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John the Baptist
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---John here:
We hear that we are now under Grace. Great, we are, Praise be to our Master! :fadein: First comes though, that we are [required to be Born Again.] :o Now & only now, we are Under Grace, Saving Grace! We are New Creatures..Reborn, but can we still sin?? Under Grace?? If we are under Grace from here on, do we now need our Hebrews 9:11-14's High Priest? Why????
"But Christ being come an High Priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building, Neither by the blood of goats and caves, but by His own blood he entered in once into the Holy Place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. ... (notice!) purge your conscience from dead works to serve a living God?"
So now & only now, we are Born Again & under Grace! That makes the 'conscience' at peace with the mind, huh? What is Christ now doing in verse 7?
But into the second [/u](MOST Holy Place)went the High Priest (earthly) alone once every year ... The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the Holiest of all was not [yet] made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing. Which was a figure of the true ... Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and [carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.]"
Did you get all of this? These laws all prefigured Christ 'Confirmation', death on the cross and our ever living High Priest. Now Grace?? No more Law?? And No Eternal COVENANT of Hebrews. 13:20's Ten Commandments inside of the MOST HOLY PLACE where Christ is now our High Priest??? (sounds satanic at best! see Daniel 7:25)
Again!! The law that was nailed to the cross is the Law of Moses that brought one up to the Most Holy place to the
We hear that we are now under Grace. Great, we are, Praise be to our Master! :fadein: First comes though, that we are [required to be Born Again.] :o Now & only now, we are Under Grace, Saving Grace! We are New Creatures..Reborn, but can we still sin?? Under Grace?? If we are under Grace from here on, do we now need our Hebrews 9:11-14's High Priest? Why????
"But Christ being come an High Priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building, Neither by the blood of goats and caves, but by His own blood he entered in once into the Holy Place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. ... (notice!) purge your conscience from dead works to serve a living God?"
So now & only now, we are Born Again & under Grace! That makes the 'conscience' at peace with the mind, huh? What is Christ now doing in verse 7?
But into the second [/u](MOST Holy Place)went the High Priest (earthly) alone once every year ... The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the Holiest of all was not [yet] made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing. Which was a figure of the true ... Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and [carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.]"
Did you get all of this? These laws all prefigured Christ 'Confirmation', death on the cross and our ever living High Priest. Now Grace?? No more Law?? And No Eternal COVENANT of Hebrews. 13:20's Ten Commandments inside of the MOST HOLY PLACE where Christ is now our High Priest??? (sounds satanic at best! see Daniel 7:25)
Again!! The law that was nailed to the cross is the Law of Moses that brought one up to the Most Holy place to the
of the Vail
that went rent. Got that
? [Everything from the Vail on is still INSIDE the MOST HOLY PLACE!!]
And does it say that the law of God was voided out here? Or the above law that prefigured the true? The Law's' that [Moses penned] which stood in 'washings', 'carnal ordinances' until the Galatians 3:19 'Promise' was confirmed? "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, til the seed should come to whom the promise was made..."
Well now, Christ came, and we are under Grace. This law of Moses [was added because of sin]. Yet, there would be no sin in heaven, (satan) or Adam on earth without the Eternal Covenant! (again, Hebrews 13:20) "Whosoever committeth sin trangresseth also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law" 1 John 3:4 So, it is not hard for any [Born Again] Christian to see that this ten Commandment Eternal Covenant is not these laws to the left of the cross of Christ, 'carnal ordinances, imposed upon them until the reformation', or the time that Christ became our High Priest. These were all the Law of Moses of Deuteronomy 31:9, Deuteronomy 31:24-25. that were placed in the side of the Ark of God, not inside of it where the Ten Commandments were kept that were fulfilled at the death of the Master.
The Ark of God was where??
Christ's death sent Him where as our High Priest?? The Vail of the earthly Temple was rent from top to bottom by an unseen hand, making the way into the Most Holy Place where the Ark of the Eternal Covenant of God is at, at the Present time! Notice Hebrews 9:3 "And after the second Vail, which is called the Holiest of all, which had ... the Ark of the Covenant ... and the tables of the Covenant" Moses laws remember were in the [side] of the Ark, not inside. Yet, [take note of this verse in Revelation 11:18-19 ".. and the time of the dead, that should be judged, and should have reward, ... ***And the Temple of God was *IN HEAVEN and there was SEEN THE ARK OF HIS TESTAMENT." Compare the time period even, with Ecclesiastes 12:13-14!! That is the now time!!!
Under Grace? Are you in need of Christ our High Priest? Why? Do you sin?? We see that it is not possible to sin without a law! (again 1 John 3:4)
So if one sins & is under Grace, then there is still an Eternal Covenant Law (ten Commandments) and there is still Grace if one asks for forgiveness of your sin right?? Do we believe in our Lords Prayer??
Now, when I sin, am I still under Grace without asking for forgiveness?
If I say yes, am I telling the Truth that I am under Grace while not asking for forgiveness, or have I just knowingly broken the Commandment of lying? Still under Grace you say?? If so, why have a High Priest Savior in the first place to ask forgiveness of 'our sins'? (again, no law, no sin) Don't get yourself caught is a 'g'ospel of untruth, and find oneself in the Obadiah 1:16 Eternally lost group!
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OK: [Sin of ignorance & sin of open knowledge].
(even known false doctrine) All transgression of the Eternal Covenant law is still sin! The Covenant in heaven is what Christ's work is pertaining to, for us. When we sin, we are right back condemned under the Eternal Covenant of God. We then ask for forgiveness of our sins. And then we are again forgiven.
But notice that [we] Born Again ones, are now said to be 'Led' by the Holy Ghost in Romans 8:14. Now, what are we being led to do? The Royal Eternal Covenant of the Godhead is perfect, [converting the soul!] It has no sin, it is the very 'Epistle' or Christ! 2 Corinthians 3:3 (perfect-flawless-CHARACTER!) The Holy Spirit leads us into all Truth, that is the Covenant of God. See Christ's work of Isaiah 42:21. That of MAGNIFYING His LAW EPISTLE and making it HONORABLE! For any to be led otherwise?? Is to revolt![/b] It [Grieves & it Quenches the one leading us!] In time He will quite His 'Striving' with us! See Acts 9:5 with Saul 'it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks' and Genesis 6:3 . There comes a time that we just will not be led, (see Luke 12:47-48) and God quits striving with us. See Revelation 3:16-17 .
Well, back in the Most Holy place of Grace while we are in obedience, we see in Hebrews 10:23 that it is not yet a done deal of once under Grace always under Grace. "Let us [hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering].." And Hebrews 10:26-29 "For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the Truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sin, But a certain fearful looking for of the judgement and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries." FACT!!
Under Grace you still say? When one knows that they are [openly] sinning 'willfully' the verse says? To say that I am under Grace while "willfully" sinning is bringing me right into Bondage of the breaking of the Eternal Covenant Law of God! Willfully, openly! Not only doing the lawbreaking, but with even being an PARTAKER of any sin. Revelation 18:4. Any known breaking of the Covenant of God, the 7th day Sabbath 'Openly' included! James 2:8-12. And it states that this Royal Law will be our standard in Judgement to see if our profession matches our character. See Nahum 1:9.
In closing: Born Again? Under Grace. Perfect at this point! Romans 8:1. The Positives of Hebrews 6:1-5! Then comes 'willful' dis/obedience, openly. (v. 6) What are we then [knowingly] doing?? All of us that are Born Again know for sure [what we are doing] when the Holy Spirit leads us and we go against His Leading! Remember forum, that these ones have the Covenant written in their 'minds'! See Hebrews 10:16.
Well, under Grace can change very quickly to being under Bondage, when 'willfully done'. Then notice what the ex/under Grace one knowingly has done? Hebrews 6:6 says: "... seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put Him to an [open] shame." There is no Born Again Christian that does not know when this James 1:15 sin starts its evil work! Unless they are still in 'sincere ignorance'! See Rev. 18:4. It matters not what you claim as truth, belief, fold, pastor status or whatever!
Lord, I love you, but I do not love your Eternal Covenant Epistle!?? Under Grace still? Hardly! See again Obadiah 1:16 for all of these knowledgable ones seen above.:
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"If ye love me keep my commandments" Christ says!
And does it say that the law of God was voided out here? Or the above law that prefigured the true? The Law's' that [Moses penned] which stood in 'washings', 'carnal ordinances' until the Galatians 3:19 'Promise' was confirmed? "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, til the seed should come to whom the promise was made..."
Well now, Christ came, and we are under Grace. This law of Moses [was added because of sin]. Yet, there would be no sin in heaven, (satan) or Adam on earth without the Eternal Covenant! (again, Hebrews 13:20) "Whosoever committeth sin trangresseth also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law" 1 John 3:4 So, it is not hard for any [Born Again] Christian to see that this ten Commandment Eternal Covenant is not these laws to the left of the cross of Christ, 'carnal ordinances, imposed upon them until the reformation', or the time that Christ became our High Priest. These were all the Law of Moses of Deuteronomy 31:9, Deuteronomy 31:24-25. that were placed in the side of the Ark of God, not inside of it where the Ten Commandments were kept that were fulfilled at the death of the Master.
The Ark of God was where??
Christ's death sent Him where as our High Priest?? The Vail of the earthly Temple was rent from top to bottom by an unseen hand, making the way into the Most Holy Place where the Ark of the Eternal Covenant of God is at, at the Present time! Notice Hebrews 9:3 "And after the second Vail, which is called the Holiest of all, which had ... the Ark of the Covenant ... and the tables of the Covenant" Moses laws remember were in the [side] of the Ark, not inside. Yet, [take note of this verse in Revelation 11:18-19 ".. and the time of the dead, that should be judged, and should have reward, ... ***And the Temple of God was *IN HEAVEN and there was SEEN THE ARK OF HIS TESTAMENT." Compare the time period even, with Ecclesiastes 12:13-14!! That is the now time!!!
Under Grace? Are you in need of Christ our High Priest? Why? Do you sin?? We see that it is not possible to sin without a law! (again 1 John 3:4)
So if one sins & is under Grace, then there is still an Eternal Covenant Law (ten Commandments) and there is still Grace if one asks for forgiveness of your sin right?? Do we believe in our Lords Prayer??
Now, when I sin, am I still under Grace without asking for forgiveness?
If I say yes, am I telling the Truth that I am under Grace while not asking for forgiveness, or have I just knowingly broken the Commandment of lying? Still under Grace you say?? If so, why have a High Priest Savior in the first place to ask forgiveness of 'our sins'? (again, no law, no sin) Don't get yourself caught is a 'g'ospel of untruth, and find oneself in the Obadiah 1:16 Eternally lost group!
: OK: [Sin of ignorance & sin of open knowledge].
(even known false doctrine) All transgression of the Eternal Covenant law is still sin! The Covenant in heaven is what Christ's work is pertaining to, for us. When we sin, we are right back condemned under the Eternal Covenant of God. We then ask for forgiveness of our sins. And then we are again forgiven.
But notice that [we] Born Again ones, are now said to be 'Led' by the Holy Ghost in Romans 8:14. Now, what are we being led to do? The Royal Eternal Covenant of the Godhead is perfect, [converting the soul!] It has no sin, it is the very 'Epistle' or Christ! 2 Corinthians 3:3 (perfect-flawless-CHARACTER!) The Holy Spirit leads us into all Truth, that is the Covenant of God. See Christ's work of Isaiah 42:21. That of MAGNIFYING His LAW EPISTLE and making it HONORABLE! For any to be led otherwise?? Is to revolt![/b] It [Grieves & it Quenches the one leading us!] In time He will quite His 'Striving' with us! See Acts 9:5 with Saul 'it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks' and Genesis 6:3 . There comes a time that we just will not be led, (see Luke 12:47-48) and God quits striving with us. See Revelation 3:16-17 .
Well, back in the Most Holy place of Grace while we are in obedience, we see in Hebrews 10:23 that it is not yet a done deal of once under Grace always under Grace. "Let us [hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering].." And Hebrews 10:26-29 "For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the Truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sin, But a certain fearful looking for of the judgement and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries." FACT!!
Under Grace you still say? When one knows that they are [openly] sinning 'willfully' the verse says? To say that I am under Grace while "willfully" sinning is bringing me right into Bondage of the breaking of the Eternal Covenant Law of God! Willfully, openly! Not only doing the lawbreaking, but with even being an PARTAKER of any sin. Revelation 18:4. Any known breaking of the Covenant of God, the 7th day Sabbath 'Openly' included! James 2:8-12. And it states that this Royal Law will be our standard in Judgement to see if our profession matches our character. See Nahum 1:9.
In closing: Born Again? Under Grace. Perfect at this point! Romans 8:1. The Positives of Hebrews 6:1-5! Then comes 'willful' dis/obedience, openly. (v. 6) What are we then [knowingly] doing?? All of us that are Born Again know for sure [what we are doing] when the Holy Spirit leads us and we go against His Leading! Remember forum, that these ones have the Covenant written in their 'minds'! See Hebrews 10:16.
Well, under Grace can change very quickly to being under Bondage, when 'willfully done'. Then notice what the ex/under Grace one knowingly has done? Hebrews 6:6 says: "... seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put Him to an [open] shame." There is no Born Again Christian that does not know when this James 1:15 sin starts its evil work! Unless they are still in 'sincere ignorance'! See Rev. 18:4. It matters not what you claim as truth, belief, fold, pastor status or whatever!
Lord, I love you, but I do not love your Eternal Covenant Epistle!?? Under Grace still? Hardly! See again Obadiah 1:16 for all of these knowledgable ones seen above.
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"If ye love me keep my commandments" Christ says!