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They Have Went Way To Far

Lewis

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They have went to far' I have seen some of this video yesterday. And some parents are pulling their kids out of public schools because of it. I mean these idiots are teaching our children' that homosexuality' is good and it is normal. You all should have seen that video. It shows homosexual couples and children being families' it was sick looking. Man God is going to destroy many. It shows male couples with their children' and female couples with their children. And all colors of people to appeal to the masses. I got very angry watching it.


BRAVE NEW SCHOOLS
Teachers insist: Being 'gay' good
'Educators' promoting homosexuality no matter what children learn at home


© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

A nationally distributed training video produced by a "gay" advocacy group – which claims it's been shown on more than 100 public television stations – advises teachers to promote homosexuality as normal and healthy to children as young as kindergarten age, regardless of what values the child has been taught at home.

"We are asking kids to believe this [homosexuality] is right. Not as a matter of moral principle, but as a matter of, we're educating them and this is part of what we consider to be a healthy education," one unidentified teacher said during the videotaped meeting of educators preparing to teach – or as their critics charge, "brainwash" – their students.

That particular response was to a question from another teacher who wondered how to approach homosexual advocacy when a student comes from a background of biblical teaching, that is, that homosexuality is a sin.

"I don't know what to do about this but, as a school are we saying that kids have to support this? I guess that's what it sounds like to me that we're saying. If a child comes from a background that says homosexuality is not correct, are we telling that child that they're supposed to, this is what you are supposed to do?" asked the teacher.

(Story continues below)

The answer was a resounding yes.

The comments are just some of what is horrifying parents who now are seeing video clips of the "It's Elementary" video prepared for use in schools.

Brian Camenker, who heads the Mass Resistance organization, has publicized the videos, and told WND said people are flooding his office with calls, asking what they can do.

"They're physically sickened by watching that. People with kids are wondering is this what's going to happen to them in schools in America," Camenker told WND. "The reaction we've gotten has been overwhelming.

"It's one thing in the abstract to read about what's happening in the schools, it's another thing to actually see it," he said.

The videos are available for viewing on the Mass Resistance website.

The excerpts show actual footage of teachers indoctrinating children that homosexuality is "healthy education."

As WND has reported, California lawmakers currently are considering a bill that would not only promote homosexuality, it would ban anything from public schools that could be perceived as "reflecting adversely" on the homosexual lifestyle choice.

Could that target a statement of Christian belief, or a Bible verse? Sure, say those battling the issue.

Camenker said the videos originally were posted on Youtube, but were taken down suddenly to be replaced with some pro-homosexual promotions. "It's some really nasty stuff. The gays have put up things calling anybody who doesn't [endorse homosexuality] bigots," he said.

Camenker said the 78-minute video was produced and distributed by homosexual activists and is "meant to be a training video for homosexual activist teachers across the country."

The video shows administrators telling teachers to talk "about gay and lesbian issues" and teachers showing students pictures of celebrity homosexuals.

Students are grilled by teachers about how they would feel if someone told them they couldn't have two moms. "What do you mean by open-minded?" a teacher asks what appears to be about a 1st-grader.

"If you're not very open-minded, say there's a new vegetable, then you won't try it. If you are open-minded, then you would try it," the student responds.

Another teacher asks students to think about words that would "make a gay person feel bad."

Another adult is quoted, "I don't think it's appropriate that values only be taught at home …"

Still another segment shows young children applauding wildly as a teacher publicly announces his homosexuality.

"Although 'It's Elementary' was made over a decade ago, it's still a major training film for homosexual activists, is still being shown in schools across the country, and has become a standard feature at homosexual teachers' conferences," the Mass Resistance site says. "How much further has that agenda reached since then? How many more young children are being desensitized to homosexuality in their young years by these sophisticated techniques. And more importantly, when are you going to get involved to do something about it?"

A LifeSiteNews report quoted Stephen Bennett, who runs Stephen Bennett Ministries as warning about the "brainwashing" shown in the video.

Bennett told LifeSiteNews he was horrified, and "had tears in my eyes" after watching. "It's so heartbreaking to see little kids brainwashed," he said.

The online company that still sells the video notes that it has been shown on more than 100 public television stations and "model's excellent teaching about family diversity, name-calling, stereotypes, community building and more."

"We make films that make change," said Women's Educational Media, the maker. "We ensure that our films are used to inspire meaningful social change."

It also has produced films promoting homosexuals as parents and the 2004 San Francisco debacle where thousands of same-sex couples were given marriage licenses that later were declared invalid by the state Supreme Court.

The homosexual activist strategy is stated plainly in the film's promotion. "Waiting to teach children to accept differences of all kinds until middle school or high school is too late; statistics show that by sixth, seventh and eight grades, harmful stereotypes already have begun to take hold …"
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=55429
 
Lewis W said:
Man God is going to destroy many.


We have a responsibility to bring the good news of Jesus Christ to the masses - that even though we were enemies of God, He still sent His Son Jesus Christ to be the sacrifice for our sins - so that we might not be destroyed, but for those who believe - eternal life!

Your post should fuel the desire to share the gospel message! Thanks for the re-fueling.
 
What if they had made a video saying it is ok to have racially different parents? They would be able to show it today and people would be ok and supportive of it.

However, if they showed the video 50 years ago, they would have parents protesting and claiming that God is going to be mad. They would talk about how the world is turning from Christian beliefs, etc.

Homosexual marrriage is just following the exact same historical path as interracial marriage. People are using the same arguments in the past as they do today. So I fully expect for gay marriage to wind up in the exact same state as interracial marriage is.
 
Quath said:
What if they had made a video saying it is ok to have racially different parents? They would be able to show it today and people would be ok and supportive of it.

However, if they showed the video 50 years ago, they would have parents protesting and claiming that God is going to be mad. They would talk about how the world is turning from Christian beliefs, etc.

Homosexual marrriage is just following the exact same historical path as interracial marriage. People are using the same arguments in the past as they do today. So I fully expect for gay marriage to wind up in the exact same state as interracial marriage is.
There comes a day when there will not be any interracial marriages, nor will there be any gays.
 
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Sex Movie being show to 3rd Graders
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Gay Awareness at School - DON'T Tell the Parents!!
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Not the only sexual immorality...
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speaking out against all sexual sin

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Parents Groups Ask Maryland to Stop New, Gender-Confused Sex
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Ex-Gay Backs Mohler: Homosexuality is a Sin
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GLSEN must be stopped!

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Quath said:
What if they had made a video saying it is ok to have racially different parents? They would be able to show it today and people would be ok and supportive of it.

However, if they showed the video 50 years ago, they would have parents protesting and claiming that God is going to be mad. They would talk about how the world is turning from Christian beliefs, etc.

Homosexual marrriage is just following the exact same historical path as interracial marriage. People are using the same arguments in the past as they do today. So I fully expect for gay marriage to wind up in the exact same state as interracial marriage is.


Homosexual Marriage Ban Compared To Interracial Marriage Restrictions

June 7, 2007 –


Homosexual activists are trying a new tactic to force homosexual marriage upon our nation.

A coalition of homosexual organizations are publishing full-color ads that equate bans on homosexual marriage as akin to past bans on interracial marriage.

These ads show interracial marriages such as those between Jeb Bush and his Hispanic wife and other prominent Republican leaders.

The ad, titled “Freedom to Marry†discusses past bans on interracial marriages and calls upon Americans to support homosexual marriages. The theme of the ad describes the famous Supreme Court Loving v. Virginia case that overturned bans on interracial marriages.

“The pro-homosexual marriage ad fails in its legal reasoning,†said TVC Executive Director Andrea Lafferty. “This Loving case affirmed natural marriage; it did not redefine it. It upheld the right of any man to marry any woman regardless of race.â€Â

Lafferty also points out homosexual claims of wanting “equality†in marriage is bogus. “Homosexuals have openly stated that they want far more than just marriage between same-sex individuals. They want to have multiple partners, and multiple parents for children who are victims of homosexual relationships. They are promoting extra-marital activities as well.†:o :o :o

TVC’s report, “Do Homosexuals Really Want The Right To Marry?†quotes key homosexual leaders who admit that they want to abolish the concept of marriage altogetherâ€â€not become part of this God-ordained institution.

Note: Click on the links (blue highlighted) within the article.


source: Traditional Values.org


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Quath said:
What if they had made a video saying it is ok to have racially different parents? They would be able to show it today and people would be ok and supportive of it.

However, if they showed the video 50 years ago, they would have parents protesting and claiming that God is going to be mad. They would talk about how the world is turning from Christian beliefs, etc.

Homosexual marrriage is just following the exact same historical path as interracial marriage. People are using the same arguments in the past as they do today. So I fully expect for gay marriage to wind up in the exact same state as interracial marriage is.
First of all Quath, with God there is no race except the human race. The term race was not even used until the 1930's to describe the Jews. God intended us to mix with who ever we choose. There should not be such a thing as interracial. Because we are all the same. When they cracked the human genome' did I spell that right ? But anyway' they could not tell who was who. They could not tell what color the person was' that the sample came from. And the word race separates us. It was stupid and of the devil to start using that word in the first place. Because it breeds division. But lets not get to far off of the topic here.
 
Relic said:
Homosexual Marriage Ban Compared To Interracial Marriage Restrictions
Well, it looks like noone is contesting that this is being done.

“The pro-homosexual marriage ad fails in its legal reasoning,†said TVC Executive Director Andrea Lafferty. “This Loving case affirmed natural marriage; it did not redefine it. It upheld the right of any man to marry any woman regardless of race.â€Â
At the time, many people saw interracial marriage as unnatural.

Lafferty also points out homosexual claims of wanting “equality†in marriage is bogus. “Homosexuals have openly stated that they want far more than just marriage between same-sex individuals. They want to have multiple partners, and multiple parents for children who are victims of homosexual relationships. They are promoting extra-marital activities as well.†:o :o :o
Some heterosexuals are also promoting these things as well. Do we make heterosexual marriage illegal in response?
 
Solo said:
There comes a day when there will not be any interracial marriages, nor will there be any gays.

Quath did not answer this little morsel of bait.

When Jesus returns and there is no more unrighteousness. There will be no more sinfulness including homosexuality, nor will there be any marriages.
 
Solo said:
Quath did not answer this little morsel of bait.
Well, it is like saying "One day the Earth will no longer support humans." I am not sure what that has to do with the discussion.

When Jesus returns and there is no more unrighteousness. There will be no more sinfulness including homosexuality, nor will there be any marriages.
It also means the end to heterosexuality as well since sex outside of marriage is suppose to be a sin.
 
Quath said:
It also means the end to heterosexuality as well since sex outside of marriage is suppose to be a sin.
Yes, but with life on earth, it is because of heterosexuality that you are here. God condones heterosexual marriage as he spoke from the beginning for Adam and Eve to go forth and be fruitful and multiply. Jesus speaks of marriage between one man and one woman. God considers homosexuality an abomination.
 
Solo said:
Yes, but with life on earth, it is because of heterosexuality that you are here.
Homosexuality does not stop me from being here either.

God condones heterosexual marriage as he spoke from the beginning for Adam and Eve to go forth and be fruitful and multiply.
And people have been fruitful and multiplied. Humanity does not need to grow without bounds. Even with homosexuality, humanity can easily keep multiplying. If there is a problem here, it would be with birth control, not homosexuality.

Jesus speaks of marriage between one man and one woman.
But the Bible defines marriage as the union of one man and one or more women. Why is it ok to throw away part of Bible's definition?

God considers homosexuality an abomination.
And the Bible says that he considered eating lobster an abomination as well. But people decided that what God really meant, was that it was unhealthy. Since humans have figured that out, we can ignore that abomination.

Likewise, in the future, Christians will say that what God really mean was that the Bible took place in a time when people should procreate. Since humans have dealt with the problems of procreation, we can ignore that abomination as well.
 
Quath said:
Solo said:
Yes, but with life on earth, it is because of heterosexuality that you are here.
Homosexuality does not stop me from being here either.
If it wasn't for heterosexuality as God created us, you would not be here as you would have never been born.

Quath said:
Solo said:
God condones heterosexual marriage as he spoke from the beginning for Adam and Eve to go forth and be fruitful and multiply.
And people have been fruitful and multiplied. Humanity does not need to grow without bounds. Even with homosexuality, humanity can easily keep multiplying. If there is a problem here, it would be with birth control, not homosexuality.
The problem is that homosexuality is a perversion of God's creation, and as stated, it is an abomination to God. Man would not have been able to be fruitful and multiply since reproduction is a heterosexual activity.

Quath said:
Solo said:
Jesus speaks of marriage between one man and one woman.
But the Bible defines marriage as the union of one man and one or more women. Why is it ok to throw away part of Bible's definition?
Jesus speaks very plainly that marriage is the union of one man and one woman.
  • 5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. 6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. 7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; 8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. 9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. 10 And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter. 11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. 12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. Mark 10:5-12
Quath said:
Solo said:
God considers homosexuality an abomination.
And the Bible says that he considered eating lobster an abomination as well. But people decided that what God really meant, was that it was unhealthy. Since humans have figured that out, we can ignore that abomination.
When certain Judaizers were teaching the Gentile believers that one must be circumcised in order to be saved, the Apostles met to discuss the matter.
  • But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. Acts 15:5
The Apostles sent forth men to teach the truth to the Gentiles concerning the Law of Moses. The teaching consisted of the Gentiles to abstain from meats offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from fornication.
  • 24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: 25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. Acts 15:24-29
Every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving.
  • 1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. 1 Timothy 4:1-4
Quath said:
Likewise, in the future, Christians will say that what God really mean was that the Bible took place in a time when people should procreate. Since humans have dealt with the problems of procreation, we can ignore that abomination as well.
The Covenants that God has made with mankind throughout history continues today, and the Word of God is the same today as it was yesterday, and as it will be tomorrow. God is not bounded by time as he is the creator of time. God transcends the physical time, space continuum in which we live.
  • Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Hebrews 13:8
 
Solo said:
If it wasn't for heterosexuality as God created us, you would not be here as you would have never been born.
I am not sure of your point. Noone is talking about doing away with heterosexuality.

The problem is that homosexuality is a perversion of God's creation, and as stated, it is an abomination to God. Man would not have been able to be fruitful and multiply since reproduction is a heterosexual activity.
Just as eating lobster is a perversion, yet Christians justify that.

If everyone were gay, then the population would not grow very fast. That doesn't mean homosexuality is bad. A similar statement would be "If everyone were a soldier, then there would be no farmers and no food and everyone would die from starvation. Therefore, soldiers are bad."

No one is saying that everyone should be gay.

Jesus speaks very plainly that marriage is the union of one man and one woman.
It is clear the Old Testament doesn't share this view. There were laws regulating polygamy, not outlawing it. Also, God punished David for adultery with a woman other than with one of his many wives. Therefore, God did not consider sex with more than one wife adultery.

Also, in context, the passage you quote has several key statements. The "one flesh" is just another way to say "sex." And the command is not to put away a wife to marry another. It would imply it is ok if the wife is not put away.

So it seems you are picking and choosing which commands you wish to follow based on which commands you want to follow.

Every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving.
That seems to contradict Leviticus 11:9-12 - These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat. And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination. Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

So why is lobster sometimes an abomination and sometimes not?

The Covenants that God has made with mankind throughout history continues today, and the Word of God is the same today as it was yesterday, and as it will be tomorrow. God is not bounded by time as he is the creator of time. God transcends the physical time, space continuum in which we live.
  • Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Hebrews 13:8
If that is true, then why do you ignore the part of the Covenant where it says to kill non-virgin brides, homosexuals and wiccians? You may point out that they are sinning, but it would be you too that are sinning because the command is to kill them. Failure to do so is refusal to follow the unchangable word of God.
 
Quath,
You will continue on in the darkness until you come to the light. Your understanding is regulated to the physical without any access into the spiritual just as God's Word says.
  • 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:12-14
 
Solo said:
You will continue on in the darkness until you come to the light. Your understanding is regulated to the physical without any access into the spiritual just as God's Word says
Some Christians say that God wants homosexuals killed. Some say that God just disapproves. Some say that God is ok with it, but not with gay marriage. Some say that God is ok with gay priests, some say he is not. Some say that God accepts gay marriage as he accepts divorce - something for human imperfection. Some say that God is love and accepts all kinds of love.

Now these are all people who are trying to speak for God as you do. How do I know who is really on the "true" spiritual journey and who is faking it?
 
Quath said:
Some Christians say that God wants homosexuals killed. Some say that God just disapproves. Some say that God is ok with it, but not with gay marriage. Some say that God is ok with gay priests, some say he is not. Some say that God accepts gay marriage as he accepts divorce - something for human imperfection. Some say that God is love and accepts all kinds of love.

Now these are all people who are trying to speak for God as you do. How do I know who is really on the "true" spiritual journey and who is faking it?
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born F5 of God, and knoweth God. 8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. 9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. 10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another. 12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. 13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. 15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. 16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

17 Herein is our love F6 made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. 18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 19 We love him, because he first loved us. 20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? 21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
1 John 4:1-21
 
Man Quath' it really takes hard work not to believe in God. And you work at it hard.
 
Lewis W said:
Man Quath' it really takes hard work not to believe in God. And you work at it hard.
Heh, about as much work as not beliving in Allah, Thor, Vishnu and the Kebler Elves. It's a full-time job. :)
 
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