holy only comes for God, so tell the muslim not to use the word for war. Ha! Are just the muslims dear to God? Are we not? Arey, God loves everyone. As for the believers, God did not send His Word to reside inside some Quran, Islam, Masjid, Mecca or Medina. He sent it to reside inside their heart and for them to become good samaritans. So, the Kafir who doesn't believe in religion but still believes in a universal God is much better than the believer who prays 5 times a day for no reason at all as God doesn't say pray to me, why would He do that? What would be the point? He just wants us to be good and do good. Need help, sure ask Him and it will be given, but one can ask for help from God anywhere because He is everywhere. I will not argue about this with anyone, so don't bother responding to my post.