There Will Be NO MAN As The Anti-Christ

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The Anti-Christ is mentioned 4 times in the New Testament (NOTE: nowhere in the book of Revelation)

All 4 of these statements are from John, here:

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Deductive logical reasonings should reveal the following (we have a sound mind to observe these matters: )

A.) There are MANY anti-Christs that were in the world then when John wrote those statements

B.) The anti-Christ is in fact a spirit, and one that is against or opposed to God and Jesus Christ

C.) Any 'man' in whom this 'spirit' resides show the SIGNS of that spirit being upon them as the 'activity' of that spirit is IN MAN.

To understand what that spirit against Christ is and does, one needs only to look at the statements of God or of His Christ and then see an OPPOSITE or OPPOSING statement.

Examples:

Jesus said I AM THE WAY

An anti-Christ spirit will DENY this as a fact

Jesus said I AM THE TRUTH

An anti-Christ spirit will DENY the Truth that Jesus Is

Jesus said I AM THE LIFE

An anti-Christ spirit will DENY that fact

One could take any 'I AM' statement of God or of His Christ...and that anti-Christ spirit will OPPOSE those statements or workings.

In this way there certainly ARE today MANY anti-Christ spirits speaking through MANY of mankind.

So why do I say there will be NO MAN as THE ANTI-Christ as many 'sensationalist' writings stipulate/postulate? Because there are NO SUCH PRESENTATIONs.

This working is a spirit that IS NOT MAN, but anti-Christ spirit. That anti-Christ spirit DOES speak through men, but as a spirit it can not logically BE a single man, as there are MANY such operations of 'that spirit' in MANY of mankind.

The 'working' itself is of a spirit IN MAN that is NOT the man in whom such operations are shown. These are, in effect, CAPTIVES of that spirit.

NO MAN is The Anti-Christ as that is a spirit that works against The I Am.

Let's look at HOW scriptures advise us to see ANY individual man:

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

James 3:
8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.

Please, IF YOU CAN, by all means OBSERVE the simplicity of these matters.

We are to CURSE NO MAN. Men are made after the similitude of GOD HIMSELF as expressed in the form of Jesus Christ. We do not curse THAT which God Himself has MADE and FORMED...that being MAN.

This basic principle is shown again and again, many times, many ways:

Titus 3:2
To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.

Obviously we CAN speak EVIL of the anti-Christ SPIRIT, but this again does NOT make A MAN that spirit. Seems fairly simple doesn't it?

Let's look some more:

Acts 10:28
And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

The anti-Christ 'spirit' is obviously UNCLEAN as it is against everything that God Is. But this still does not authorize us to slur ANY MAN on that basis, as it is the working of 'a spirit' in MAN that is NOT THAT MAN.


We should, in our RIGHT MIND see this working for what it is:

A CAPTIVITY of that MAN by that spirit. . There is 'a difference' between the CAPTOR and the captive.

The greatest measure of these matters? HOW are we supposed to treat ALL of our neighbors? This should be the very EASIEST matter to see in the text, but it is the LEAST practiced matter in 'believers: '

I am going to cite only a FEW of MANY such statements in the HOPE that you see this single fact as to 'how' we are to TREAT other people, MANKIND, as our neighbors:

Matthew 19:19
Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Matthew 22:39
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Mark 12:31
And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Mark 12:33
And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

Luke 10:27
And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

I will contend that ALL MANKIND is in fact 'our' neighbors. Yet the practice of this matter is FAR FROM MOST believers. I will not elaborate...yet.

Finally, there is a very great WARNING given by John the Apostle to us as believers in relationship to the working of the Anti-Christ spirit...which I hope sinks DEEPLY into your own heart and mind:

2 John 1:
7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.

Any poster desiring to speak in these matters, please STICK to facts for 'exchange.' Fact over FANCY is the best form of communication.

Any not posting, but just reading, I hope you are BLESSED by the WORDS of God! You have my BLESSING as my neighbors regardless of YOUR state. I know the difference between MANKIND and that spirit.

God LOVES you. God does HATE that anti-Christ spirit that may have you presently COVERED. My prayer is that you HEAR the Word of God, and KEEP it in your own heart by HIS HOLY SPIRIT, and LOVE YOUR NEIGHBORS as YOURSELF.

enjoy!

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[Shilohsfoal]

John said there were many antichrists in the world 2000 years ago.
Was John speaking of one spirit or was he speaking of many people?

 

[Sissy]

John said there were many antichrists in the world 2000 years ago.
Was John speaking of one spirit or was he speaking of many people?

Many people.

 

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John said there were many antichrists in the world 2000 years ago.
Was John speaking of one spirit or was he speaking of many people?

The anti-Christ spirit is Satan who blinds the minds of ALL who do not believe or see in full. All of us were prior planted or sown. Whether we live or die is upon our lips from the speakings of our hearts. We who believe are seed that dies because of sin and understand our weakness, our corruption, our dishonour, our natural bodies, that the Strength of God would reside in Light upon us in this present weakness.

The fruit thereof Is His Produce of the Spirit and in the Truth of these matters.

Blessed are those who die, are blind, deaf and are led to see and hear By His Light and find HIS LIFE.

No man can make us understand.

God Proves Himself within those whom are His.

enjoy!

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[Strangelove]

John said there were many antichrists in the world 2000 years ago.
Was John speaking of one spirit or was he speaking of many people?

Many people

 

[Strangelove]

We are to CURSE NO MAN. Men are made after the similitude of GOD HIMSELF as expressed in the form of Jesus Christ. We do not curse THAT which God Himself has MADE and FORMED...that being MAN.

Question to the forum:

Are we CURSING men when we show their antichrist doctrines to be in error?

Are we CURSING men when we warn our brethren to stay away from those who have the antichrist spirit dwelling within them?

Are we showing love when we do these things or are we CURSING?

Pop quiz.

psssstttt.....hint:

curse - a. An appeal or prayer for evil or misfortune to befall someone or something.

1. To invoke evil or misfortune upon; damn.
2. To swear at.
3. To bring evil upon; afflict: was cursed with crippling arthritis.
4. Ecclesiastical To put under a ban or an anathema; excommunicate.

psssttt.....bearing in mind that ALL have the promise and option of Christ

 

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Question to the forum:

Are we CURSING men when we show their antichrist doctrines to be in error?

The entirety of your rantings revolve around Gods Words being not true. How devolved is that?

IF any man has a different reflection of those words and 'tries' to accept and follow same, where is your cause to deride?

Are we CURSING men when we warn our brethren to stay away from those who have the antichrist spirit dwelling within them?

The Truth of Gods Words speak to all prisoners of sin equally. No man has 'less' sin than another. Sin is sin. All have it.

Are we showing love when we do these things or are we CURSING?

IF the anti-Christ is a spirit upon the man, you would not seem to understand that yet, and continue reviling MAN.

That ought NOT to be so.

Pop quiz.

psssstttt.....hint:

curse - a. An appeal or prayer for evil or misfortune to befall someone or something.

1. To invoke evil or misfortune upon; damn.
2. To swear at.
3. To bring evil upon; afflict: was cursed with crippling arthritis.
4. Ecclesiastical To put under a ban or an anathema; excommunicate.

psssttt.....bearing in mind that ALL have the promise and option of Christ

Your version of same is what you mean. If your version of Christ includes denying ANY Words of God and to rail upon your fellow man as you obviously do, that version I reject and would expect others who love God in Christ and their neighbors not to be led into such darkness.

Any 'believer' should be able to see that the workings of the anti-Christ spirit are NOT the same as the MAN that spirit is upon. You do not and can not see this matter as openly evidenced by your railings.

We can love our neighbors, all. This is the right and a portion of joy from God in Christ to all who believe.

IF you want to judge, then start with yourself in accurate judgments. You may quickly drop that hot potato unto other people when you do so, and be led to see the 'real' workings of that anti-Christ spirit is NOT THEM.

enjoy!

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[Strangelove]

Mr. Smallers "Railing" of Seventh Day Adventists on a different thread:

I said same with tongue somewhat slightly in cheek. When anyone shows their 'branding' then many of their statements and positions become clarified for me as I know most 'branding' positions, such as is the case with the 7th Day'ers.

That being said, all such branding does produce certain trails of understandings of all scriptural matters, which same I have examined in most cases and also in most some of those trails I avoid as these are not the only trails available.

You for example instantly trot out the Law, which same I agree that every jot and tittle remains effective, in full force and effect and primarily AGAINST all workings of LAWLESSNESS.

As to the many determinations of the 7th Dayers in these matters, I simply take their views, place them next to, oh, say Paul for example in Romans 13: 8-10 and see HOW Paul said to 'observe' ANY COMMANDMENT, and compare that to the 7th Dayer determination and say...hmmm? They don't seem to man up for me.

Very easy to 'see the differences.'

The 'end times' church will go out in LOVE to one another.

There is no other path that can be 'contrived' by 'man-groups.'

enjoy!

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Why are you railing Smaller?

Why are you CURSING the 7th Day Adventists Smaller?

Don't you know its the Devil Mr. Smaller?

Where is your cause to deride ....if a man has different reflections on scripture than YOU?

Why do you continue reviling MAN?

What happened to loving your neighbour?

Cant you see that the real antichrist spirit is NOT THEM?

In short Mr.Smaller...Why are you a HYPOCRITE?

Whats the matter? Is the potato a little too hot for you to handle now?

ouch......ouch,,,,,,:shocked!

 

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Mr. Smallers "Railing" of Seventh Day Adventists on a different thread:

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Why are you railing Smaller?

I judge no 7th Dayer. I love them as brothers. We may not see eye to eye on positions. Positions are NOT people. I believe THEY ARE ALL saved.

Your point?

Don't you know its the Devil Mr. Smaller?

The SIN we all have is of the DEVIL Mr. Stranglove. Not just the 'Jew sin.'

Where is your cause to deride ....if a man has different reflections on scripture than YOU?

Indeed. Scripture brings the FACT that we all have and DO sin, and the connections to the TEMPTER in MIND through ACTION is unavoidable.

What does that reflection mean to YOU?

Why do you continue reviling MAN?

What happened to loving your neighbour?

Most obviously we do view DIFFERENT PARTIES in these matters don't we?

I do 'not count' sins against mankind per THE SCRIPTURES: 2 Cor. 5:19

I might say both you and the 7th Dayer can not make that claim.

Cant you see that the real antichrist spirit is NOT THEM?

In short Mr.Smaller...Why are you a HYPOCRITE?

I do look in the scriptural direction that does NOT make me have to see MAN as the cause. I will also pin that same working in myself.

Can YOU?

I'm sure Gods Words, were not A RESISTOR upon you, could show simple fact?

But you see it is NOT YOU who is in operations in that matter. There are no reasonings available for MANY believers in these matters. That has been PUT OFF THE TABLE of their MINDS by the very matters I write of from the scriptures and caused by an operation that IS NOT THEM.

enjoy!

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[Elvispelvis]

To begin we must look at who what where when why to understand these verses.
All christians deny He came in the flesh when they say He is God.

All christians say they killed God on the cross yet you cannot kill God.
John was speaking of the last times, the end times, our time also, its prophecy.

The history of the church for 2000 years is that Jesus is God and did not come as a man like you and me.
The anti-christ fairy tale that He wouls come in the future is an old wives tale started by Ribera the Jesuit
in the 1600's and continues to this day.

Smaller is correct when he says that anti-christ is not a man but a false spirit.


1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
Clearly to understand The Father and the Son and how one is the father and the other is the son sounds easy yet christians say they are co equal and co eternal and Jesus has always been alive before He was born.
So if you say they are co equal you deny the Father and the Son with the Father above Jesus you are anti christ because you deny the Father and Son manifestation to the world.

1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

If you say Jesus is God then He did not come in the flesh and you have the spirit of anti christ.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

So it does not speak of a future anti christ but the spirit has always been here and is already in the world.
The fable and old wives tale of a future antichrist was a story made up by the church many years ago
to take the heat off of the church.

Please study the old testament

 

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1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

IN the world of 'christadelphians' there is NO DEVIL or ANTI-CHRIST but ...

MAN....

You avoid engaging me over this fact. And you know it will be ugly when if you do.

-They deny that Jesus is God in flesh. (Answers, p. 22)
-They teach that Jesus had a sin nature (What They Believe, p. 74)
-They teach that Jesus needed to save himself, before he could save us. (Christadelphian Answers, p. 24)
-They deny the doctrine of the Trinity. (What They Believe, p. 84-87)
-They deny the existence of the fallen angel Lucifer as the devil. (Answers, p. 100)

In short Mr. ElvisPelvis, most believers would consider such a group a VERY STRAY 'cult.'

IF that is not your group, you have my apologies in advance.

enjoy!

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[Strangelove]

I judge no 7th Dayer. I love them as brothers. We may not see eye to eye on positions. Positions are NOT people. I believe THEY ARE ALL saved.

Your point?

My point is, how is your railing of 7th dayers different to any railing you accuse me of. If they are different then QUOTE ME and show how I am more guilty than you.

The SIN we all have is of the DEVIL Mr. Stranglove. Not just the 'Jew sin.'

What is 'Jew sin'? I've never heard that before. Is this a quote? If so a quote from whom?

Indeed. Scripture brings the FACT that we all have and DO sin, and the connections to the TEMPTER in MIND through ACTION is unavoidable.

What does that reflection mean to YOU?

1) we all have and DO sin. Check. got it. Agreed.
2) connections to the TEMPTER in MIND through ACTION is unavoidable. Theres a connection to Satan>? Ok. So?

Most obviously we do view DIFFERENT PARTIES in these matters don't we?

I do 'not count' sins against mankind per THE SCRIPTURES: 2 Cor. 5:19

I might say both you and the 7th Dayer can not make that claim.

Yawn. I'm not getting into that snoozefest again. Men are responsible for their actions. Cor. 5:19 doesnt support your wacky position....NOT EVEN CLOSE!

5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,
not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto
us the word of reconciliation.​

I do look in the scriptural direction that does NOT make me have to see MAN as the cause. I will also pin that same working in myself.

Can YOU?

Can I what? Pin the working in myself not to see man as the cause?

Thats just gibberish. LOLZ.

I'm sure Gods Words, were not A RESISTOR upon you, could show simple fact?

I wish you would show some facts cos all your coming out with is hypocritical accusations. Why are you railing me?

But you see it is NOT YOU who is in operations in that matter. There are no reasonings available for MANY believers in these matters. That has been PUT OFF THE TABLE of their MINDS by the very matters I write of from the scriptures and caused by an operation that IS NOT THEM.

?.....another riddle.

 

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To begin we must look at who what where when why to understand these verses.
All christians deny He came in the flesh when they say He is God.

I'd prefer to stay away from this matter, but will say that I do not see that way.

Yet I will not condemn any man over a 'mystery.' Most 'alternatives' to orthodox determinations on these matters simply do not fit imho.

All christians say they killed God on the cross yet you cannot kill God.

There is no doubt that the Fullness of The Spirit of God resided in His flesh. HIS BODY suffered very real DEATH, and was thusly GLORIFIED.

John was speaking of the last times, the end times, our time also, its prophecy.

End times discussions can be very problematic. Most of these matters remain cloaked in allegories, figures, types and parables.

The history of the church for 2000 years is that Jesus is God and did not come as a man like you and me.

Not true whatsoever. All orthodoxy believes that God was In Christ as A MAN...

The crucial difference being, WITHOUT SIN. Satan had 'nothing' in Him. Your view on this is not correct as it applies to general orthodox views.

The anti-christ fairy tale that He wouls come in the future is an old wives tale started by Ribera the Jesuit
in the 1600's and continues to this day.

I agree that there are many christian fairy tales on this exact matter. It is profitable for many writers to scare people and to turn believers against each other, such as D. Hunt making the RCC the Whore of Babylon. (a patent absurdity.) Many of the same claim formats are used against Jews or other sects.

Smaller is correct when he says that anti-christ is not a man but a false spirit.

You do see the man and that spirit are NOT the same?

If so, I stand OPENLY CORRECTED on my prior statements of what you may believe in this matter. You are welcome to clarify here if you would.

So it does not speak of a future anti christ but the spirit has always been here and is already in the world.

Indeed it is so. And many are subjects to that working in their hearts.

The fable and old wives tale of a future antichrist was a story made up by the church many years ago
to take the heat off of the church.

Please study the old testament

The anti-Christ spirit was in the Garden as 'a serpent.'

Many 'serpent/viper' works are shown throughout the text.

The difficulty of ALL understandings is when they see ONLY MAN and NOT the working reality of those 'spirits' that ARE NOT MEN, but are VIPERS/SNAKES or, in short, DEVILS.

In this way NO MAN should be viewed ALONE.

Thankfully we have OUR SAVIOUR in our 'midst.'

enjoy!

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My point is, how is your railing of 7th dayers different to any railing you accuse me of.

Uh, no, it is QUITE different and based on the factual exchanges therein. Those 'exchanges' resemble yours NOT ONE WHIT.

If they are different then QUOTE ME and show how I am more guilty than you.

All discussions bear out in details. Your claims remain unsubstantiated by details. The reality is that you do not understand the details and are not able to engage, and then you resort to various forms of irrelevant sensationalisms as shown above. Not a character of civil discourse.

I do enjoy civil, reasoned, logical and solid discourse. There should be no fear to any people engaged in this way.

God has theoretically given us sound minds, even the MIND OF CHRIST...by HIS WORDS to make our civil discourses.

What is 'Jew sin'? I've never heard that before. Is this a quote? If so a quote from whom?

Look at any of your cut and pastes. They speak for themselves. Just as Dave Hunt sells end times books by the score over riling up ANTI-CATHOLIC hatred, so do other false preachers RILE their paying flocks over JEW sensationalisms or MUSLIM sensationalisms.

All of those matters make the adherents PAWNS of those mens FALSE understandings.

1) we all have and DO sin. Check. got it. Agreed.

Wow. Kudos to the facts.

2) connections to the TEMPTER in MIND through ACTION is unavoidable. Theres a connection to Satan>? Ok. So?

Yeah, that is pretty much where we depart company. Where you rant upon the Jew, one only needs to look to the facts, and in that make applications to SELF first.

Throwing stones at other sinners is the action of Pharisees and hypocrites. You may call them 'warnings' or anything else you please. The realities of SIN which is OF THE DEVIL is a universal application to ALL MANKIND, not just Jews and their systems or Muslims and their systems or any other groups or sects and their SYSTEMS.

There are much more interesting things to engage in.

Yawn. I'm not getting into that snoozefest again. Men are responsible for their actions. Cor. 5:19 doesnt support your wacky position....NOT EVEN CLOSE!

The same sensationalism that Dave Hunt writes is used on other sects such as Muslims and Jews. Don't you realize that these are FOR PROFIT engagements with the gullible?

2 Corinthians 5:19
that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

What part of that don't you get?

Can I what? Pin the working in myself not to see man as the cause?

Thats just gibberish. LOLZ.

I know what I see doesn't fit your JEW SENSATIONALISM. Sorry.

I wish you would show some facts cos all your coming out with is hypocritical accusations. Why are you railing me?

Anytime you want a discussion of scriptural details you are welcome. Your spin outside of that however does not interest me, nor does EVASION of engagements.

?.....another riddle.

Many believers do not have a simple grip on basic subject matter. Many conversations revolve around assertions that can not possibly be TRUE or TRUTHFUL.

I really do prefer truthful discussions.

enjoy!

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[Strangelove]

Uh, no, it is QUITE different and based on the factual exchanges therein. Those 'exchanges' resemble yours NOT ONE WHIT.

All discussions bear out in details. Your claims remain unsubstantiated by details. The reality is that you do not understand the details and are not able to engage, and then you resort to various forms of irrelevant sensationalisms as shown above. Not a character of civil discourse.

I do enjoy civil, reasoned, logical and solid discourse. There should be no fear to any people engaged in this way.

God has theoretically given us sound minds, even the MIND OF CHRIST...by HIS WORDS to make our civil discourses.

Look at any of your cut and pastes. They speak for themselves. Just as Dave Hunt sells end times books by the score over riling up ANTI-CATHOLIC hatred, so do other false preachers RILE their paying flocks over JEW sensationalisms or MUSLIM sensationalisms.

All of those matters make the adherents PAWNS of those mens FALSE understandings.

So you cannot QUOTE ME anywhere where I am more guilty than you in our "railings"?

I rest my case. You are a false accuser OR a hypocrite.

Yeah, that is pretty much where we depart company. Where you rant upon the Jew, one only needs to look to the facts, and in that make applications to SELF first.

Dont make false accusations. QUOTE ME where I "rant upon the Jew"

Throwing stones at other sinners is the action of Pharisees and hypocrites. You may call them 'warnings' or anything else you please. The realities of SIN which is OF THE DEVIL is a universal application to ALL MANKIND, not just Jews and their systems or Muslims and their systems or any other groups or sects and their SYSTEMS.

So why do you throw stones at the 7th day adventists and their systems?

Why do you deride them and their SYSTEMS? Why do you HATE them?

You are a hypocrite sir!

2 Corinthians 5:19
that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

What part of that don't you get?

I dont get how you make these two things the same:

1) God wont count mens sins against them
2) Men arn't responsible for their sins.

They are completely different. :shocked!

I know what I see doesn't fit your JEW SENSATIONALISM. Sorry.

No need to apologise...just QUOTE what you consider to be JEW SENSATIONALISM. Lets see it.

But you can't can you? Because you know anything you bring forward I will say is NOT about Jews but about the Synagogue of Satan who are the ones who SAY they are Jews but DO LIE. Am I allowed to rail on them Mr.S? Or are they out of bounds too?

 

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So you cannot QUOTE ME anywhere where I am more guilty than you in our "railings"?

I rest my case. You are a false accuser OR a hypocrite.

Please spare me the psycho drama.

The only statement I have ever applied to what you 'perpetually' do with the whole JEW thing is that you MISS THE TARGET.

Dont make false accusations. QUOTE ME where I "rant upon the Jew"

Do you even bother to read your own 'cut and pastes?'

So why do you throw stones at the 7th day adventists and their systems?

Already said discussing positional conclusions and NOT the holders. When you say 'the Jews' do this or do that there is no need to PIN the MAN. The discussions are positional conclusions.

IF at the root of these matters we know that it is a spirit that IS NOT THE MAN upon whom that spirit resides, in this case THE ANTI-CHRIST spirit,

then we have found THE REAL CULPRIT...and tis NOT the JEW as you suppose.

Why do you deride them and their SYSTEMS? Why do you HATE them?

You are a hypocrite sir!

I believe the 7th Dayers are saved believers. What is your intent beyond that? I can't measure any better to them than that. Your statement is therein false.

I have no issues in discussions of positional matters as matters of facts and civil discourse, not PEOPLE. That is the SPIRIT of honest discussions.

I dont get how you make these two things the same:

1) God wont count mens sins against them
2) Men arn't responsible for their sins.

When YOU make yourself SINLESS just let me know.

NO MAN makes the 'anti-Christ' spirit or the DEVIL who is in fact connected to ALL SIN from TEMPTATION to ACT 'responsible' NOR can that working be STOPPED. It is not 'just' the MAN involved with these matters.

NO MAN will be making 'the DEVIL' responsible. It simply won't happen. You are certainly welcome to show how you make the DEVIL obedient.

But you can't can you? Because you know anything you bring forward I will say is NOT about Jews but about the Synagogue of Satan who are the ones who SAY they are Jews but DO LIE. Am I allowed to rail on them Mr.S? Or are they out of bounds too?

You don't seem able to differentiate between the captive and the CAPTOR.

What do you expect to gain if you yourself can't seem to see the difference?

zzzz...wake up.

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[Elvispelvis]

Smaller said:

IN the world of 'christadelphians' there is NO DEVIL or ANTI-CHRIST but ...

MAN....

You avoid engaging me over this fact. And you know it will be ugly when if you do.

-They deny that Jesus is God in flesh. (Answers, p. 22)
-They teach that Jesus had a sin nature (What They Believe, p. 74)
-They teach that Jesus needed to save himself, before he could save us. (Christadelphian Answers, p. 24)
-They deny the doctrine of the Trinity. (What They Believe, p. 84-87)
-They deny the existence of the fallen angel Lucifer as the devil. (Answers, p. 100)

In short Mr. ElvisPelvis, most believers would consider such a group a VERY STRAY 'cult.'

IF that is not your group, you have my apologies in advance.

Elvispelvis said :

I am guilty as charged thank you very much for the honorable mention for you are correct there are only 50,000
of us in the whole world. My ancestors the Hugeonots and the Waldenses were killed for being a cult
heretics they call us. What an honor to be martyred by the church and to be hated by all christians.

I am not allowed in any RC church, or Protestant Church, when they find out who I am, I am asked to leave.

I have been banned from many religious sites including Facebook , once they find out who I am .

Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Mar 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Luk 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute [you], delivering [you] up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

Christadelphians are put in prison, all over the third world, we will not kill in the wars of the governments ,"for we are not of this country but look for a future country which shall come sown from heaven."
We believe thou shalt not kill is a commandment till God changes it .

Luk 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake.

Jhn 15:21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.

Act 9:16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

Rev 2:3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.

As you say smaller we say Yeshua was not God in any way shape or form.

As it was in the days of Noah only eight were saved out of millions on the earth.
So shall be the coming of the Son Of Man!!

 

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Elvispelvis said :

I am guilty as charged thank you very much for the honorable mention for you are correct there are only 50,000
of us in the whole world. My ancestors the Hugeonots and the Waldenses were killed for being a cult
heretics they call us. What an honor to be martyred by the church and to be hated by all christians.

I am not allowed in any RC church, or Protestant Church, when they find out who I am, I am asked to leave.

Well, Jim Jones had fewer so numbers counts are kinda irrelevant.

And all of us sit as condemned heretics in ANY RCC pew, so that part is out as well.

IF a day comes when only your group is hunted down and beheaded, I will be very surprised and do NOT believe that will happen.

Maybe EVERYONE who names Jesus as their Saviour, but certainly not 'only' your sect. Though many 'sects' have made that claim by their past persecutions and try to use that to prove their 'legitimacies.' Including a vast array of Protestants I may add.

I have been banned from many religious sites including Facebook , once they find out who I am .

Well, I find that hard to believe. Facebook will take anyone. But I haven't read their 'terms of service' for religious Facebook sites.

Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Well, I'll eliminate your view right now by openly saying I DON'T HATE YOU so you are thereby wrong in the ALL MEN understanding.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

I would consider that many nations remain somewhat ambivalent on 'religious sectarianism' matters. Last time I checked the U.S. certainly allows your beliefs to be practiced if not against the law.

Mar 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Luk 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute [you], delivering [you] up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

Christadelphians are put in prison, all over the third world, we will not kill in the wars of the governments ,"for we are not of this country but look for a future country which shall come sown from heaven."
We believe thou shalt not kill is a commandment till God changes it .

I believe there are deeper matters to view with the scriptures you present above, but that may be for another thread. Many believers do not believe it right to KILL MEN. I might also point out that your positions do in fact the same when they conscribe outsiders to PERMANENT DEATH upon physical death.

Death is not merely a flesh matter ya know. Men kill men everyday in their 'hearts.' Particularly so in the realms of MOST 'religions.'

Believe LIKE ME or you are ETERNALLY DEAD or TORTURED is the cry of most religious people. You are not 'AFAR' off of this same matter 'in heart.'

As you say smaller we say Yeshua was not God in any way shape or form.

I really don't know the details of these matters. My point in this thread was made, and you seemed to agree, that the Anti-Christ spirits are NOT MAN but these 'spirits' do WORK in and upon MANY of mankind.

I would think many of us could come to agreement on this simplicity?

As it was in the days of Noah only eight were saved out of millions on the earth.
So shall be the coming of the Son Of Man!!

Indeedy so. But again, we will divert. You will see these as EXTERNAL matters.

I see same as THE SPIRIT OF GOD in resistance to the other spirits IN question, and not then MAN-centric in the depictions.

And thank you for showing SOME response. I do appreciate that!

enjoy!

smaller

 

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Smaller said:

IN the world of 'christadelphians' there is NO DEVIL or ANTI-CHRIST but ...

MAN....

You avoid engaging me over this fact. And you know it will be ugly when if you do.

-They deny that Jesus is God in flesh. (Answers, p. 22)
-They teach that Jesus had a sin nature (What They Believe, p. 74)
-They teach that Jesus needed to save himself, before he could save us. (Christadelphian Answers, p. 24)
-They deny the doctrine of the Trinity. (What They Believe, p. 84-87)
-They deny the existence of the fallen angel Lucifer as the devil. (Answers, p. 100)

In short Mr. ElvisPelvis, most believers would consider such a group a VERY STRAY 'cult.'

IF that is not your group, you have my apologies in advance.

Elvispelvis said :

I am guilty as charged thank you very much for the honorable mention for you are correct there are only 50,000
of us in the whole world. My ancestors the Hugeonots and the Waldenses were killed for being a cult
heretics they call us. What an honor to be martyred by the church and to be hated by all christians.

I am not allowed in any RC church, or Protestant Church, when they find out who I am, I am asked to leave.

I have been banned from many religious sites including Facebook , once they find out who I am .

Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Mar 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Luk 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute [you], delivering [you] up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

Christadelphians are put in prison, all over the third world, we will not kill in the wars of the governments ,"for we are not of this country but look for a future country which shall come sown from heaven."
We believe thou shalt not kill is a commandment till God changes it .

Luk 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake.

Jhn 15:21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.

Act 9:16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

Rev 2:3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.

As you say smaller we say Yeshua was not God in any way shape or form.

As it was in the days of Noah only eight were saved out of millions on the earth.
So shall be the coming of the Son Of Man!!

How do the 50,000 of you decide which eight get to be saved?:eeeekkk

 

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How do the 50,000 of you decide which eight get to be saved?:eeeekkk

chuckles on that one.

At least the JW's git 144,000 in the door. Pity the balance of them.