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Bible Study To Those Who Want To Know....Continued

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Douglas Summers

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With Moses giving Israel's destiny, by God's will, In Deuteronomy, along with instruction of worship, blessings and curses, depending upon their obedience. This Covenant with God is called the PALESTINIAN COVENANT. Israel entered the promised land under The Palestinian Covenant.
God's Punishment with GRACE. The Lord did not allow Moses to enter into the promised land that God had given to Abraham and his descendants. God loved Moses, he was a servant and prophet of The Lord with the heavy burden of leading God's chosen people and his brethren out of bondage. But God was angry with Moses because of his unbelief of God's instructions and not sanctifying God in the eyes of the congregation, when God told how to get the water from the Rock for the people and their live stock. (Exodus 17:6) (Num. 20:1-13) For that reason, Moses's punishment was to only see, but not enter the promised land. The Lord carries Moses at the age of a 120 years and buries His tired and faithful servant.

The Lord talks to Joshua The Son of Nun and gives him the responsibility of of leading the congregation into the promised land. The Land that God promised Abraham (Israel) Included Much of Syria, about 1/4 of Saudi Arabia, over half of Iraq, Jordan, and part of Egypt. The area of the promised land is about the area of the size of the state of Texas, but because of their lack of faith in God, The only occupied the area of the size of the state of Rhode Island.
Joshua kept Israel strong and defeated many enemies and God blessed Israel under him. As Joshua comes to his end, he reminds Israel of Moses warnings to worship The Lord God only and the prophecies of obedience and rebellion to the Israelite's.

After Joshua, The Lord appointed Judges to rule over Israel. They are still under the Palestinian Covenant. To be continued. More to be continued.... if you want to see the difference between Israel and the Church, and the different promises that make up the ethnic division of the Scriptures (The Jew (Israel), The Church (body and bride of Christ) and the Gentile (the rest of man kind)
(1 Cor. 10: 32-33) Then I will continue.
 
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Jos 21:43 ¶ And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
Jos 21:44 - And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.
Jos 21:45 - There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.
 
Sinthesis said:
Jos 21:43 ¶ And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
Jos 21:44 - And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.
Jos 21:45 - There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.
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    Here is a study site if you are interested in understanding the promised land. God gave them all the Land He promised, but they did not POSSES THE LAND. The land had many kingdoms in it and Israel was to take the land and posses it. The closest they got was when King David and Solomon were reining over Israel, but they never did occupy all of the land. Then because of disobedience, Israel lost what land they had attained. They will reign in that land during the millennial.
 
Jos 21:43 ¶ And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.​

Did they keep it? No. But they were given it and they did possess it. Ownership has always been with God, and He gives it to whom He will. Jesus, being God, means the land will forever have Jewish ownership, but He still gives it to whom He will.
 
Sinthesis said:
Jos 21:43 ¶ And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
Jos 21:44 - And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.
Jos 21:45 - There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.
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You can not bend the Bible and History to fit your understanding. Study the History with the Scriptures.
If you will just look at the geological map of the earth, you will see the state of Israel (it is about the size of Rhode Island). If you will study the Abrahamic Covenant, you will see that God gave them: Part of Egypt, All of Jordan, over Half of Iraq (up to the Euphrates River), More than half of Syria. The promised Land mass is about the size of Texas. Israel is not the size of Texas.

They received all of the Land that God Had Promised.
Josh 21:43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. 44 And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand. 45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass. (KJV)
(Josh 21:43 So the LORD gave Israel all the land he had sworn to give their forefathers, and they took possession of it and settled there. 44 The LORD gave them rest on every side, just as he had sworn to their forefathers. Not one of their enemies withstood them; the LORD handed all their enemies over to them. 44 The LORD gave them rest on every side, just as he had sworn to their forefathers. Not one of their enemies withstood them; the LORD handed all their enemies over to them.
45 Not one of all the LORD's good promises to the house of Israel failed; every one was fulfilled. (NIV)
Josh 23:14 And, behold, this day I am going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which the LORD your God spake concerning you;
all are come to pass unto you, and not one thing hath failed thereof. (KJV)
Ps 44:1 We have heard with our ears, O God; our fathers have told us what you did in their days, in days long ago. 2 With your hand you drove out the nations and planted our fathers; you crushed the peoples and made our fathers flourish. 3 It was not by their sword that they won the land, nor did their arm bring them victory; it was your right hand, your arm, and the light of your face, for you loved them. (NIV)
Ps 105:43 And he brought forth his people with joy, and his chosen with gladness: 44 And gave them the lands of the heathen: and they inherited the labour of the people; (KJV)
However, -
They would be Destroyed off of the Land
Josh 23:14 And, behold, this day I am going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which the LORD your God spake concerning you; all are come to pass unto you, and not one thing hath failed thereof. 15 Therefore it shall come to pass, t, that as all good things are come upon you, which the LORD your God promised you; so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things, until the covenant of the LORD your God, which he commanded you, and have gone and served other gods, and bowed yourselves to them; then shall the anger of the LORD be kindled against you,(KJV)
Deut 31:29 For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands. (KJV)
Jacob spoke of the last days
Gen 49:1 And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days. (KJV)
Judah would be a governing people until the messiah came.
Gen 49:9 Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?
10The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be. (KJV)
Judah's governing stopped when Christ came and destroyed the temple.
By that time the old temple had been replaced with one that was not made by men's hands.
Israel did not occupy all of the land they were given. It was given to them and so it was theirs, yet they did not occupy all of it. Again, - It was given as promised, but there were conditions. - They were to drive out the enemies and they did not do this.
The promise did not specifically say they would occupy, even though they disobeyed, only that it would be given to them.
Rom 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? (KJV)
God has always fulfilled his part of his covenants.
 
Sinthesis said:
Jos 21:43 ¶ And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.​

Did they keep it? No. But they were given it and they did possess it. Ownership has always been with God, and He gives it to whom He will. Jesus, being God, means the land will forever have Jewish ownership, but He still gives it to whom He will.
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That makes no sense in the context that Israel does not possess the land that God promised them. That was the only point I was making. yes God gave it to them, yes it is perpetually their land they will occupy it in the future. But had they been obedient and run out all the heathen nations as God commanded (for God would have delivered them in the hands of Israel) but their lack of faith in God left their enemies in the Promised land to grow and conquer Israel. And not only that, the heathen nations that Israel did not drive out caused Israel to worship other Gods not known to Israel.
 
Sinthesis said:
Jos 21:43 ¶ And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.​

Did they keep it? No. But they were given it and they did possess it. Ownership has always been with God, and He gives it to whom He will. Jesus, being God, means the land will forever have Jewish ownership, but He still gives it to whom He will.
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Did post #5, along with the study guide in Scriptures, help you to understand what I was teaching? Because what I taught is what the Scriptures teach.
 
Douglas Summers said:
The promised Land mass is about the size of Texas.
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Either that, or somewhat larger. Regardless, the modern state of Israel does not represent the size of the true Promised Land within the Abrahamic Covenant. During the time of Joshua, there was a partial fulfilment, but later on Israel was dispossessed, the Northern Kingdom disappeared, and Judah was left in Palestine. After 70 AD Israel was totally dispossessed, and even after 1948, has only occupied some of the Land of Promise. It is only after Christ establishes His millennial Kingdom that Israel will conform to the Abrahamic Covenant, and those dwelling in Israel will be converted and righteous Jews.
 
Malachi said:
Either that, or somewhat larger. Regardless, the modern state of Israel does not represent the size of the true Promised Land within the Abrahamic Covenant. During the time of Joshua, there was a partial fulfilment, but later on Israel was dispossessed, the Northern Kingdom disappeared, and Judah was left in Palestine. After 70 AD Israel was totally dispossessed, and even after 1948, has only occupied some of the Land of Promise. It is only after Christ establishes His millennial Kingdom that Israel will conform to the Abrahamic Covenant, and those dwelling in Israel will be converted and righteous Jews.
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Yes, That fulfillment I believe will happen in the "Day of The Lord". The Abrahamic Covenant is about the Promised Land and a savior benefiting Jew and Gentile. The Davidic Covenant is about the KINGDOM.
 
Douglas Summers said:
Did post #5, along with the study guide in Scriptures, help you to understand what I was teaching? Because what I taught is what the Scriptures teach.
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People can come to honestly different conclusions about the geographical extent of the promised land as described in multiple bible verses. I believe the scriptures define a smaller promised land that was fulfilled in the time from Joshua to Solomon. The following passage makes no sense if your idea of a Texas sized promised land is correct, for it would include Moab, yet Moses didn't get to enter the promised land.

Deu 34:1 ¶ And Moses went up from the plains of Moab unto the mountain of Nebo, to the top of Pisgah, that is over against Jericho. And the LORD shewed him all the land of Gilead, unto Dan,
Deu 34:2 - And all Naphtali, and the land of Ephraim, and Manasseh, and all the land of Judah, unto the utmost sea,
Deu 34:3 - And the south, and the plain of the valley of Jericho, the city of palm trees, unto Zoar.
Deu 34:4 - And the LORD said unto him, This is the land which I sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, saying, I will give it unto thy seed: I have caused thee to see it with thine eyes, but thou shalt not go over thither.
Deu 34:5 ¶ So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.​
 
Sinthesis said:
People can come to honestly different conclusions about the geographical extent of the promised land as described in multiple bible verses. I believe the scriptures define a smaller promised land that was fulfilled in the time from Joshua to Solomon. The following passage makes no sense if your idea of a Texas sized promised land is correct, for it would include Moab, yet Moses didn't get to enter the promised land.

Deu 34:1 ¶ And Moses went up from the plains of Moab unto the mountain of Nebo, to the top of Pisgah, that is over against Jericho. And the LORD shewed him all the land of Gilead, unto Dan,
Deu 34:2 - And all Naphtali, and the land of Ephraim, and Manasseh, and all the land of Judah, unto the utmost sea,
Deu 34:3 - And the south, and the plain of the valley of Jericho, the city of palm trees, unto Zoar.
Deu 34:4 - And the LORD said unto him, This is the land which I sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, saying, I will give it unto thy seed: I have caused thee to see it with thine eyes, but thou shalt not go over thither.
Deu 34:5 ¶ So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.​
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Sinthesis said:
People can come to honestly different conclusions about the geographical extent of the promised land as described in multiple bible verses. I believe the scriptures define a smaller promised land that was fulfilled in the time from Joshua to Solomon. The following passage makes no sense if your idea of a Texas sized promised land is correct, for it would include Moab, yet Moses didn't get to enter the promised land.

Deu 34:1 ¶ And Moses went up from the plains of Moab unto the mountain of Nebo, to the top of Pisgah, that is over against Jericho. And the LORD shewed him all the land of Gilead, unto Dan,
Deu 34:2 - And all Naphtali, and the land of Ephraim, and Manasseh, and all the land of Judah, unto the utmost sea,
Deu 34:3 - And the south, and the plain of the valley of Jericho, the city of palm trees, unto Zoar.
Deu 34:4 - And the LORD said unto him, This is the land which I sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, saying, I will give it unto thy seed: I have caused thee to see it with thine eyes, but thou shalt not go over thither.
Deu 34:5 ¶ So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.​
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Yes, That is the same place I got my information from. Can you imagine what it would be like to be responsible for a man to manage and lead a nation in the wilderness? It would be near impossible without mental fatigue and exasperation but for the Lord.
 
Sinthesis said:
People can come to honestly different conclusions about the geographical extent of the promised land as described in multiple bible verses. I believe the scriptures define a smaller promised land that was fulfilled in the time from Joshua to Solomon. The following passage makes no sense if your idea of a Texas sized promised land is correct, for it would include Moab, yet Moses didn't get to enter the promised land.


Deu 34:1 ¶ And Moses went up from the plains of Moab unto the mountain of Nebo, to the top of Pisgah, that is over against Jericho. And the LORD shewed him all the land of Gilead, unto Dan,
Deu 34:2 - And all Naphtali, and the land of Ephraim, and Manasseh, and all the land of Judah, unto the utmost sea,
Deu 34:3 - And the south, and the plain of the valley of Jericho, the city of palm trees, unto Zoar.
Deu 34:4 - And the LORD said unto him, This is the land which I sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, saying, I will give it unto thy seed: I have caused thee to see it with thine eyes, but thou shalt not go over thither.
Deu 34:5 ¶ So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.​
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Here is some information on the size of the promised land of Israel.
Will all Israel return to the Promised Land?

By Alexander Zephyr
Will there be enough room for all of them?

This is the question that has received many controversial answers. Some scholars say that it will hardly be possible to accommodate a multi- hundred million people from the Ten Tribes of Israel in the ‘tiny’ territory of the ancient Promised Land. They accept the idea that many representatives of all twelve Tribes will settle in the Biblical Land of Israel in their tribal allotments in the Messianic Era, but not all Israelites will return to the Land of their fathers. Is the ancient Biblical Land of Israel really that small? We do not thing so. The expanded Land of Greater Israel from Nile to Euphrates has enough territory to settle all the Israelites together with the strangers among them! There is an opinion that the entire population of the world could be placed in the state of Texas, which consist of 268,820 square miles or 696,200 square kilometers. By comparison, the Biblical Land of Israel is not “tiny” at all. Its borders will include the Eastern part of Egypt, Sinai, Lebanon, Jordan, island of Cyprus, part of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Syria, parts of Iraq and Turkey. It is estimated that the Promised Land is eight times the size of Texas. The population of all the children of Israel is much less than that of the whole world. It would be no problem to accommodate all Israelites on their Land. Especially, as the prophets say, all the Arab and Muslim enemy-nations surrounding Israel will have been defeated and expelled out of the Land. Their lands will be repossessed by Israelites.
 
Douglas Summers said:
Here is some information on the size of the promised land of Israel.
Will all Israel return to the Promised Land?

By Alexander Zephyr
Will there be enough room for all of them?

This is the question that has received many controversial answers. Some scholars say that it will hardly be possible to accommodate a multi- hundred million people from the Ten Tribes of Israel in the ‘tiny’ territory of the ancient Promised Land. They accept the idea that many representatives of all twelve Tribes will settle in the Biblical Land of Israel in their tribal allotments in the Messianic Era, but not all Israelites will return to the Land of their fathers. Is the ancient Biblical Land of Israel really that small? We do not thing so. The expanded Land of Greater Israel from Nile to Euphrates has enough territory to settle all the Israelites together with the strangers among them! There is an opinion that the entire population of the world could be placed in the state of Texas, which consist of 268,820 square miles or 696,200 square kilometers. By comparison, the Biblical Land of Israel is not “tiny” at all. Its borders will include the Eastern part of Egypt, Sinai, Lebanon, Jordan, island of Cyprus, part of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Syria, parts of Iraq and Turkey. It is estimated that the Promised Land is eight times the size of Texas. The population of all the children of Israel is much less than that of the whole world. It would be no problem to accommodate all Israelites on their Land. Especially, as the prophets say, all the Arab and Muslim enemy-nations surrounding Israel will have been defeated and expelled out of the Land. Their lands will be repossessed by Israelites.
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With all due respect to Alexander Zephyr, that interpretation of biblical information is in error. Ignoring the issue of the ten lost tribes of Israel to focus on the issue of the boundaries of the promised land, you should realize that if the above boundaries were correct, then the Exodus account would actually be that the Israelites, captive in the promised land of Goshen in eastern Egypt, chose to wander in the promised land of the Sinai for forty years, until Moses was buried in the promised land of Moab, leaving the Israelites to be led by Joshua into the (accurate) promised land of Canaan. Never mind the fact that those boundaries would also mean God called Abram out of the promised land of Ur.

Gen 15:7 ¶ And he said unto him, I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.​
 
Sinthesis said:
With all due respect to Alexander Zephyr, that interpretation of biblical information is in error. Ignoring the issue of the ten lost tribes of Israel to focus on the issue of the boundaries of the promised land, you should realize that if the above boundaries were correct, then the Exodus account would actually be that the Israelites, captive in the promised land of Goshen in eastern Egypt, chose to wander in the promised land of the Sinai for forty years, until Moses was buried in the promised land of Moab, leaving the Israelites to be led by Joshua into the (accurate) promised land of Canaan. Never mind the fact that those boundaries would also mean God called Abram out of the promised land of Ur.

Gen 15:7 ¶ And he said unto him, I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.​
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So what do you believe about the Promised land boundaries God promised Israel? BTW what lost tribe are you talking about? God knows where His people are.
 
Douglas Summers said:
BTW what lost tribe are you talking about? God knows where His people are.
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For God, none of the tribes are lost. Hence they are specifically named in Revelation 7 and Ezekiel. And this pertains to something yet future. We should always try to see things from God's perspective, since He is the one who made His everlasting covenants.
 
Malachi said:
For God, none of the tribes are lost. Hence they are specifically named in Revelation 7 and Ezekiel. And this pertains to something yet future. We should always try to see things from God's perspective, since He is the one who made His everlasting covenants.
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I think I recognize that doctrine. It is Called "British Israeltism" It is the doctrine of what use to be the "World Wide Church of God". It was run by Herbert W. Armstrong who has since passed away. I don't know what they call their self now. I studied their teachings for about a year. They meet on Saturdays and live under the OT law. I went to a service once, they do not sing any of the Hymns we are fond of, they made up all of their own songs. There was no Spirit there, it was a DEAD church.
 
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