Bible Study To the Jew first...........Rom. 1:16

[Douglas Summers]

False doctrine, doctrine of demons and destructive heresies.(2 Pet. 2:1-3, 10, 12-15, 17-19) While visible sin is more apt to identify and prick the conscience, Covert sin to the unstable and nominal christian, easily goes unchecked. To fellowship daily with God is to be dressed with the full armor of God. For it is not flesh and blood we fight against, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. (Eph. 6: 10-18) and again, for though we walk in the flesh, we do not war in the flesh........(2 Cor. 10: 3-5) Christ warned us that Satan from the beginning was a liar and the father of lies. (John 8:44). The most far reaching of his lies for the Church is his satanic system of doctrines. With his covert doctrines he appeals to the natural man's reasoning, and even a saved man who believed the Truth is becomes Spiritually impotent, by excepting the Truth along with a doctrine of Satan. They are babes in Christ and never seem to get off of the milk. But make no mistake, those who deny the Deity of Christ and works for Salvation are non of His. Replacement Theology is the satanic doctrine that God has forsaken the Jew and that the Church is the new Israel. This doctrine of Satan comes in many variations but it always rejects the Jew and glorifies the Gentile.
In every instance in Paul's ministry, He always preached or taught the Jew first. In all his missionary journey's, He always would seek out the Synagogue first. Even though he was the Apostle to the Gentiles The Jew came first (Rom. 1:16) I have even heard this in the Baptist Church that the Church was the new Israel. The Doctrines of Satan always appeal to the power of man over God's Grace (pride, lust, flesh) for they are from the heart of Cane.(1 John 3:11-12)

Many of the Satanic doctrines that appeal to mans pride are:

• you must be water baptized to be saved
• You can lose your salvation
• you must work to keep your salvation
• musical instruments in church service dishonor God
• babies must be baptized
• A priest takes the place of Christ
• the church structure is a clergy over the laity
• The Church must keep the Sabboth on Saturday
• you must pray to other saints or to Mary, the mother of Christ
• purgatory
• the Church is the kingdom
• the NT Church is under the law of tithing
• the LDS, JW, WWCG, CC, are the true Church
• if you do not send me 3 million dollars God is going to kill me doctrine
• God ordains gay priest
• if I attend church i'm in good with God

It is not just these alone, but what they expand to by liberal theology. Man has erased the line between good and bad, right and wrong, Godly and ungodly. Just a little leaven, leavens the whole loaf. Satan appeals to the Adam in us just as he did with Adam and Eve.

We must know the details of Scripture, the whole of Scripture and the doctrines of Scripture. If you do not know the Scriptures in detail, you can not know the Scriptures at all. To believe the wrong thing is far more worse than to do the wrong thing. Ask for Guidance.

In Christ
Douglas Summers

 

[Sinthesis]

What does it mean to be led by the Holy Spirit rather than legalism?

1Co 10:23 ¶ All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.​

It means we look at context, rather than blindly condemn. Not everything we disagree with is satanic doctrine. Much is simply a difference of opinion. Satan would like nothing better than to steer us towards the murderous self righteousness of Cain or the Pharisees when choosing how best to glorify God.

Mat 5:22 - But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
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Instead:

Eph 4:29 - Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
Eph 4:30 - And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Eph 4:31 - Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
Eph 4:32 - And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

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[jasonc]

its satanic to believe in the position of non-osas? if so then well please spread the word that Wesleyan revival was all a lie, that was nothing but satan as the Methodist don't teach eternal security.

adam Clarke was a Methodist an teaches the position I have stated.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Wesleyan is not God.
He was a human being, just as you and I are human beings.
Let's not put a human being on a pedestal because he had a big ministry in life.
Even the Apostle Paul said he only saw in part.

Wesleyan was a great man of God, but his word is not Scripture.

 

[jasonc]

Wesleyan is not God.
He was a human being, just as you and I are human beings.
Let's not put a human being on a pedestal because he had a big ministry in life.
Even the Apostle Paul said he only saw in part.

Wesleyan was a great man of God, but his word is not Scripture.

satanic and minor heresy are not the same. that was my point. by claiming that it was satanic to teach that means that Wesley was not a man of god and taught another gospel.

 

[Douglas Summers]

What does it mean to be led by the Holy Spirit rather than legalism?

1Co 10:23 ¶ All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.​

It means we look at context, rather than blindly condemn. Not everything we disagree with is satanic doctrine. Much is simply a difference of opinion. Satan would like nothing better than to steer us towards the murderous self righteousness of Cain or the Pharisees when choosing how best to glorify God.

Mat 5:22 - But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.


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Instead:

Eph 4:29 - Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
Eph 4:30 - And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Eph 4:31 - Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
Eph 4:32 - And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

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This is how Satan covertly appeals to man's nature. Paul is not talking about doctrine here, he is talking about the Christian corporate body should be in the harmony of the Spirit of Christ towards each other in love. For while you may be strong in faith and feel not guilty of pagan practices toward food and such, that you can sin by causing another weaker brother to participate in something that condemns his sole in his mind and causes grief. That is a sin against the brother of the body of Christ. He talks much about Christian conduct. Paul is saying, I walk weak with the weak and strong with the strong so as not to magnify myself and that I may be a positive comfort to the brethren. (1 Cor. 10: 23-33) Chapter 15 is doctrine of the resurrection and new body. Remember, we are to contend for the faith. Notice also that in (1 Cor. 12: 10) One of the gifts of the Spirit is the discerning of spirits to come against false prophets (1 John 4: 1-4)

In (Gal. 1:6-9) Paul contends for the faith and calls those accursed that preach another Gospel. And he make no bones about pleasing any man with comforting words. He is defending correct doctrine of Grace. Does Paul sound angry? Yes! Being angry without a cause is usually jealously. Paul has a cause here, He is defending the Gospel.

In Christ
Douglas Summers

 

[th1b.taylor]

satanic and minor heresy are not the same. that was my point. by claiming that it was satanic to teach that means that Wesley was not a man of god and taught another gospel.

Since there is scripture to support both positions fall withing the pail of orthodoxy. It has, long been my feeling that OSAS takes in all the scripture to form this position but this is not an issue of salvation and I have yet to see anyone go further than presenting the one sided scriptures and to demand that all believe as they do. These, narrow minded, people exist on both sides of the argument and both of these are horizontally incorrect and neither of the narrow minded will return to scripture in a Complete Topical Study.

Please, both of you, break out the Nave's and the Torrey Topical Study guides and work from there, don't either of you serve Satan this way.

 

[winepress]

I am a Jew. God hasn't forsaken me. I am a Christian. I am an Israelite. I am of the Church. The New Jerusalem. The Heavenly Mount Zion, the City of the Living God. Jerusalem is my Mother. Her Husband is Christ is the King. The King of Israel. I can show you all those scriptures.
The only way a Jew is forsaken of God is if they didn't don't receive Christ as their Messiah. And those jews whoever they were in Christ's day, or down through history, and even today, are most certainly cut off because of Unbelief. Most haven't/don't/never will accept Christ. I know. I have a huge family of them. They are atheists, Talmudists, and Kabalists. My flesh and blood. They kicked me out, disowned me. Because I received Christ as the Messiah of Israel. Do you think I think they are "chosen" or something?

Does that mean I'm a spawn of satan?

I was baptized by Water and the Word and in the Holy Spirit. I baptize others by water in obedience to the Words of Holy Writ. I preach righteousness, to walk in righteousness and keep the commandments that Jesus says to keep. To Love the Lord God and our neighbor as ourselves.

Does that mean I'm a spawn of satan?

Does anyone else get a yukky feeling about these above posts? I'm new here. But I'm not new to someone's wholesale condemnation of others with fire and brimstone... yuk

 

[th1b.taylor]

I am a Jew. God hasn't forsaken me. I am a Christian. I am an Israelite. I am of the Church. The New Jerusalem. The Heavenly Mount Zion, the City of the Living God. Jerusalem is my Mother. Her Husband is Christ is the King. The King of Israel. I can show you all those scriptures.
The only way a Jew is forsaken of God is if they didn't don't receive Christ as their Messiah. And those jews whoever they were in Christ's day, or down through history, and even today, are most certainly cut off because of Unbelief. Most haven't/don't/never will accept Christ. I know. I have a huge family of them. They are atheists, Talmudists, and Kabalists. My flesh and blood. They kicked me out, disowned me. Because I received Christ as the Messiah of Israel. Do you think I think they are "chosen" or something?

Does that mean I'm a spawn of satan?

I was baptized by Water and the Word and in the Holy Spirit. I baptize others by water in obedience to the Words of Holy Writ. I preach righteousness, to walk in righteousness and keep the commandments that Jesus says to keep. To Love the Lord God and our neighbor as ourselves.

Does that mean I'm a spawn of satan?

Does anyone else get a yukky feeling about these above posts? I'm new here. But I'm not new to someone's wholesale condemnation of others with fire and brimstone... yuk

I like to think of them both as Saved Men that, like me, like you, need a good deal of godly polish yet. My mother's side is German Jewish, in denial, and Jason is also a converted Jew.

Oh, and I missed it but welcome. Maybe the rest of your sojourn will be more delightful or as some yanks think we Texans might say, more better!

 

[Douglas Summers]

I am a Jew. God hasn't forsaken me. I am a Christian. I am an Israelite. I am of the Church. The New Jerusalem. The Heavenly Mount Zion, the City of the Living God. Jerusalem is my Mother. Her Husband is Christ is the King. The King of Israel. I can show you all those scriptures.
The only way a Jew is forsaken of God is if they didn't don't receive Christ as their Messiah. And those jews whoever they were in Christ's day, or down through history, and even today, are most certainly cut off because of Unbelief. Most haven't/don't/never will accept Christ. I know. I have a huge family of them. They are atheists, Talmudists, and Kabalists. My flesh and blood. They kicked me out, disowned me. Because I received Christ as the Messiah of Israel. Do you think I think they are "chosen" or something?

Does that mean I'm a spawn of satan?

I was baptized by Water and the Word and in the Holy Spirit. I baptize others by water in obedience to the Words of Holy Writ. I preach righteousness, to walk in righteousness and keep the commandments that Jesus says to keep. To Love the Lord God and our neighbor as ourselves.

Does that mean I'm a spawn of satan?

Does anyone else get a yukky feeling about these above posts? I'm new here. But I'm not new to someone's wholesale condemnation of others with fire and brimstone... yuk

Hi winepress, What above post are you talking about that are yukky? And who said you were a spawn of Satan?

In Christ
Douglas Summers

 

[winepress]

Hi Douglas,
It is true that many are weak and sickly, having been given a poisoned dose of bad theology. Most of the things you posted above are bad teachings. And as destructive as bad doctrine is, not everything you listed is bad doctrine. I listed two of them in my post.
I am the Israel Bride of Christ - we all are. Jesus is only sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Israel is Jews and Gentiles brought together as One. The New Covenant in Christ's Blood as Promised. We are Married to him.
That is NOT a doctrine of satan.
Same with baptism. Anyone who says that baptism is a doctrine of satan I am extremely suspect in their motives. I could very easily say that someone who was opposed to being baptized as according to scriptures was, as you said, " If you do not know the Scriptures in detail, you can not know the Scriptures at all. To believe the wrong thing is far more worse than to do the wrong thing."

I believe you are in error about at least those couple things, and I would be happy to go into it with you. But I wouldn't approach you saying any of that stuff you said in your OP... that was brutal and harsh and self condemning... self condemning because if you happened to be wrong, which you most certainly are about those two things, that would mean YOU are preaching satan spawned doctrine. Not a lot of warm fuzzies there huh.

Everyone starts out a blithering idiot full of Joy when they receive Christ. That person is a charm to be around Even though they are blabbing incoherent silliness, we take them aside and show them how to learn from God by the Word and the Receiving of the Holy Spirit of Christ into them, who is always Faithful to reveal all things.
We grow... we come out of this satanic world this way.

But to up front say this is right and that is wrong and throw the baby out with the bath water is not the way to do it.

I have great disdain and righteous indignation toward those who try to tell me or my Christian brethren that I/we are not Israel, especially those who then throw out that ridiculous jewish created term "replacement theology". I can easily say that whoever says that is of the devil. But I don't. Perhaps I should? No, I don't think so.
Same with baptism. The only people who refuse to be baptized are those who have no intent to die to themselves and have their sins washed away and be raised in newness of life, I could say they are of satan also. I can even prove it. But I wouldn't say it to them if I had an ounce of Godly love and some patience and bear with them in their bad teaching... are you understanding what I am saying?

I am an Israelite. In the full sense of the Name. For Israel is the Bride of Christ in the New Marriage Covenant a.k.a the N.T. in Christ's Blood.
To be told that everything I am in Christ is of satan.... well are you getting my point?
I will talk to anybody about anything. But I will never lead in with, "that is of satan". It is a wrong spirit. Because you certainly wouldn't want to be judged accordingly if in the end you were found to have false doctrine also I don't think.

So anyway, I guess that's my rant. Jesus loved me and died for me while I was yet still in my sins and ignorance. In meekness and humility. I just think we should all be the same way is all.

And one last thing. Sin is much more important to deal with than doctrine. And Love is much more important than doctrine.
Like a shovel and a hoe, you NEED both of those before you can even hope to have a chance to cultivate proper knowledge in someone. So no, I would not have put together an OP like you did. You can see how it can affect some people.
You did ask, so there it is. I hope you are ok with this, nothing personal. I say it all in the Love of Christ

Peace friend

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Does anyone else get a yukky feeling about these above posts? I'm new here. But I'm not new to someone's wholesale condemnation of others with fire and brimstone... yuk

I got a yucky feeling when I saw that to not believe in OSAS is based in man's pride.

Sadly, few understand the Biblical non-OSAS argument to know that it's hardly a doctrine that appeals to man's pride. Few know that Biblical non-OSAS is not a works salvation. Faith all by itself justifies in a correct non-OSAS doctrine just as it does in the OSAS doctrines.

 

[jasonc]

some forms of replacement theology have gone to far. not all mentioning of isreal is the church. I have heard people say that. im like how did you get that?

 

[reba]

Remember Jason i told you about my Great Grandfather being Jewish will i checked it out.. You and i are cousins ... So I will always be 1/8 saved.

 

[Douglas Summers]

Hi Douglas,
It is true that many are weak and sickly, having been given a poisoned dose of bad theology. Most of the things you posted above are bad teachings. And as destructive as bad doctrine is, not everything you listed is bad doctrine. I listed two of them in my post.
I am the Israel Bride of Christ - we all are. Jesus is only sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Israel is Jews and Gentiles brought together as One. The New Covenant in Christ's Blood as Promised. We are Married to him.
That is NOT a doctrine of satan. The Scriptures already say this about the Body of Christ, that out of the two he has created one new man. Breaking down the wall of or ordinances and law of commandments. This is The body of Christ, the Church, of which He is HEAD of. He is the bridegroom and we are His bride. This was decided even before the creation of the world, which makes it older than the Calling of Israel. (Eph. 1:3-9; 2: 14-18; Matt. 25: 31-34) As a matter of fact the bride and body of Christ is neither Jew nor Gentile, nor male or female, nor slave or free.......(Col. 3:1-21)

Same with baptism. Anyone who says that baptism is a doctrine of satan I am extremely suspect in their motives. I could very easily say that someone who was opposed to being baptized as according to scriptures was, as you said, " If you do not know the Scriptures in detail, you can not know the Scriptures at all. To believe the wrong thing is far more worse than to do the wrong thing." ??? I never said this about baptism. There is the doctrine of Satan that it is water baptism that saves you. I know a multitude of people that get baptized because they think that saves them. Without the blood of Christ you can be dunked so many times that the tadpoles know your name, but water baptism in and of it self will never save you....never! Only The Blood of our Savior. and then we follow after or Lord in baptism. This saving by baptism is believed so much that babies are sprinkled with water by a priest so that they will be
saved.

I believe you are in error about at least those couple things, and I would be happy to go into it with you. But I wouldn't approach you saying any of that stuff you said in your OP... that was brutal and harsh and self condemning... self condemning because if you happened to be wrong, which you most certainly are about those two things, that would mean YOU are preaching satan spawned doctrine. Not a lot of warm fuzzies there huh. My teachings are not my own, my calling and election is pastor / teacher. I don't say that in pride but in confidence of Him who has called me. None of your criticism has anything to do with my post. You have either misunderstood or have not asked for Spiritual insight.

Everyone starts out a blithering idiot full of Joy when they receive Christ. That person is a charm to be around Even though they are blabbing incoherent silliness, we take them aside and show them how to learn from God by the Word and the Receiving of the Holy Spirit of Christ into them, who is always Faithful to reveal all things.
We grow... we come out of this satanic world this way. Here is how the Lord says we start out (Matthew Chapter 13)

But to up front say this is right and that is wrong and throw the baby out with the bath water is not the way to do it.

I have great disdain and righteous indignation toward those who try to tell me or my Christian brethren that I/we are not Israel, especially those who then throw out that ridiculous jewish created term "replacement theology". I can easily say that whoever says that is of the devil. But I don't. Perhaps I should? No, I don't think so.
Same with baptism. The only people who refuse to be baptized are those who have no intent to die to themselves and have their sins washed away and be raised in newness of life, I could say they are of satan also. I can even prove it. But I wouldn't say it to them if I had an ounce of Godly love and some patience and bear with them in their bad teaching... are you understanding what I am saying?

I am an Israelite. In the full sense of the Name. For Israel is the Bride of Christ in the New Marriage Covenant a.k.a the N.T. in Christ's Blood.
To be told that everything I am in Christ is of satan.... well are you getting my point?
I will talk to anybody about anything. But I will never lead in with, "that is of satan". It is a wrong spirit. Because you certainly wouldn't want to be judged accordingly if in the end you were found to have false doctrine also I don't think.

So anyway, I guess that's my rant. Jesus loved me and died for me while I was yet still in my sins and ignorance. In meekness and humility. I just think we should all be the same way is all. Not just you, all of us.

And one last thing. Sin is much more important to deal with than doctrine. And Love is much more important than doctrine.
Like a shovel and a hoe, you NEED both of those before you can even hope to have a chance to cultivate proper knowledge in someone. So no, I would not have put together an OP like you did. You can see how it can affect some people.
You did ask, so there it is. I hope you are ok with this, nothing personal. I say it all in the Love of Christ. Be careful how you chastise. Discernment by the flesh and self willed worship is a wide path. Spiritual understanding come from the Spirit of Christ in us. All the Doctrine of God in Jesus Christ.....All of it! has freed us from the slavery of sin for those who believe it.
In the bound of peace from Christ our Lord, The Head of the Church and Son of David, King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Come soon O, Lord, Come soon.

in Christ
Douglas Summers

Peace friend

winepress, I really do not know how you came up with this interpretation of my post?

 

[Jesus Martyr]

Remember Jason i told you about my Great Grandfather being Jewish will i checked it out.. You and i are cousins ... So I will always be 1/8 saved.

haha yes, and therein lies the point... or counterpoint as the case may be, since bloodline means nothing (other than Christ being born of David);

(Rom 3:22) Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom_10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

The Birthright only comes by Faith

(Rom 11:26) And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
(Rom 11:27) For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
(Col 3:10) And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
(Col 3:11) Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

All of us in Christ is the Israel of God;

(Gal 6:14) But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
(Gal 6:15) For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
(Gal 6:16) And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.