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Twelve rules that are broken when people speak in tongues Part 1

electedbyHim

Elected by Him
Calvinism Overseer
I found another Bible study that might interest some people.

TWELVE RULES THAT ARE BROKEN WHEN PEOPLE SPEAK IN TONGUES

In chapter fourteen of the first letter to the Corinthians, twelve rules are laid down to regulate speaking in tongues. The Holy Spirit inspired Paul, the apostle, to write these rules. They are from God and he cannot violate any of them. If anyone in the Corinthian church spoke in tongues and violated anyone of the rules in 1 Corinthians 14, it was a confirmation that the Holy Spirit had not moved this person to speak in tongues; it was another spirit. The Holy Spirit cannot lead anyone to do contrary to His Holy Word. These seven rules condemn the Pentecostal and charismatic movements at every turn.

We find that Paul writes to the Corinthians to rebuke them of misusing the gifts. We also see that the Corinthian were not spiritual in any way but acting as the world.

1Co 3:1-3 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as men of flesh, as to infants in Christ. I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able to receive it. Indeed, even now you are not yet able, for you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like mere men?

The Corinthian church had many serious problems, one of which was factionalism. After Apollos had ministered in Corinth for a time, some of the believers developed a special loyalty to him. Friction began to develop between them and those whose loyalty was to Paul. Others were loyal to Peter (Cephas, his Aramaic name) and still another group identified itself as belonging only to Christ. The apostle strongly rebuked all of them for quarreling and having such unspiritual divisions (1:10–13; 3:1–9).

Their most serious problem, however, was in not detaching themselves from the worldly ways of the society around them. They could not understand, and perhaps did not want to understand, the principle of “Do not love the world, nor the things in the world” (1 John 2:15). They could not get “decorinthianized.” In his previous lost letter, Paul specifically had warned them “not to associate with immoral people” (1 Cor. 5:9). Some of the Christians thought he meant for them not to associate with unbelievers who were immoral. But the sexually corrupt, the covetous, swindling, and idolatrous people to whom Paul referred were fellow church members who refused to give up, or had fallen back into, the debauched life–style of Corinth (5:9–11). The faithful believers were not to associate with such as those. Such wicked brethren were, in fact, to be put out of the fellowship in order to purify the church (5:13).

Like many Christians today, the Corinthian believers had great difficulty in not mimicking the unbelieving and corrupt society around them. They usually managed to stay a little higher than the world morally, but they were moving downward, in the same direction as the world. They wanted to be in God’s kingdom while keeping one foot in the kingdom of this world. They wanted to have the blessings of the new life but hang on to the pleasures of the old. They wanted to have what they thought was the best of both worlds, but Paul plainly warned them that that was impossible (6:9–10).

The Corinthians had gotten the principles confused. They continued to associate with openly and arrogantly sinful church members, with whom they should have broken fellowship. And, on the other hand, they mimicked, but refused to associate with, their unbelieving neighbors, to whom they should have been witnessing.

Yet they lacked no spiritual resources (1:5–7) and had great potential for spiritual power and blessing. Paul longed to see that potential realized. Such was the church to whom Paul wrote.


1. TONGUES HAD TO BE HUMAN LANGUAGES.

1Co 14:10 There are, perhaps, a great many kinds of languages in the world, and no kind is without meaning.


Paul simply points up the obvious: the purpose of every language is to communicate, not to impress and certainly not to confuse, as the Corinthians had been doing with their counterfeits. That was clearly the point in the first instance of tongues: Each heard the apostles speak in his own language (Acts 2:6, cf. v. 8). This section makes an undeniable case for the fact that the true gift of tongues was never some unintelligible gibberish, but was human language that was to be translated (v. 13).

2. TONGUES WERE FOR PUBLIC USE AND EDIFYING THE CHURCH.

1Co 14:12, 13 So also you, since you are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek to abound for the edification of the church. Therefore let one who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret.

1Co 14:26 What is the outcome then, brethren? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.


It seems that chaos and lack of order was rampant in that assembly (v. 33). It is interesting that no elders or pastors are mentioned, and the prophets were not even exercising control (see vv. 29, 32, 37). Everyone was participating with whatever expression they desired “whenever” they desired. a psalm. The reading or singing of an OT psalm. a teaching. This probably refers to a doctrine or subject of special interest (v. 33). a tongue. In the singular, this refers to the counterfeit. See note on vv. 2–39. a revelation. Some supposed word from God, whether spurious or genuine. an interpretation. This refers to that of a tongue’s message. for edification. This was Paul’s way of calling a halt to the chaos. Edification is the goal, (cf. vv. 3–5, 12, 17, 26, 31) and the Corinthian chaos could not realize it (cf. 1 Thess. 5:11; Rom. 15:2

The so-called closet use of tongues has no Biblical foundation whatsoever. The private use of tongues is selfish, unwarranted, and unbiblical.

3. TONGUES HAD TO BE A SIGN TO UNBELIEVING JEWS.

1Co 14:21 In the Law it is written, "BY MEN OF STRANGE TONGUES AND BY THE LIPS OF STRANGERS I WILL SPEAK TO THIS PEOPLE, AND EVEN SO THEY WILL NOT LISTEN TO ME," says the Lord.


In a freely rendered quotation from Is. 28:11, 12, Paul explains that centuries earlier the Lord had predicted that one day He would use men of other tongues, that is, foreigners speaking unknown languages, as a sign to unbelieving Israel, who “will not hear Me.” These “other tongues” are what they knew as the gift of languages, given solely as a sign to unbelieving Israel. That sign was 3-fold: cursing, blessing, and authority. To emphasize the cursing, Paul quoted Isaiah’s words of warning to Judah of the judgment from Assyria

1Co 14:22 So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe.

Explaining further, he says explicitly that all tongues are for the sake of unbelievers. In other words, that gift has no purpose in the church when everyone present is a believer. And once the sign served its purpose to pronounce judgment or cursing on Israel, and the judgment fell, the purpose ceased along with the sign gift. The blessing of that sign was that God would build a new nation of Jews and Gentiles to be his people (Gal. 3:28), to make Israel jealous and someday repent (see Rom. 11:11, 12, 25–27). The sign was thus repeated when Gentiles were included in the church (Acts 10:44–46). The sign also gave authority to those who preached both the judgment and blessing (2 Cor. 12:12), including Paul (v. 18).

4. A MAXIMUM OF TWO OR THREE WERE ALLOWED TO SPEAK IN TONGUES IN ANY MEETING

1Co 14:27a If anyone speaks in a tongue, it should be by two or at the most three


This means that, if a fourth person speaks in tongues in the same meeting, it is not of the Spirit of God but of another spirit.

5. ONE PERSON AT A TIME WAS TO SPEAK IN TONGUES

1Co 14:27b and each in turn,


By course means by order, turn, or succession. The Bible leaves nothing to guesswork. If two speak at the same time, at least one of them is not of God.
 
I found another Bible study that might interest some people.
electedbyhim “from your post post”
“The Corinthian church had many serious problems, one of which was factionalism. After Apollos had ministered in Corinth for a time, some of the believers developed a special loyalty to him. Friction began to develop between them and those whose loyalty was to Paul. Others were loyal to Peter (Cephas, his Aramaic name) and still another group identified itself as belonging only to Christ. The apostle strongly rebuked all of them for quarreling and having such unspiritual divisions (1:10–13; 3:1–9).”
………….
The Corinthians were a new gentile Church. They did not know of Daniel and a tongue message written on the wall, or the interpretation. Or of the prophets use of the spiritual gifts. Paul set about teaching about the correct ways to use the spiritual gifts.

eddif
 
electedbyhim “from your post post”
“The Corinthian church had many serious problems, one of which was factionalism. After Apollos had ministered in Corinth for a time, some of the believers developed a special loyalty to him. Friction began to develop between them and those whose loyalty was to Paul. Others were loyal to Peter (Cephas, his Aramaic name) and still another group identified itself as belonging only to Christ. The apostle strongly rebuked all of them for quarreling and having such unspiritual divisions (1:10–13; 3:1–9).”
………….
The Corinthians were a new gentile Church. They did not know of Daniel and a tongue message written on the wall, or the interpretation. Or of the prophets use of the spiritual gifts. Paul set about teaching about the correct ways to use the spiritual gifts.

eddif
Who wrote the Bible study you quote? Are you up on the subject?

1. TONGUES HAD TO BE HUMAN LANGUAGES.
Maybe
1. Tongues needed to be presented in the audiences human language.

1 Corinthians 13:1 kjv
13. Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Charity uses interpretation to deliver angelic messages to people.
…….
2. TONGUES WERE FOR PUBLIC USE AND EDIFYING THE CHURCH.
Maybe
2. Tongues were for public use to edify the Church, and for private use.

1. Corinthians 14:28 kjv
28. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and
let him speak to himself, and to God.

Mysteries later
……..

3. TONGUES HAD TO BE A SIGN TO UNBELIEVING JEWS.
Maybe
3. Tongues are a sign to pagans, but believing Jews have Daniels interpretation in their heritage.

Isaiah 8:19 kjv

19. And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

……
4. A MAXIMUM OF TWO OR THREE WERE ALLOWED TO SPEAK IN TONGUES IN ANY MEETING
Maybe
4. A maximum of two or three prophets were allowed to speak or tongues with interpretation which equals prophesy.

1 Corinthians 14:29
29. Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

Tongues are not the only spiritual gifts.

1 Corinthians 14:5 kjv
5. I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
…….
Am I an expert? No.
I have to rely on Old Testament scripture, Jesus words, empowered apostles writings in the New Testament, and the quickening spirit that Jesus became.

Since the thread is new I thought this post might help up front.

Mississippi redneck
eddif
 
Ain't no rules , all the so called tongues right now is nothing more than babble ,plan and simple .The next time true tongues will be spoken will be when the Elect are delivered up to death(satan) as per the below

Mark 13:9 "But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake,, for a testimony against them."

Mark 13:9 "But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them."


Mark 13:10 "And the gospel must first be published among all nations."

Mark 13:11 "But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost [Spirit]."

When this time comes into being in the very near future, it will not be the elect of God that does the speaking, but the Holy Spirit speaking in and through the mouths of His elect. Every one of these individuals will be delivered before these false councils before the return of Christ. This is why Peter would say to the people in Acts 2, on Pentecost day; "This is that which was spoken of by Joel the Prophet."



 
Ain't no rules , all the so called tongues right now is nothing more than babble ,plan and simple .The next time true tongues will be spoken will be when the Elect are delivered up to death(satan) as per the below

Mark 13:9 "But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake,, for a testimony against them."

Mark 13:9 "But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them."


Mark 13:10 "And the gospel must first be published among all nations."

Mark 13:11 "But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost [Spirit]."

When this time comes into being in the very near future, it will not be the elect of God that does the speaking, but the Holy Spirit speaking in and through the mouths of His elect. Every one of these individuals will be delivered before these false councils before the return of Christ. This is why Peter would say to the people in Acts 2, on Pentecost day; "This is that which was spoken of by Joel the Prophet."



Isaiah 8:19 kjv
19. And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

The demonic speaking in nonsense is taken by pagans as a sign you have arrived. That is a complement to them.


The New Testament use of spiritual gifts are more common ways to edify the Church.
Christians individual salvation is through Jesus alone, and not through spiritual gifts.

So I would say:
Spiritual gifts are a tool set to allow witnessing about Jesus. Jesus is the center of the Gospel.

The physical is just a way to say if the physical can be done, then eternal life through Christ is possible.

Matthew 9:6 kjv
6. But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.

Healing is used to convince people to believe eternal life is possible.

Spiritual gifts are not our main goal. Our goal is being a witness about eternal life through the Gospel.

Again, the spiritual gifts are a tool set. Are they spiritually given? Yes. Are the spiritual gifts the main desire? No.

Others can help a Mississippi redneck get it said right.

eddif
 
I have seen doubt cast about praying in tongues, but never from the ones who pray in tongues .
Do you pray in tongues electedbyhim ?
I am told that I do not speak in tongues because I do not have the anointing of the Holy Spirit. Whatever that means.

I understand that those who speak in tongues are more spiritual than I am.
 
electedbyhim “from your post post”
“The Corinthian church had many serious problems, one of which was factionalism. After Apollos had ministered in Corinth for a time, some of the believers developed a special loyalty to him. Friction began to develop between them and those whose loyalty was to Paul. Others were loyal to Peter (Cephas, his Aramaic name) and still another group identified itself as belonging only to Christ. The apostle strongly rebuked all of them for quarreling and having such unspiritual divisions (1:10–13; 3:1–9).”
………….
The Corinthians were a new gentile Church. They did not know of Daniel and a tongue message written on the wall, or the interpretation. Or of the prophets use of the spiritual gifts. Paul set about teaching about the correct ways to use the spiritual gifts.

eddif
Thank you for your opinion.
 
Who wrote the Bible study you quote? Are you up on the subject?

1. TONGUES HAD TO BE HUMAN LANGUAGES.
Maybe
1. Tongues needed to be presented in the audiences human language.

1 Corinthians 13:1 kjv
13. Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Charity uses interpretation to deliver angelic messages to people.
…….
2. TONGUES WERE FOR PUBLIC USE AND EDIFYING THE CHURCH.
Maybe
2. Tongues were for public use to edify the Church, and for private use.

1. Corinthians 14:28 kjv
28. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and
let him speak to himself, and to God.

Mysteries later
……..

3. TONGUES HAD TO BE A SIGN TO UNBELIEVING JEWS.
Maybe
3. Tongues are a sign to pagans, but believing Jews have Daniels interpretation in their heritage.

Isaiah 8:19 kjv

19. And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

……
4. A MAXIMUM OF TWO OR THREE WERE ALLOWED TO SPEAK IN TONGUES IN ANY MEETING
Maybe
4. A maximum of two or three prophets were allowed to speak or tongues with interpretation which equals prophesy.

1 Corinthians 14:29
29. Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

Tongues are not the only spiritual gifts.

1 Corinthians 14:5 kjv
5. I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
…….
Am I an expert? No.
I have to rely on Old Testament scripture, Jesus words, empowered apostles writings in the New Testament, and the quickening spirit that Jesus became.

Since the thread is new I thought this post might help up front.

Mississippi redneck
eddif
Thank you for your opinion.
 
Isaiah 8:19 kjv
19. And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

The demonic speaking in nonsense is taken by pagans as a sign you have arrived. That is a complement to them.


The New Testament use of spiritual gifts are more common ways to edify the Church.
Christians individual salvation is through Jesus alone, and not through spiritual gifts.

So I would say:
Spiritual gifts are a tool set to allow witnessing about Jesus. Jesus is the center of the Gospel.

The physical is just a way to say if the physical can be done, then eternal life through Christ is possible.

Matthew 9:6 kjv
6. But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.

Healing is used to convince people to believe eternal life is possible.

Spiritual gifts are not our main goal. Our goal is being a witness about eternal life through the Gospel.

Again, the spiritual gifts are a tool set. Are they spiritually given? Yes. Are the spiritual gifts the main desire? No.

Others can help a Mississippi redneck get it said right.

eddif
Thank you for your opinion
 
Mark 13:11 "But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost [Spirit]."

When this time comes into being in the very near future, it will not be the elect of God that does the speaking, but the Holy Spirit speaking in and through the mouths of His elect. Every one of these individuals will be delivered before these false councils before the return of Christ. This is why Peter would say to the people in Acts 2, on Pentecost day; "This is that which was spoken of by Joel the Prophet."
I did come to a practical understanding about what is spoken of here in Mark 13 . About me , I do in my alone time with God pray in tongues sometimes . I have not given a message out in tongues in a church service , but I did have this happen .
A few years back I was a patient on a limited access floor of a hospital , I was not allowed to leave the hospital of my own volition, I was in for observation. Once a day we would have a session with a leader asking a question and we would take turns giving our thoughts . The leader asked the question and I was not first in line to answer and as I was sitting there trying to form an answer in my head it was NOT happening no matter how I tried ! I knew that something needed to be said but I could not even get two words together in my mind . When it came for my turn to speak much to my shock my mouth opened and out came the most eloquent words and the words came out with force and precision but they were NOT my words it was the Holy Spirit giving the message in English . I am by no stretch of the imagination a good speaker , so my face had to be one of utter disbelief as the words came out of my mouth . So I came to understand what is meant by these verses , Matt10:10-11.
19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
 
Do you believe what you are being told ?

How did you come by this understanding ?
Of course I do not believe what I am told.
It has been well said that those who do not have the sign gifts are not as spiritual.

Of course I do not believe this when I see how these people talk and live their lives.
 
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