Turkish Airlines bans stewardesses' red lipstick

[farouk]

Okay so the news, if it is even newsworthy, is that Turkish Airlines is banning stewardesses' red lipstick.

While some observers reckon this is evidence of the influence of religious conservatives, in North America the instinctive reactions to this piece of news, trivia or whatever, are likely to vary.

In history, the use of red lipstick became widespread in America during the time of the campaigns of the Woman Suffrage movement a century ago and, ever since leading Suffragists became accustomed to wearing it, it has been worn very widely. (With most wearers probably unaware of the historical origins of its widespread use in North America.)

I suppose a few Christian Fundamentalist preachers won't be able to resist giving a running commentary and saying they think such a ban is supposedly a good idea.

But if they are aware of such a ban, my guess is that many Christian women will at least instinctively feel like wanting to wear their red lipstick with confidence.

Trivia? a pressing issue?

Blessings.

 

[Sparkey]

Turkish Airlines, Europe's fourth-biggest carrier, said the ban was aimed at keeping crews "artless and well-groomed, with makeup in pastel tones", as a natural look improved communication with passengers.

"As a consequence of our current cabin uniforms not including red, dark pink, etc, the use of lipstick and nail polish in these colours by our cabin crew impairs visual integrity," the statement said.

"Turkey is 99% Muslim but the Nato state and EU candidate has a secular constitution."​

Source:

US Edition of TheGuardian UK >> News >> World news >> Turkey

Turkish Airlines crew banned from wearing red lipstick and nail polish
Europe's fourth-biggest carrier says bright makeup 'impairs visual integrity', triggering concerns over creeping Islamisation

 

[farouk]

Sparrowhawke:

Interesting...so all the little old ladies in church who wear it are 'impairing visual integrity', are they?

Blessings.

 

[Claudya]

Interesting...so all the little old ladies in church who wear it are 'impairing visual integrity', are they?

Some of them actually do. lol
Some poeple have a weird taste when it comes to combining colours.

Airlines having guidelines for their flight attendants about what kind of make-up or hair styling to wear is not unusual.

 

[farouk]

Interesting...so all the little old ladies in church who wear it are 'impairing visual integrity', are they?

Some of them actually do. lol
Some poeple have a weird taste when it comes to combining colours.

Airlines having guidelines for their flight attendants about what kind of make-up or hair styling to wear is not unusual.

Claudya:

Well, I'm sure you're right.

I think in the case of the report it's the cultural background that has prompted the headlines.

 

[Claudya]

I think in the case of the report it's the cultural background that has prompted the headlines.

Yeah I think so, too. Turkey is in an inner conflict between laicist secular western orientation (the government controls religion) and muslim traditionalism and radicalism. Both sides keep eyeing each other with great suspicion.

 

[farouk]

I think in the case of the report it's the cultural background that has prompted the headlines.

Yeah I think so, too. Turkey is in an inner conflict between laicist secular western orientation (the government controls religion) and muslim traditionalism and radicalism. Both sides keep eyeing each other with great suspicion.

Claudya:

In fact I think quite a lot of young German women prefer black lipstick, right?

 

[Mizzy]

In history, the use of red lipstick became widespread in America during the time of the campaigns of the Woman Suffrage movement a century ago and, ever since leading Suffragists became accustomed to wearing it, it has been worn very widely. (With most wearers probably unaware of the historical origins of its widespread use in North America.)

Interesting.

 

[Claudya]

Claudya:

In fact I think quite a lot of young German women prefer black lipstick, right?

Yeah the goth ones.
I'd sure like black lipstick for certain occasions, but I have yet to find a store selling it.

 

[farouk]

Claudya:

In fact I think quite a lot of young German women prefer black lipstick, right?

Yeah the goth ones.
I'd sure like black lipstick for certain occasions, but I have yet to find a store selling it.

Claudya:

Well, I see, so as a German Ms. you quite like the look, too? (I think you'll find that quite a few stores in Berlin would sell it, anyway.) I reckon there is something clear-cut and fashionably earnest about it, anyhow. I had definitely gotten the impression that for some reason it has become particularly liked by many German young women.

(I wonder what Turkish Airlines would think, though?)

 

[farouk]

Interesting.

Mizzy:

Yes it is, isn't it?

You can see, anyway, with its background with the Suffragists 100 years ago, why many women wanted to wear their red lipstick with confidence, anyway. (Not that it's an at all radical thing to do, mind.)

Blessings.

 

[Claudya]

Well, I see, so as a German Ms. you quite like the look, too? (I think you'll find that quite a few stores in Berlin would sell it, anyway.) I reckon there is something clear-cut and fashionably earnest about it, anyhow. I had definitely gotten the impression that for some reason it has become particularly liked by many German young women.

(I wonder what Turkish Airlines would think, though?)

I sure like Gothic style, but I wouldn't consider Gothic something typical for Germany.
I'd love to have a gothic style cross necklace, but again there's no store here selling good ones. Don't necessarily have to go as far as Berlin. Leipzig or my hometown Chemnitz are bigger than Jena, so they are more likely to have Gothic stores.

No idea what the Turkish airline, or any airline would think about their flight attendants wearing black lipstick. They'd probably freak.
But this is getting me to a nice idea: Someone should start a new airline: Gothic Air. All planes would be painted black (inside and outside), flight attendants are of course dressed Gothic style (including black lipsticks. Male attendants, too.) and are supposed to have piercings and/ or tattoos. At least they should wear fake piercings if they don't want to get real ones. Also, the movies shown during the flight would be horror movies and the food would be served on skull shaped plates. Cabin lights are candles. Black candles, of course.
I'm sure people would love to travel with Gothic Air.

 

[farouk]

Well, I see, so as a German Ms. you quite like the look, too? (I think you'll find that quite a few stores in Berlin would sell it, anyway.) I reckon there is something clear-cut and fashionably earnest about it, anyhow. I had definitely gotten the impression that for some reason it has become particularly liked by many German young women.

(I wonder what Turkish Airlines would think, though?)

I sure like Gothic style, but I wouldn't consider Gothic something typical for Germany.
I'd love to have a gothic style cross necklace, but again there's no store here selling good ones. Don't necessarily have to go as far as Berlin. Leipzig or my hometown Chemnitz are bigger than Jena, so they are more likely to have Gothic stores.

No idea what the Turkish airline, or any airline would think about their flight attendants wearing black lipstick. They'd probably freak.
But this is getting me to a nice idea: Someone should start a new airline: Gothic Air. All planes would be painted black (inside and outside), flight attendants are of course dressed Gothic style (including black lipsticks. Male attendants, too.) and are supposed to have piercings and/ or tattoos. At least they should wear fake piercings if they don't want to get real ones. Also, the movies shown during the flight would be horror movies and the food would be served on skull shaped plates. Cabin lights are candles. Black candles, of course.
I'm sure people would love to travel with Gothic Air.

Claudya:

Sounds an interesting idea!

Doesn't sound like you've gone very far yet yourself in getting all those Gothic enhancements that you mention, though...

 

[Claudya]

Doesn't sound like you've gone very far yet yourself in getting all those Gothic enhancements that you mention, though...

Yeah, not enough money to buy stuff. I'd love to have piercings, too, but can't afford them.

 

[farouk]

Doesn't sound like you've gone very far yet yourself in getting all those Gothic enhancements that you mention, though...

Yeah, not enough money to buy stuff. I'd love to have piercings, too, but can't afford them.

Claudya: Like second set for ears, I suppose; is Claire's expensive in Germany? I think in North American it's a favorite affordable destination for it.

(Some airlines are okay with it, too.)

 

[Claudya]

No idea about Claire's, never been there. I'd need to have my first set of ear holes re-done. Getting ear holes at a jeweler shop or a barber shop is cheap, but they use those pistols and that didn't work well for me the first time (they never healed, so I was in a lot of pain when wearing earrings). Thus I'd rather have them done by a real piercer this time.

 

[farouk]

No idea about Claire's, never been there. I'd need to have my first set of ear holes re-done. Getting ear holes at a jeweler shop or a barber shop is cheap, but they use those pistols and that didn't work well for me the first time (they never healed, so I was in a lot of pain when wearing earrings). Thus I'd rather have them done by a real piercer this time.

Claudya:

Oh you mean ears done at a tattoo/piercing parlor, do you? They will use a needle on you there, not a gun.

(Anyway I'm sure Turks, too, use parlors in Germany, and I'm sure they must exist in Turkey, too.)

In any case, I'm sure they have makoever spas in places such as Istanbul and Ankara, so I'm sure if they can afford it on their salaries this is where Turkish Airlines stewardesses would sometimes go.

 

[Claudya]

Yeah needles may be more painfull during the piercing, but they are better for the skin tissue to heal afterwards.
I've seen Turkish guys here pierced so much they look like christmas trees so, yeah, they use parlors. Istanbul and Ankara are rather modern cities, so they sure have "makeover places".
But not sure stewards/stewardesses are allowed to have visible piercings during their work.

 

[farouk]

Yeah needles may be more painfull during the piercing, but they are better for the skin tissue to heal afterwards.
I've seen Turkish guys here pierced so much they look like christmas trees so, yeah, they use parlors. Istanbul and Ankara are rather modern cities, so they sure have "makeover places".
But not sure stewards/stewardesses are allowed to have visible piercings during their work.

Claudya:

Yes, at a parlor with a needle they will do a clean cut through the earlobe.

There are many Turks in Germany, right? in the east, especially since Unification. So you would know, I'm sure.

 

[Claudya]

There are more Turkish immigrants in the western parts because West German invited them into the country to help do all the work that they had when the economy was on a high during the post WWII rebuilding of the country. East Germany had a few foreign workers from other countries, but not from Turkey. So there are still more people of Turkish origin in the western parts than here, but those east-west differences will diminish in time.