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Three kinds of death mentioned in the Bible

golfjack

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We have Spiritual death, Physical death, and Eternal death. There is no such thing as soul sleep as some would believe.

Spiritual death came to the earth first, then manifested itself in the Physical body by destroying it. Physical death is but a manifestation of the law which is at work within, called by Paul, the law of sin and death ( Romans 8:2). When God said to Adam, in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shall surely die, He didn't refer to physical death, but to spiritual death. If man had never died spiritually, he would not have died physically.

Spiritual death means separation from God. The moment Adam sinned, he was separated from God. And when God came down in the cool of the day, as was His custom to walk and talk with Adam, and called Adam, where art thou? Adam said, I hid myself. He was separated from God.

Man is now united with the devil. He is an outcast, an outlaw, driven from the garden with no legal ground of approach to God. He no longer responds to the call of God. He responds only to his new nature, or to his new master. Man is more than a transgressor. He is spiritually a child of the devil and he partakes of his fathers nature.

This explains why man cannot be saved by conduct. He has to be born again. If man were not a child of the devil, then he could just begin to put on the right kind of conduct, and he'd be alright. But even if he puts on the right conduct, he's still a child of the devil, and will go to hell when he dies.

Man cannot stand in the presence of God as he is, because he has the nature of his father, the devil, in him. If man is ever saved, he has to be saved by someone paying the penality for his sins, and by someone giving him a new nature

Man, however, who is a spirit living in a body, can be re-born. His nature can be changed. He can become a new creature in Christ Jesus

Man needs life from God, because he is spiritually dead. And Thanks be to God, Christ has redeemed us from spiritual death.


May God bless, golfjack
 
Such an interpretation is flawed from a biblical perspective on the nature of man. It also doesn't explain what happens to the wicked who remain 'spiritually dead'

If I am 'spiritually dead and made 'spiritually alive', then the wicked who don't receive new life remain spiritually dead. This is why they are punished at the end of time. The spiritual death and the eternal death are the same thing. If I choose to ignore Christ and remain in my sins, eternal death is my lot.

Your trying to separate them into three entities ignores the usage of 'life' and 'death' in pertaining to salvation in the Bible. Being 'spiritually dead' is nothing more than a state of where I am in my salvation.

"For as in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits, afterward, they that are Christ'a at His coming' 1 Corinthians 15:22,23

There is life and death...period.

The wages of sin si death, but the gift of God is eternal life' Romans 6:23

Because man sinned, man began to die and would remain dead for eternity. The sacrifice, death, and resurrection of Christ redeemed us from ever experiencing the second death.

This fulfillment occurs at the second coming, not at death.
 
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John 5:26: For as the Father hath life in Himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself.

The new Man, Jesus Christ, had no death in Him. He was not born as we are born, and He didn't have the spiritual nature of death, the devil, in Him. Yet the Bible says in Hebrews 2:9 that He, that He tasted death for every man.

Jesus Christ took upon Himself our sin nature. Hebrews 9:26 says He, put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. He took upon Himself our sin nature, the nature of spiritual death, that we might have Eternal Life.

Jesus said, The thief ( the devil) cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly ( John 10:10).
He also said, I say unto you, He that hearth my word, and believeth on him, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life ( John 5:24).

Jesus came to redeem us from sspiritual death. Adam was banished from the Tree of life through rejecting God's Word. According to Rev. 2:7, all who now accept and obey the Word of God are brought back to the Tree of Life.

If anyone sees this, and you are not saverd by Grace through faith. Please say this: I admit that I am a sinner, I repent of my sin, I invite You today into my heart, and I make you my Lord and Savior.


May God bless, golfjack
 
golfjack wrote: If anyone sees this, and you are not saverd by Grace through faith. Please say this: I admit that I am a sinner, I repent of my sin, I invite You today into my heart, and I make you my Lord and Savior. [/G]

Please don’t say that. Please make that a reality of your life, bowing to your Lord and Master and obeying every command he has given you to love and forgive your brothers. By living in love for God and one another, you have the Son, and he that has the Son has life, and he that doesn’t have the Son, doesn’t have life. Death is simply the absence of life, or being separated from the life of God. When Adam and Eve sinned, they were thrown out of the garden and separated from the tree of life. All their offspring were separated from life because of what they did. Jesus undid that so by obedience to the Lord, and living in him, we can be reconnected to that source of life.
 
unred typo said:
bowing to your Lord and Master and obeying every command he has given you to love and forgive your brothers.
But how can anyone do this if he will not call on and come to God for him to encounter God's first so that he may be able to talk to God and God to talk to him in return, there and only then that he can bow down to the Lord and obey the Lord's command directly. He cannot do this just by reading the bible but he needs the intervention and interaction of God himself who is but no other than the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
Scorpia wrote: But how can anyone do this if he will not call on and come to God for him to encounter God's first so that he may be able to talk to God and God to talk to him in return, there and only then that he can bow down to the Lord and obey the Lord's command directly. He cannot do this just by reading the bible but he needs the intervention and interaction of God himself who is but no other than the Lord Jesus Christ.[/S]

You bow to God by calling on him and coming to him, while acknowledging the greatness and power and glory that belongs only to the Lord. How can anyone come to God except he bow to him in spirit and in truth? It is the spirit in which you must come before him.

I didn’t even mention the Bible. Aren’t you taught of God to love one another? Doesn’t God give you commands to show love or forgive your fellow man? What does God teach you, Scorpia?

:-?
 
unred typo said:
[quote="unred typo":0e288]You bow to God by calling on him and coming to him, while acknowledging the greatness and power and glory that belongs only to the Lord. How can anyone come to God except he bow to him in spirit and in truth? It is the spirit in which you must come before him.
Moses, Elijah, Jeremiah, and Paul were able to come to God, talked to God, and received God commands and teachings. This is what I'm saying as the right way to come to God.
unred typo said:
I didn’t even mention the Bible.
Probably but to you, God speaks to people thru reading the bible, right?
unred typo said:
Aren’t you taught of God to love one another?
We are being taught by God himself to love one another, why?

unred typo said:
Doesn’t God give you commands to show love or forgive your fellow man?
God does give us such commands.

unred typo said:
What does God teach you, Scorpia?
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Here are some of the teachings that we received from the Lord in its original text and language. The Lord said:

“ANG SINO MANG HUMANAP SA AKIN, TUMAWAG LANG AT AKING KIKILANLINâ€Â
1. SAAN BA NAGSIMULA ANG LAHAT NG BAGAY DITO SA MUNDO?

*** NAGSIMULA ANG LAHAT NG BAGAY DITO SA MUNDO NANG LIKHAIN NG DIYOS NA MAKAPANGYARIHAN SA LAHAT ANG SANLIBUTAN.

2. SINO BA ANG DIYOS?

***ANG DIYOS ANG SIYANG MAKAPANGYARIHAN SA LAHAT. SA KANYA AY WALANG IMPOSIBLE. SA KANYA NAGMULA ANG LAHAT NG MGA BAGAY AT ANG BUHAY NA TINATAGLAY NG LAHAT NG TAO. SA KANYA RIN NAGMULA ANG KABUTIHAN AT KASAMAAN, KALIWANAGAN AT KADILIMAN. WALANG TAONG KAYANG MABUHAY SA MUNDO NA HINDI SA PAMAMAGITAN NIYA. SIYA ANG NAGKATAWANG TAO AT MULING MAGBABALIK SA PAGHUHUKOM. SIYA ANG BUHAY AT KAMATAYAN, ANG SIMULA AT ANG WAKAS, ANG DAAN, KATOTOHANAN, KALIGTASAN, KAPATAWARAN AT SIYA ANG LAHAT LAHAT.

3. SAAN NAGMULA ANG DIYOS?

***WALANG NAKAKAALAM KUNG SAAN NAGMULA ANG DIYOS. TANGING ANG DIYOS LANG ANG MAKAKASAGOT SA KATANUNGAN.

4. BAKIT SINASABING TATLO ANG DIYOS?

***IISA LANG ANG DIYOS, NGUNIT GAYA NG MGA TAO, KUNG ANG ISANG TAO AY MAY PANGALANG JOSE, SIYA RIN AY MAY PALAYAW. MAAARING JUSENG, USE O KUNG ANU ANO PA. GAYON LAMANG DIN ANG DIYOS. ANG AMA, ANAK AT ESPIRITU SANTO AY IISA LAMANG, ANG DIYOS NA MAKAPANGYARIHAN SA LAHAT. TINAWAG NIYANG ANAK ANG NAGKATAWANG TAO SA LUPA UPANG TUBUSIN ANG MGA KASALANAN NG TAO, TINAWAG NAMAN NIYANG ESPIRITU SANTO ANG GABAY SA MGA TAO. SAPAGKAT SA TAONG MABABAW ANG KAISIPAN, HINDI SIYA MANINIWALANG ANG DIYOS AY NASA LAHAT NG PANIG NG SANSINUKOB, KAYA’T BINIGYAN NIYA NG PANGALAN ANG ANAK AT ESPIRITU SANTO NGUNIT INISIP NAMAN NG IBA NA TATLO ANG DIYOS.

5. SAAN BA NAGSIMULA ANG ATING BUHAY?

***NAGSIMULA ANG ATING BUHAY NANG LIKHAIN NG DIYOS ANG SANSINUKOB. NANG LIKHAIN NIYA ANG ATING PLANETA, ANG ARAW, MGA BITUIN, ANG BUWAN AT KUNG ANU-ANO PA NA ATING MAKIKITA SA KALAWAKAN. LAHAT NG ATING NAKIKITA SA LAHAT NG PANIG NG SANSINUKOB AY NAGMULA LAHAT SA IISANG DIYOS, ANG DIYOS NA MAKAPANGYARIHAN SA LAHAT.

6. PAANO NILIKHA NG DIYOS ANG LAHAT?

***ANIM NA ARAW NILALANG NG DIYOS ANG LAHAT LAHAT SA SANSINUKOB. SA IKA PITONG ARAW, NAGPAHINGA ANG DIYOS AT NASIYAHAN SA KANYANG GINAWA. ITINALAGA NG DIYOS ANG IKA PITONG ARAW NA ARAW NG PAGSAMBA O PASASALAMAT. NOON PA MAN AT MAGPAHANGGANG NGAYON, IISA LAMANG ANG UTOS NG DIYOS SA MGA DAPAT GAWIN NG MGA TSAO SA IKA PITONG ARAW.

*DAPAT NA MAGPASALAMAT ANG MGA TAO SA PAGKAKALIKHA SA LAHAT NG BAGAY DITO SA MUNDO.
*DAPAT AY HINDI MAGTRABAHO NG KAHIT ANONG GAWAIN NA MAY KINALAMAN SA PERA O SALAPI SA ARAW NA ITO.
*DAPAT AY WALANG MGA BISYO SA ARAW NA ITO. WALANG INUMAN, WALANG SUGAL, AT IBA’T IBA PANG MGA MAKAMUNDONG GAWAIN.
*HANGGA’T MAAARI AY WALANG AWAY SA ARAW NA ITO.
*ARAW ITO NG PAGSAMBA KAYA’T DAPAT AY NAUUKOL SA DIYOS LAHAT NG GAWAIN SA ARAW NA ITO.

7. ANO BA ANG KASALANAN?

***ITO AY ANG MASASAMANG GAWAIN NG TAO NA DAPAT IHINGI KAAGAD NG KAPATAWARAN SA DIYOS.

8. SAAN BA NAGMULA ANG KASALANAN?

***MARAMI ANG NANINIWALA NA KAY EVA NAGMULA ANG KASALANAN MULA NANG KAININ NIYA ANG BUNGANG IPINAGBABAWAL SA PARAISO, NGUNIT TALIWAS SA KATOTOHANAN ANG PANINIWALANG ITO. HINDI KAY EVA NAGMULA ANG KASALANAN KUNDI SA INYONG PANGINOONG DIYOS. SA SIMULA PA LAMANG AY NAROON NA ANG KASALANAN. NAGKATAON LAMANG NA SI EVA ANG UNANG NATUKSO NITO.

9. ANO BA ANG MGA URI NG KASALANAN?

***MAYROONG DALAWANG URI ANG KASALANAN. ANG KASALANANG MORTAL AT KASALANANG ESPIRITWAL.

10. ANO ANG KASALANANG MORTAL?

***ITO ANG ANG KASALANAN SA KAPWA TAO. ANG PINAKA MABIGAT NA KASALANANG MORTAL AY ANG ILIGAW MO ANG IYONG KAPWA TAO SA TAMANG LANDAS PATUNGO SA KALIGTASAN.

11. ANO NAMAN ANG KASALANANG ESPIRITWAL?
***ITO NAMAN AY ANG MGA KASALANAN SA DIYOS AT ANG PINAKA MABIGAT NA KASALANANG ESPIRITWAL AY ANG SUBUKIN AT SISIHIN MO ANG IYONG PANGINOONG DIYOS.

12. PAANO BA NANGYAYARI NA SINUSUBOK MO ANG DIYOS?

***KAPAG NAG AALINLANGAN KA SA KANYANG MGA ITINUTURO AT IPINAG UUTOS.

13. ANO BA ANG MGA KAGUSTUHAN AT KAUTUSAN NG PANGINOONG DIYOS?

***IISA LAMANG ANG KAUTUSAN NG PANGINOONG DIYOS AT KAPAG ITO AY IYONG NASUNOD, DOON MO MALALAMAN ANG IBA PA NIYANG KAUTUSAN. ANG KAISA ISANG KAUTUSAN NG DIYOS NA PANGKALAHATAN AY ANG HANAPIN MO ANG IYONG KALIGTASAN, SAMAKATUWID AY ANG PANGINOONG DIYOS. KAPAG ITO AY NAGAWA MO, KAILANGAN MONG SUNDIN ANG IBA PA NIYANG MGA KAUTUSAN.

*MAGING ISA LANG ANG IYON DIYOS.
*IGALANG AT SAMBAHIN MO NG BUONG BUHAY ANG DIYOS.
*IGALANG MO ANG IYONG KAPWA.
*HUWAG MONG LAPASTANGANIN ANG TEMPLO NG DIYOS.
*HUWAG KANG MAGNAKAW, PUMATAY AT MANGALUNYA.
*HUWAG MONG NAISING AGAWIN ANG HINDI SA IYO.
*IALAY MO ANG IYONG BUONG BUHAY SA DIYOS.
*SIKAPIN MONG HUWAG KANG GUMAWA NG MASAMA.

14. ANO BA ANG PINAKA IMPORTANTE SA ATING BUHAY?

***IISA LAMANG, ITO AY ANG MAPASAKAMAY TAYO NG DIYOS SAPAGKAT KUNG TAYO AY NASA KANYA, NASA ATIN NA ANG KALIGTASAN AT ANG LAHAT NG BAGAY NA ATING KAILANGAN.

15. BAKIT BA MAYROON PANG BANAL NA KASULATAN?

***UPANG GAWING GABAY NG MGA TAO SA PAGKILALA SA PANGINOONG DIYOS.

16. BAKIT MAY LUMA AT BAGONG TIPAN SA BANAL NA KASULATAN?

***ANG NILALAMAN NG LUMANG TIPAN AY NAUUKOL SA AMA SAMANTALANG ANG BAGONG TIPAN AT NAGLALAHAD NG PAGKAKATAWANG TAO NG DIYOS.

17. BAKIT NAGKATAWANG TAO ANG DIYOS/

***MAY TATLONG KADAHILANAN KUNG BAKIT NAGKATAWANG TAO ANG DIYOS. UNA, UPANG TUBUSIN ANG MGA KASALANAN NG MGA TAO. TINUBOS NIYA ANG KASALANAN NG MGA TAO SA PARAANG IPINAKO SIYA SA KRUS. SINALO AT INAKO NIYA ANG KAPARUSAHANG DAPAT AY SA MGA TAONG MAKASALANAN. SA HALIP NA ANG MGA MAKASALANANG TAO ANG MAGDUSA SA HIRAP AY SIYA ANG NAGSAKRIPISYO UPANG HUWAG MAPARUSAHAN ANG MGA TAONG SA KANYA AY NAGPARUSA.
***IKALAWA, UPANG MAIPAKITA SA MGA TAO NA TUNAY NA MAY DIYOS. SAPAGKAT TULAD NG ISANG UBAS, KUNG SASABIHIN MO LANG ANG PANGALANG UBAS AY HINDI ITO MAKIKILALA NG LUBUSAN NG MGA TAO SAPAGKAT HINDI NILA NALALAMAN KUNG ANONG ITSURA NG UBAS, NGUNIT KUNG IPAPAKITA MO ANG ITSURA NG UBAS SA MGA TAO AY MAKIKILALA NILA ITO NG LUBUSAN AT SA TWING MAKIKITA NG MGA TAO ANG BAGAY NA IYON AY MABIBIGKAS NILA NA IYON AY UBAS. GAYON LAMANG DIN ANG DIYOS, KUNG SASABIHIN MO LANG ANG PANGALAN NG DIYOS AY HINDI GAANONG MANINIWALA ANG MGA TAO SAPAGKAT HINDI NILA NAKIKITA KUNG ANO ANG ITSURA NG DIYOS AT ITATANONG NILA KUNG MAY NAKAKITA NA BA SA DIYOS, AT PAG SINABI MONG WALA PA AY LALONG HINDI SILA MANINIWALA NA MAY DIYOS. NGUNIT SAPAGKAT NAGKATAWANG TAO ANG DIYOS AT SA KANYA AY MAY NAKAKITA. MAILALARAWAN NILA ITO AT MAGPAPATUNAY SILA NA TUNAY NA MAYROONG DIYOS. AT SA TUWING MAKIKITA NG MGA TAO ANG LARAWAN NG DIYOS AY MAAALALA NILA ANG KADAKILAAN AT KAPANGYARIHAN NG TUNAY AT NAG-IISANG DIYOS.
***IKATLO AY UPANG MAGKAROON NG BAGONG TIPAN SA BANAL NA KASULATAN. KUNG HINDI NAGKATAWANG TAO ANG DIYOS, LUMANG TIPAN LAMANG ANG NASA BANAL NA KASULATAN AT WALANG BAGONG TIPAN, NGUNIT DAHIL NAGKATAWANG TAO ANG DIYOS KAYA’T SA DALAWANG TIPAN NAHAHATI ANG BANAL NA KASULATAN, ANG LUMA AT ANG BAGONG TIPAN.

18. ANO BA ANG MANGYAYARI SA MGA TAO NA MAYROON AT WALANG KALIGTASAN?

***ANG MGA TAONG WALANG KALIGTASAN AY LALANGOY SA DAGAT DAGATANG APOY NG WALANG KAMATAYANG PAGHIHIRAP PAGDATING NG PAGHUHUKOM! SAMANTALANG ANG MGA MAYROONG KALIGTASAN AY MAPUPUNTA SA PARAISO NG PANGINOONG DIYOS AT DOON MAKARARANAS NG WALANG HANGGANG KAGINHAWAAN AT KALIGAYAHAN SA PILING NG DIYOS AT MAGKAKAMIT NG BUHAY NA WALANG HANGGAN.

19. ANO BA ANG NANGYAYARI SA MGA TAO KAPAG NAMAMATAY?

***MAY DALAWANG URI NG PAGKAMATAY. ANG BIGLAANG PAGKAMATAY AT ANG DAHAN DAHANG PAGKAMATAY. KAPAG MALAPIT NANG MAMATAY ANG ISANG TAO, MAY MGA SUMUSUNDO SA KANYA. MAAARING ANGHEL AT MAAARING ANG MGA YUMAO NA NILANG KAMAG ANAK. INILALAGAY MUNA SILA SA ISANG LUGAR HANGGANG SA DUMATING ANG ARAW NG PAGHUHUKOM.

20. ANO BA ANG PAGHUHUKOM?

***ITO AY ANG IKALAWANG PAGPARITO NG PANGINOONG DIYOS KUNG SAAN HAHATULAN ANG MGA TAO. IHIHIWALAY ANG MASASAMA SA MABUTI, ANG MAY KALIGTASAN AT ANG WALA.

21. KAILAN ITO MAGAGANAP?

***WALANG NILALANG NA NAKAKAALAM SA IKALAWANG PAGPARITO NG PANGINOONG DIYOS. ITO’Y TULAD NG ISANG MAGNANAKAW NA BIGLANG DUMARATING SA HINDI INAASAHANG PAGKAKATAON.

22. ANO BA ANG MAGAGANAP SA ARAW NG PAGHUHUKOM?

***NAKAKAPANGILABOT ANG MANGYAYARI SA PAGHUHUKOM. ANG LAHAT NG MGA BAGAY NA ATING NAKIKITA SA BUONG SANSINUKOB AY MAWAWASAK AT MATUTUNAW NA PARANG YELO. SASABOG LAHAT NG PLANETA MAGING ANG MUNDO AT ANG LAHAT AY BABAGSAK. WALANG MATITIRANG BAGAY NA NAKAPATONG SA KAPWA NIYA BAGAY AT ANG LAHAT AY MASISIRA. LAHAT NG NANGAMATAY NANG NILALANG MAGING ITO MAN AY TAO, HAYOP O ANU MANG NAMATAY NA MAY BUHAY AY MULING MABUBUHAY. ANG MGA BUHAY NAMAN NA INABUTAN NG PAGHUHUKOM AY MASASAKSIHAN ANG NAKAKATAKOT NA SASAPITIN NG LAHAT. MATAPOS ANG ILANG SEGUNDO NANG MULING PAGKABUHAY NG MGA NAMATAY NA, LAHAT AY MAMAMATAY NG MULI PATI ANG MGA NABUHAY SA KANILANG LIBINGAN. AT ANG LAHAT AY MANGAMAMATAY! DITO NA LILITISIN ANG LAHAT. ILALAGAY ANG MGA HINDI NAKALIGTAS SA DAGAT DAGATANG APOY, SAMANTALANG ANG MGA NAKALIGTAS NAMAN AY SA WALANG HANGGANG PARAISO NG KAGINHAWAAN KAPILING ANG DIYOS.

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18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: 19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue. 20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 1 Corinthians 14:18-20
 
Golf Jack, your whole theology over looks Gods plan for man...

22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

We have no say in the matter...... sooner or later you are ressurected, and the worst possible case scenario for even the worst sinner is.... through Judgement return unto righteousness.

God has been talking to us since the foundation of the World via the prophets about the restitution of all things.....Peter was quite specific about that.


Grace and Peace to you
 
Scorpia, I don’t have the gift of tongues and I don’t understand Filipino or tagalog. Can you translate that? If it isn’t on topic for this thread, you can send it to me by private message. Thanks.
 
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Spirit-Driven, What is your thelogy? My thelogy surely lines up with the Word of God.





May God bless, golfjack
 
Spirit Driven said:
We have no say in the matter...... sooner or later you are ressurected, and the worst possible case scenario for even the worst sinner is.... through Judgement return unto righteousness.

I have an argument for this that actually uses Scripture (unbelievable but true, I know), but I'm pretty darn sure we're not supposed to discuss this doctrine. So I'll just turn my attention back to my candy.

Leave me and my candy to our Scriptural doctrines! :P
 
Quite simple really... God is the author of the play we are all participating in.
There is not a single being that has or will ever live that has a say in re arranging the script.

I completley gave up on myself and anything I can do long ago.... what an AWESOME GOD we have..... each life... each step in each life.

We got no say in anything at all, there is not even one thing we can do.

Now that is power.
 
Spirit Driven said:
Quite simple really... God is the author of the play we are all participating in.
You can say that again. It's true.
[quote:0e68a]There is not a single being that has or will ever live that has a say in re arranging the script.
The invisible script which is with God and of God himself? If so, I agree.

We got no say in anything at all, there is not even one thing we can do.
If with the judgment that God himself will render to us in the appointed time, we really can't do nothing with it because it is only in God's hands.

Now that is power
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Power belongs only to God. God be with you.
 
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