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Threat to Grace

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What do you think grace is?
Do you fully understand grace, if not why not?
What do you think is a threat to grace?
Have you ever been affected by teaching on grace whether it be positive or negative?

Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
 
Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost but now I'm found,
Was blind, but now I see.

'twas Grace that taught,
my heart to fear.
And grace, my fears relieved.
How precious did that grace appear,
the hour I first believed.

you can't beat that hymn and I love it. Brings me back to Jesus.
 
What about a person who has placed their faith in Jesus yet doesn't understand his grace, yet they don't fully see it or get it ? Why?
 
we often have to learn grace ... many times it is by showing grace our selves .. then maybe we get a glimpse of His Great Grace..
 
What about a person who has placed their faith in Jesus yet doesn't understand his grace, yet they don't fully see it or get it ? Why?
Have mercy.
Do you have mercy on anyone?
Do you want anyone to have mercy on you?
Can God have mercy on you without you knowing it?
Is having mercy on us by God part of what grace is?
 
What about a person who has placed their faith in Jesus yet doesn't understand his grace, yet they don't fully see it or get it ? Why?

In many ways it's hard to think on a picture of grace. I mean this because of opposing ideas to grace that are practical and have merrit. Some even spiritual merrit. You reap what you sow, nothing is free / everything comes at a price, or even more general aspects of justice. Reward for good, punishment for bad. We have a whole culture and society filled with subcultures about what is worth accepting and what isn't. On that level a warm welcoming attitude for anything is kind of hard to swallow because there's good foundations for a positive standard.

I wish I had a better hold on grace myself. My examples of grace are in my life when I see someone do something of sweet kindness, or of exceptional kindness. Or any kind of care that shows openness to others or planning and effort that I hadn't thought of doing.

I think Grace, in the terms I understand it, is kindness. I relate it to the parable of the land owner who hired workers throughout the day in Mathew 20:1-16

20 For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. 2 He agreed to pay them a denarius for the day and sent them into his vineyard.

3 “About nine in the morning he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. 4 He told them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ 5 So they went.

“He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing. 6 About five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, ‘Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?’

7 “‘Because no one has hired us,’ they answered.

“He said to them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard.’

8 “When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.’

9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’

13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend.Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you.15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’

16 “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”


Justice and mercy aren't really compatible ideas, nor is working hard and a good work ethic always compatible with generosity. Some accept mercy easier and reject judgment. Other accept justice easier and grace cones harder for them. But God is good on both justice and kindness. At least that's my opinion.
 
What do you think grace is?
Do you fully understand grace, if not why not?
What do you think is a threat to grace?
Have you ever been affected by teaching on grace whether it be positive or negative?

Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

For me my threats to grace is my own failures. I see the world work on a balance of cause and effect, with sometimes I'm able to see the cushion given to relieve a person from paying fully for a mistake. For me it's hard to see grace because I fear too often the Justice I deserve. Another possibility to threaten understanding grace is a focus on anyone else's failures too.
 
GRACE - undeserved, unmerited favor, Gods willingness to give us His power and ability even though we do not deserve it

Grace pardons us and mercy loves us

Jesus came to show us how to overcome the sin nature of the world by teaching us how to live a moral life compatible with the word of God. Jesus gave of himself for all of us and redeemed us from the curse of sin by taking all our sin upon him becoming the final blood sacrifice for his love towards everyone who will believe on his name. When we come to Jesus it is Gods grace that forgives our sins and remembers them no more. Sin will always be present with us because the flesh will always sin for that is its nature, but when we ask Jesus into our hearts we also receive at that same moment the gift of the Holy Spirit which teaches us how to separate ourselves from the ungodliness and lusts of this world. We may have to live in this world, but as a child of God we are not part of this world because our inner man, or heart, has now become renewed in the Spirit of God and is sinless through the grace of God. Titus 2:11-15
 
What about a person who has placed their faith in Jesus yet doesn't understand his grace, yet they don't fully see it or get it ? Why?

Grace can only be seen in how love works and how it can find unconditional favor in others. I truly do not think anyone of us can understand such a love God has for us, but we can surely thank Him for it.
 
Can God have mercy on you without you knowing it?

From my experience yes he can.

I was engaged to a girl who I knew I should not marry. My thoughts were ok we will get married have kids and get divorced. Sat in church one day and all of a sudden severe anxiety and I couldn't even look at the girl. I broke of the engagement, I tried to work it out and make it work, it just got worse.

So I left the area, the church and run away to another city. When off the rails, slept around a bit.
Somehow God bought another Christian alongside me. I started to go back to church.

One day I said to God "I'm sorry I did this I'm sorry I run away" God said straight back "I knew where you were going so I prepared that way for you, you were running away but just going to the place that I would bring you back to me"

That is his mercy, furthermore I've been married 24 years with four kids. I love my wife deeply and never leave her, I have 4 kids 24/7 and I wouldn't change it. That's Gods mercy. I'm a loving husband and Father and would never ever leave them.
 
What do you think grace is?
Here's my answer. (Again :shrug)

(IV) What is “grace”?

Greek: χάρις (charis)
A. A gift.
Salvation is a gift. We cannot earn salvation. The idea of earning salvation assumes that it is possible for someone to do sufficient good works to outweigh their evil works as if it were like having more cash than debt so that we could pay the debts and still have money left over.
Such a notion raises the question, how many good works does it take to “pay for” each evil work? This is a “salvation of the market place.” (“Buying a stairway to heaven”?) It assumes that good works have some intrinsic value which can be exchanged to cover the cost of bad works which will then be removed from our “account balance.” Of course there is no good answer to that question because the question is nonsense.
The idea of earning salvation also contains the concept that good works have merits and bad works have demerits. This is a juridical approach to salvation. It is the “salvation of the courtroom.” According to this idea, sufficient meritorious work will satisfy the demands of justice to have the charges against us dismissed and expunged from our record.
Both these notions miss the point. Receiving a gift is not about accumulating enough “spiritual cash” to buy it for yourself. A gift is something that is freely given. The greatest gifts are things which you could not possible purchase for yourself, like eternal life.

B. Gifts of the Spirit. (Gr. Plural: χαρίσματα, “charismata”)
In 1 Cor 12, Paul describes the gifts of the Holy Spirit which are distributed among believers according to the will of the Holy Spirit.
These are enabling gifts. They have the purpose of enabling an individual to perform a function within the body of Christ. They are what Jesus told the disciples they would receive when the Holy Spirit came upon them; they would be empowered to be His witnesses to bring the Gospel to the world. (Acts 1:8)

C. The power to save; God’s power to grant eternal life.
1. Eternal life is a gift. In order to make that gift effective, Jesus had to have the power to destroy the power of death over mankind, which He did by His incarnation, death and resurrection as a man.
2. He also has to have the power to raise all mankind from the grave and to convert their mortal bodies to immortal and incorruptible bodies when He comes again.
3. He has the power to grant eternal life by uniting man to God in Christ.

John 1:14a (RSV) And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth;
Acts 6:8 (RSV) And Stephen, full of grace and power, did great wonders and signs among the people.

D. Unmerited favor.
1. When God forgives sin, when He baptizes a believer in the Holy Spirit, when He raises mankind from the grave and when He gives eternal life, He does none of these things because anyone has earned the right to receive it. God does not owe anyone anything. All that He gives us, He gives us because He operated in Grace toward everyone, the good and the evil.
2. All that God does for the welfare of mankind is done because of His love for mankind. Because of His infinite love for mankind, He is gracious toward us and provides mankind with everything that is necessary for earthy and eternal life.
3. God is under no demand of justice or any demand of necessity to do anything. All that He does, he does graciously out of love.

And that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

iakov the fool
 
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