To terrorize innocent people

[johnny botwright]

To terrorize innocent people, no real man would do such a thing,
A real man is not afraid to fight on equal terms,
They think their actions will take them to a place of brown eyed beauties ,
But in reality will bring the wrath of God on their heads.
It’s a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
and will take them in to the belly and the depths of hell.

Johnny

 

[Lance_Iguana]

Dose anyone else see the irony of someone talking about how bad people are for terrorizing others while also mentioning hell in the same paragraph?

 

[jasoncran]

hes quoting some mismatched bible verses in a kryptic manner.

hell is meant to be scary.

so is the death penalty.

murder someone that what will happen to some in the states that have it. but that is another topic.

 

[Lance_Iguana]

hes quoting some mismatched bible verses in a kryptic manner.

hell is meant to be scary.

so is the death penalty.

murder someone that what will happen to some in the states that have it. but that is another topic.

Hell being Scary is the point I'm trying to make.

Condemning someone for using their religion to do bad things and scare people, then turn around and find a form of pleasure in saying that they will go to Hell negates what ever message they were saying.

 

[jasoncran]

Hell being Scary is the point I'm trying to make.

Condemning someone for using their religion to do bad things and scare people, then turn around and find a form of pleasure in saying that they will go to Hell negates what ever message they were saying.

i dont talk about any sinner going to hell with pleasure but sadness, the only "person' that i want to see in hell is satan and his minions.

 

[smaller]

To terrorize innocent people, no real man would do such a thing,
A real man is not afraid to fight on equal terms,
They think their actions will take them to a place of brown eyed beauties ,
But in reality will bring the wrath of God on their heads.
It’s a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
and will take them in to the belly and the depths of hell.

Johnny

Bankers, Lawyers and Politicians are scaring me far more than the entirety of Islam quite frankly.

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[Lance_Iguana]

i dont talk about any sinner going to hell with pleasure but sadness, the only "person' that i want to see in hell is satan and his minions.

I'm referring to the OP, but I'd like to show you something by asking a question.

Do you mention Hell at all when you talk to a non believer?

 

[Tina]

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When Christians mention hell to unbelievers, we don't attempt to send the message by crashing planes into buildings, strapping ourselves with explosives or planting bombs in places.

Big difference .....

 

[Lance_Iguana]

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When Christians mention hell to unbelievers, we don't attempt to send the message by crashing planes into buildings, strapping ourselves with explosives or planting bombs in places.

Big difference .....

Accept for the ones who blow up abortion clinics and commit acts of vandalism to gay night clubs or atack homosexuals/ transgendered individuals, And the ones that stand outside of soldiers funerals claiming that we deserved their deaths and 9/11.

Now before you claim that they wheren't true Christians, or that I shouldn't judge all Christians by this. I'll point to this very post you made and ask why you are then allowed to do it to Muslims.

American Muslims claim that it was not real Muslims that are the Terrorists. You guys claim that its not real Christians who blow up abortion clinics or kill doctors.

It all boils down to the No True Scottsman Falacy, and just trying to find an excuse to point at a people you are ignorant of and yell " Bad bad Bad".

That's all it is.

 

[Tina]

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I think we are getting a little off topic here .....

To terrorize innocent people, no real man would do such a thing,
A real man is not afraid to fight on equal terms,
They think their actions will take them to a place of brown eyed beauties ,
But in reality will bring the wrath of God on their heads.
It’s a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
and will take them in to the belly and the depths of hell.

Johnny

Fake or true Christians that commit atrocities in the name of religion do not "think their actions will take them to a place of brown eye beauties".

Yes I most certainly agree with your point, Lance. But we're talking about AGENDAS here ..... aren't we ?

Nowhere in the Bible is there mention of "holy wars" guaranteeing anyone place in heaven, but the Quran certainly does !

 

[Lance_Iguana]

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I think we are getting a little off topic here .....
Fake or true Christians that commit atrocities in the name of religion do not "think their actions will take them to a place of brown eye beauties".

Nope, but they think they are doing God's work and will be given eternal happiness in the Kingdom of Heaven. Same scenario, different wording.

In both cases, people do atrocities because they think God will reward them.

Yes I most certainly agree with your point, Lance. But we're talking about AGENDAS here ..... aren't we ?

No were not, because its a strawman argument to argue the intention of a group of varied people.

Agenda's only make sense if we look a specific person's agenda. If we try to asses a crowd, we end up either overly demonizing or overly justifying them.

This agenda talk is nothing but people relaying an appeal to fear about a vague idea that Might be true. No, show me individual people instead of a faceless shadow group manipulated to be either Good or evil.

Nowhere in the Bible is there mention of "holy wars" guaranteeing anyone place in heaven, but the Quran certainly does !

Source for the Koran, and when you do, I will then find an online Koran and read your quote in context and repost it here. So don't quote mine, read the entire chapter fully first.

Jesus says to go out and spread the word and that those who commit Blaspheme have committed the only unforgivable sin and they deserve death.

That is how all the holy wars all religions Justify it. Christian leaders use Blasphemy as their excuse, Hindus use reincarnation and Krishna's command, Jews use God's will ( The old testament is filled with war stories that God commanded), and Muslims use Apostasy and Infidels to justify their wars.

In short, Terror is universal.

 

[Tina]

Source for the Koran, and when you do, I will then find an online Koran and read your quote in context and repost it here. So don't quote mine, read the entire chapter fully first.

Here you go ..... let's see how differently you attempt to interprete this islamic scriptures from the two other different interpretations I heard from two different Muslims !



Hadith 9:459
Muhammad says “Allah guarantees anyone who engages in holy war (Jihad) for the cause of Jihad alone with “belief in Allah’s wordsâ€, that he will either admit him into paradise or return him with his reward or the booty has earned to his residence from where he went out.â€.

Hadith 1:35
"The person who participates in Allah's cause (namely, in battle). . will be recompensed by Allah either with reward or booty or will be admitted to Paradise."

 

[Lance_Iguana]

Here you go ..... let's see how differently you attempt to interprete this islamic scriptures from the two other different interpretations I heard from two different Muslims !



Hadith 9:459
Muhammad says “Allah guarantees anyone who engages in holy war (Jihad) for the cause of Jihad alone with “belief in Allah’s wordsâ€, that he will either admit him into paradise or return him with his reward or the booty has earned to his residence from where he went out.â€.

Hadith 1:35
"The person who participates in Allah's cause (namely, in battle). . will be recompensed by Allah either with reward or booty or will be admitted to Paradise."

I didn't even have to go to the Koran to easily explain this.
Its basically saying, those who commit and go through a spiritual journey will be rewarded. That's all a jihad actually is, a spiritual commitment to Allah.

Christians have the same thing, its called giving your life to Christ and then going to the corners of the earth to spread the Good news.

The Hindus do it to, they share the teachings and commit to Krishna to receive their reward as well.

Once again, same idea, different religions, and easily manipulated.

 

[Tina]

Christians have the same thing, its called giving your life to Christ and then going to the corners of the earth to spread the Good news.

How is this even remotely comparable to the Islamic belief of gettng rewarded or guaranteed a place in heaven for committing jihad ?

Can you provide one scripture from the Bible that says believers get rewarded for committing atrocities ?

 

[Lance_Iguana]

How is this even remotely comparable to the Islamic belief of gettng rewarded or guaranteed a place in heaven for committing jihad ?

Can you provide one scripture from the Bible that says believers get rewarded for committing atrocities ?

You are now both twisting my words and what the word Jihad means.

Nice try. You want me to back up a misrepresentation.

A Jihad in Islam is ANY act in the name of Allah. In the US, the only time Americans hear the word jihad, is when its tied to terrorism. But if you had actually read the very Chapters you quote mined you would learn that Jihad is the equivalent to acts of God that Hindus, Christians, and Jews also do.

Jihad is manipulated to convince people to do horrible acts, just like how some Christians blow up abortion clinics because the doctors are going agaisnt God.

You are going in a cirlce. You want to justify your biggotry towards a group of people by searching for cryptic passages in their holy book. Just like how many people scower the Bible for cryptic passages to use against Christians.

Here's a classic from the book of Mathew., "blessed is he who bashes their children against the wall" See, anyone can find fun little passages to throw at people.

Just admit you have problems with Muslims, and instead of attacking individual leaders you just lump them all together in a nameless mass, and use singular lines fished out of the Koran to justify it.

I'm getting tired of this " I'm special, they are evil" mentality in this country. Here's another Mathew verse.

7.5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye

Context, Jesus told his followers to first acknowledge their own faults before lambasting others for the SAME faults.

 

[Tina]

You are now both twisting my words and what the word Jihad means.

Nice try. You want me to back up a misrepresentation.

A Jihad in Islam is ANY act in the name of Allah. In the US, the only time Americans hear the word jihad, is when its tied to terrorism. But if you had actually read the very Chapters you quote mined you would learn that Jihad is the equivalent to acts of God that Hindus, Christians, and Jews also do.

You are arguing based on your unique interpretation which I'm honestly hearing for the first time. For many Muslims, strapping oneself with explosives and blowing themselves up in the name of their religion constitutes "jihad". Whether that is right interpretation or misinterpretation, and WHATEVER the word "jihad" means, including ANY acts or atrocities done in the name of Allah and Islam, do not the Hadith verses clearly spell out GUARANTEED place in heaven ?

Jihad is manipulated to convince people to do horrible acts, just like how some Christians blow up abortion clinics because the doctors are going agaisnt God.

Herein lies the stark contrast ......

Islamic Jihad is done FOR Allah, Christian atrocities are done AGAINST God.

You are going in a cirlce. You want to justify your biggotry towards a group of people by searching for cryptic passages in their holy book. Just like how many people scower the Bible for cryptic passages to use against Christians.

Here's a classic from the book of Mathew., "blessed is he who bashes their children against the wall" See, anyone can find fun little passages to throw at people.

If you are unable to provide any bible scriptures that says believers get rewarded for committed atrocities, just say so !

Just admit you have problems with Muslims, and instead of attacking individual leaders you just lump them all together in a nameless mass, and use singular lines fished out of the Koran to justify it.

I have a problem with ANY religion that commits atrocities in the name of religion, and that includes Christiantiy !

 

[Lance_Iguana]

You are arguing based on your unique interpretation which I'm honestly hearing for the first time.

Then you don't talk to many people or have actually studied the actual material you are criticizing, because the very thing I'm telling you is very prevelent in accadamia is very well adressed by Muslim scholars.

For many Muslims, strapping oneself with explosives and blowing themselves up in the name of their religion constitutes "jihad".

No Its not for many muslims, its the extremists. Just like how some Christian extremists attack abortion doctors and Gay people. WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT?

Whether that is right interpretation or misinterpretation, and WHATEVER the word "jihad" means, including ANY acts or atrocities done in the name of Allah and Islam, do not the Hadith verses clearly spell out GUARANTEED place in heaven ?

I'm not going to let you twist this. Stop trying pigeon hole this and actually intellectually honest.

Basically, what the the scripture says is that if you do Allah's work, you get heaven. Just like how Jesus says if you do his will in his name, you get heaven. That's what it means. Stop dancing around trying to justify your bigotry by trying to limit the term Jihad.

Herein lies the stark contrast ......

Islamic Jihad is done FOR Allah, Christian atrocities are done AGAINST God.

Same as the Muslims. The Muslims think they are doing their work for Allah, and the Christians think exactly the same. The moderates from both religions call both extremist groups out. You're are employing cognitive dissonance by ignoring how people in your own faith convince themselves they are doing their acts for God.

If you are unable to provide any bible scriptures that says believers get rewarded for committed atrocities, just say so !

I'm sorry, but you haven't Given me a Scripture from the koran the justifies an atrocity either. Accept the ones you are trying to connect while ignoring the context.

I'm not going to bother, because I do have plenty of Scripture where the Jewish tribes Raided, raped and pillaged when god Commanded it. But I already know you will apply cognitive dissonance and justify it anyway. So there is no point.

I have a problem with ANY religion that commits atrocities in the name of religion, and that includes Christiantiy !

Then why are you trying so hard to make the Muslims a special case when all religions do it?

 

[Strangelove]

Bankers, Lawyers and Politicians are scaring me far more than the entirety of Islam quite frankly.

Thats a surprisingly observant, externalised and valid comment Mr.S.................?

Where did that pop out from?

 

[johnny botwright]

There are many with blood on their hands, who will face Judgement for their crimes, be it Genocide, or some other atrocity , carnage, act of terror,
For their total disregard for human life.
If your loved ones were the victims of such crimes, you would feel righteous indignation, against those who had committed such an act in cold blood.

And if by doing so people are mislead into believing that such acts will guarantee their salvation, and the only way to ensure their salvation,
They are in for a very big surprise.

There is a broad path that leads to hell and destruction, and many are on it, and a narrow path that leads to life,
Every one will have to give an account of their lives and deeds. johnny

 

[Tina]

Then you don't talk to many people or have actually studied the actual material you are criticizing, because the very thing I'm telling you is very prevelent in accadamia is very well adressed by Muslim scholars.

Really? The two Hadith verses that I provided say otherwise ....

Did you know that EVERY Muslim will tell you that they have no confidence in their salvation, no matter what they do for Allah or how often they do their religious stuff. Their religion is competely based on the mercy of Allah.

But in a bizarre twist, the two Hadith verses do indeed GUARANTEE that anyone who engages in Jihad a place in heaven.

Contradiction ? .... Go figure !

No Its not for many muslims, its the extremists. Just like how some Christian extremists attack abortion doctors and Gay people. WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT?

How often have you heard of Chrstian extremiists putting the entire world under high vigilance and tight security because of terrorists attacks? You're blowing a few isolated Christian extremists incidents out of proportion probably because they involve your gay community.

I'm not going to let you twist this. Stop trying pigeon hole this and actually intellectually honest.

Basically, what the the scripture says is that if you do Allah's work, you get heaven. Just like how Jesus says if you do his will in his name, you get heaven. That's what it means. Stop dancing around trying to justify your bigotry by trying to limit the term Jihad.

No it doesn't say that ! I challenge you to go talk to as many Muslims as possible and come back and tell me how many actually can confidently tell you that they will get to heaven by doing Allah's work ... That ain't what they're taught to believe at all !

I'm not going to bother, because I do have plenty of Scripture where the Jewish tribes Raided, raped and pillaged when god Commanded it. But I already know you will apply cognitive dissonance and justify it anyway. So there is no point.

"cognitive dissonance" ??

I need no such bombastic phrases to justify anything. The simple Bible will do, but then again, you are not interested in knowing the truth !

Then why are you trying so hard to make the Muslims a special case when all religions do it?

I never denied that all religions do it ... what I do deny though, is that Christianity condones it and the Bible teaches or promotes it.

Of course you'd say neither does Islam or the Quran promotes it, right? After all, it's supposed to be a relgion of "peace", the peace that has been shattered all throughout the world due to relgious distortions by some extremists !