Underground consentration camps for the sheep.

[Anna1334]

Why are people so passive can’t you see we are headed for marshal law. Has anybody here have done a deep study into the Illuminati? Well I suggest you do it quickly before it will take you unaware. Why do most Christians honor Satan by letting your children see or read Harry potter, and watch Disney movies? Can you ever wake up and smell the coffee, you are playing into the trap Satan has set for your children, and later these same children will betray you to the Antichrist. I am pleading with all of you to be aware of what is out there. You might say you do know but you really do not know. The economy is going to be destroy and new world order will be born out of disorder, we are going to see this soon, I study who are these Illuminati People and they are the top branch of all the little branches like the new age religion and Wicca all evil comes from them, they are the richest people in the world and yes they invade your schools your groceries your fuel, your economy It has infiltrated government on a local, state and national level; education and financial institutions; religion and the media. Based in Europe, it plans a "world order" that will make its earlier attempts, Nazism and Communism, look like picnics. One other detail: these people are not happy.
In all walks of life including religion, and false Christianity. I will give you a link from a former Illuminati who got saved blow the whistle and vanish like smoke. Also have you heard of underground concentration camps made to put people inside and 1000,s of coffins made out of plastic that can fit three people into one coffin? Why do you not check this out for yourselves, or are you asleep as the foolish virgins that came in to late and had no oil for their lamps were rejected by the smart ones. I say this to open your eyes to the truth. You know the Bible yes; than you know Antichrist comes in to fix the world’s problems. Can you see where the world is headed right now? Well are surprise all this is done purposely so that you will exchange your freedom for a false security. THEY WANT TO GIVE YOU THE CHIP AT ALL COST GET IT!!. So they will scare you into taking the mark of the beast, they will tell you there is food shortage and yes there will be food shortage when everything will escalate out of proportion. Over night the money will disappear and be just paper. Go look into your 401k and see how much you lost already. Tell the bank if you got lots of money that what do you have to do that you will like to close your account, and see what they answer you back and come and post it here.!! I am not telling you to take it out, but just ask. I heard a young girl at work she only wanted to take out 4,000 and they question her. Another Jewish man wanted to take out 6,000 and they gave him all sorts of warnings. This man I am telling you about is just one of the thousands who are speaking against the worlds system that want to bring disorder so they can implement order. A ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT; maybe before December. Shalom. Love you all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ-DkS-XOOM&feature=related

 

[brakelite2]

Hi Anna. I agree with much of what you say is happening. But to lay the responsibility at the feet of the 'illuminati' , although accurate, is not the whole picture. For a more acurate view of the big picture and an understanding of who is really behind these things, I recommend this site.http://www.spirituallysmart.com/index5.html I do not agree with everything this guy says, but the info he has on the Jesuits is spot on. They are the enemy.

 

[Joshua]

This style of apocalyptic rant never sits well with me. I feel it's a scare tactic that will rarely work for bringing people to Christ. The anti-christ is something best reserved for people who are in The Body. To non-christians it sounds like a sci-fi movie. Even if everything you state was 100% true, the way you presented it lacks a calm tone that makes it sound true. Which in my opinion makes everything you said seem to lack any merit for research or further thought.

 

[Anna1334]

Okay Joshua, I wish you did your own investigation instead of blowing air without knowing what you are talking about. I've been very inform by hundreds of sources and Here is one for you!!!! Today at work I picked up the News paper The Houston Chronicle and this is what it says. Get to reading . Yes I am upset but I care enough to warn the sheep about the what I have study for hours and hours, if you did the same you wouldn't be talking to me like this; instead you be thanking me.
The Houston Chronicle today but it was written yesterday. Read on!!!!

Financial stress sparks a rise in depression, violence
Shelters are full, hot lines are busy, and deaths add up
By KELLI KENNEDY Associated Press

An out-of-work money manager in California loses a fortune and
wipes out his family in a murder-suicide. A 90-year-old Ohio widow shoots herself in the chest as authorities arrive to evict her from the modest house she called home for 38 years.
In Massachusetts, a housewife who had hidden her family's mounting financial crisis from her husband sends a note to the mortgage company warning: "By the time you foreclose on my house, I'll be dead."
Then Carlene Balderrama shot herself to death, leaving an insurance policy and a suicide note on a table.
Across the country, authorities are becoming concerned that the nation's financial woes could turn increasingly violent, and they are urging people to get help. In some places, mental-health hot lines are jammed, counseling services are in high demand and domestic-violence shelters are full.
"I've had a number of people say that this is the thing most reminiscent of 9/11 that's happened here since then," said the Rev. Canon Ann Malonee, vicar at Trinity Church in the heart of New York's financial district. "It's that sense of having the rug pulled out from under them."
With nowhere else to turn, many people are calling suicide-prevention hot lines. The Samaritans of New York have seen calls rise more than 16 percent in the past year, many of them money-related. The Switchboard of Miami has recorded more than 500 foreclosure-related calls this year.
"A lot of people are telling us they are losing everything. They're losing their homes, they're going into foreclosure, they've lost their jobs," said Virginia Cervasio, executive director of a suicide resource enter in southwest Florida's Lee County.
But tragedies keep mounting:
 In Los Angeles last week, a former money manager fatally shot his wife, three sons and his mother-in-law before killing himself.
Karthik Rajaram, 45, left a suicide note saying he was in financial trouble and contemplated killing just himself. But he said he decided to kill his entire family because that was more honorable, police said.
Rajaram once worked for a major accounting firm and for Sony Pictures, and he had been part-owner of a financial holding company. But he had been out of work for several months, police said.
After the murder-suicide, police and mental-health officials in Los Angeles took the unusual step of urging people to seek help for themselves or loved ones if they feel overwhelmed by grim financial news. They said they were specifically afraid of the "copycat phenomenon."
"This is a perfect American family behind me that has absolutely been destroyed, apparently because of a man who just got stuck in a rabbit hole, if you will, of absolute despair," Deputy Police Chief Michel Moore said. "It is critical to step up and recognize we are in some pretty troubled times."
 In Tennessee, a woman fatally shot herself last week as sheriff's deputies went to evict her from her foreclosed home.
Pamela Ross, 57, and her husband were fighting foreclosure on their home when sheriff's deputies in Sevierville came to serve an eviction notice. They were across the street when they heard a gunshot and found Ross dead from a wound to the chest. The case was even more tragic because the couple had recently been granted an extra 10 days to appeal.
 In Akron, Ohio, the 90-year-old widow who shot herself on Oct. 1 is recovering. A congressman told Addie Polk's story on the House floor before lawmakers voted to approve a $700 billion financial rescue package. Mortgage finance company Fannie Mae dropped the foreclosure, forgave her mortgage and said she could remain in the home.
 In Ocala, Fla., Roland Gore shot his wife and dog in March and then set fire to the couple's home, which had been in foreclosure, before killing himself. His case was one of several in which people killed spouses or pets, destroyed property or attacked police before taking their own lives.
"The financial stress builds up to the point the person feels they can't go on, and the person believes their family is better off dead than left without a financial support," said Kristen Rand, legislative director of the Washington D.C.-based Violence Policy Center.
Dr. Edward Charlesworth, a clinical psychologist in Houston, said the current crisis is breeding a sense of chronic anxiety among people who feel helpless and panic-stricken, as well as angry that their government has let them down.
"They feel like in this great society that we live in we should have more protection for the individuals rather than just the corporation," he said.
It's not yet clear there is a statistical link between suicides and the financial downturn since there is generally a two-year lag in national suicide figures. But historically, suicides increase in times of economic hardship. And the current financial crisis is already being called the worst since the Great Depression.
Rising mortgage defaults and falling home values are at the heart of it. More than 4 million Americans were at least one month behind on their mortgages at the end of June, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association.
A record 500,000 had entered the foreclosure process. And that trend is expected to continue through next year, despite the current programs from the government and the lending industry to refinance delinquent homeowners into more affordable loans.
Counselors at Catholic Charities USA report seeing a "significant increase" in the need for housing counseling.
One counselor said half of her clients were on some form of antidepressant or anti-anxiety medication. The agency has seen a decrease in overall funding, but it has expanded foreclosure counseling and received nearly $2 million for such services in late 2007.
Adding to financially tense households is an air of secrecy. Experts said it's common for one spouse to blame the other for their financial mess or to hide it entirely, as Balderrama did.
After falling 3 1/2 years behind in payments, the Taunton, Mass., housewife had been intercepting letters from the mortgage company and shredding them before her husband saw them. She tried to refinance but was declined.
In July, on the day the house was to be auctioned, she faxed the note to the mortgage company. Then the 52-year-old walked outside, shot her three beloved cats and then herself with her husband's rifle.
Notes left on the table revealed months of planning. She'd picked out her funeral home, laid out the insurance policy and left a note saying, "pay off the house with the insurance money."
"She put in her suicide note that it got overwhelming for her," said her husband, John Balderrama. "Apparently she didn't have anyone to talk to. She didn't come to me. I don't know why. There's gotta be some help out there for people that are hurting, (something better) than to see somebody lose a life over a stupid house."
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Associated Press Writers P. Solomon Banda in Denver, Joann Loviglio in Philadelphia, Juanita Cousins in Atlanta, Samantha Gross in New York and John Rogers in Los Angeles contributed to this report.

 

[Anna1334]

brakelite2 Thanks, you are truly inform. The Jesuits are part of Illuminati, they all work for each other it is like a web, or an octopus with many legs, but they all lead to the body.The force over all is the Vatican and the CFR. is in control of the money.Here is from the mouth of the Illuminati himself. I know you will listen because your eyes are open to see, but most of the people are blind and this is what they want from us to be blind! While people are entertain with dancing with the stars and the American idle, Laws from are constitution are being broken and right before our eyes and no one is doing a thing. But all this is to happen according to prophecy, so the Antichrist will take over and everything will prosper in his hands. You have read it in Yahweh's Word, and now it is right at our door. Why are people so naive and not see???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oohv17NTLi8&feature=related
I love you all here is another ex member who desapaired for blowing the whistle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nf8WPQT4WE&feature=related
The man who killed two alien grays. This one was shut in his department.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbONIQfQmDU&feature=related

 

[Joshua]

Okay Joshua, I wish you did your own investigation instead of blowing air without knowing what you are talking about. I've been very inform by hundreds of sources and Here is one for you!!!! Today at work I picked up the News paper The Houston Chronicle and this is what it says. Get to reading . Yes I am upset but I care enough to warn the sheep about the what I have study for hours and hours, if you did the same you wouldn't be talking to me like this; instead you be thanking me.

What air am I blowing? I never claimed to know anything! I apologize if my response to your topic offended you. I was truely hoping to just point out how I felt about conspiracy theories to end the world, as a means to reach people for Christ.

Now the article you provided only shows me that many people base their lives around the things of this world...mainly money, houses, cars. So once those things might be lost or acually lost they are devastated. Which is understandable. Unfortunately the answer for some of these people is suicide or murder suicide. I feel these people have severe mental problems. There are millions of people in America facing hard times, are they all going to kill their family then themselves. I think not. This article is a very sad statement for America indeed, but I fail to see a conspiracy in it.

Now onto your youtube links. I watched them and did do some research. Now, I in no way expect us to agree on this.

John Todd: Dude is crazy. Please read: http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/John+Todd+(occultist)
and look at the Inconsistencies in Todd's testimony section. I don't think anything he says is bases in reality.

Leo Zagami: Look at his own website...http://www.leozagami.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=44&Itemid=55
and you can tell the this dude is crazy as the first!

I didn't have time to look into the alien guy who said aliens live underground. So I'll leave that one alone.

 

[Anna1334]

Josh no hard feelings, but I do believe John Todd was telling the truth, because he was an insider one of them; after he became a Christian he blew the whistle and vanish. So you rather believe in the ones that discredits him than him. You rather believe in the system than a converted Christian who was exposing the system even unto death. The reason why you are in denial is because like many people you do not want to see how horrible this world is turning out to be. You do not know what will hit you when it does! Yes those people who commit suicide are disturbed and they trusted in their money more than in Yahweh. Today I read an article of one that that wanted to sue God, the judge out ruled it because he cannot find Yahwh's address, that is how crazy people are today.. I will send you a more interesting link and maybe this one will open your eyes. Lets see what you have to say about this one? May our Lord Yeshua show you His Imminent return, only if you are willing to know. Josh tell me honestly did you really listen to all they had to say, or did you went out to find what was wrong with them? I know of someone that went to find God in the net, and instead got the devil; and was poses by demons do you believe that can happen?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOIUYdO-0bY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3dAnSMzUlo&feature=related

 

[Joshua]

I'll leave John Todd alone, I don't think we will agree on him. I am in denial of my denial :wink: , because I do see that the world is a bad place just getting worse. However the world has been a bad place since the fall of man. Even as bad as it is, I still find great joy in it and live my life for Christ. I'm sure you've heard "life is what you make of it". Well, I take every effort to make life enjoyable, loving, possitive and Christ-like. That does not mean I don't see the bad and evil things of the world, I just don't let them consume my every thought or dictate my evey action.

As for the links provided: Bush's statement about being a dictator was very much a joke between him and the person he was speaking to.

And this Jerome Corsi guy, do some research on him...he's looks to be a very angry man that has a beef with just about everyone. Most things he has written about in the last 20 years have been found to be factually untrue.

I know Jesus will return. When? I don't know. But why should it really matter? If you are a believer and live the way Christ desires you to live then whats to get all freaked out about? God will use all things to His Glory. So if Bush, Obama, or McCain becaome dictator of earth then so be it Christ will pravail. And if the rest of the world wants a one world order, then I don't see how Josh from Dallas is going to stop it. I can only control myself and try to influence others for Christ, by living as Christ lived. (Which is a very tall order when it comes to living)!

As for demon possession...I know its happened before look at the Bible. I don't think it has happened since the Apostolic Age. I just wonder whats the difference between some one possessed by demons and some one who is just a really bad and sinfull human? If they can do supernatural acts...like floating, ceiling climbing or head spinning... then I would say demon. Otherwise I would look to sinful or perhaps mental problems but not demon.

 

[wHiTe B o Y 161]

They are fulfilling prophecy.

Revelation 17 : 17 & Proverbs 21 : 1

They dont do anything that they shouldnt.

Who can resist the will of GOD?

 

[Anna1334]

Josh The Lord is coming for those who are looking and awaiting his coming, not for the people who are not looking up, and love their life on earth. Those who love their life will loose it but those who loose it for my name sake and the sake of the gospel will find it. How could any true christian love his life on earth the way it is, and who is ruling it? You must be crazy to say such a thing. Also the Bible says the beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord. Some get save out of fear like Mary Magdalene, and she was the first one Yeshua appear to. What is wrong to fear Him that makes you more holy and more thankful, are we reading the same Bible? Matthew 24:41-44 "Two women {will be} grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left.
Be Ready for His Coming
42. "Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming. "But be sure of this, that if the head of the house had known at what time of the night the thief was coming, he would have been on the alert and would not have allowed his house to be broken into. "For this reason you also must be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think {He will.} As you can see Yeshua told us to be ready and to look up. Every time I see anybody not excited about His coming to me they are zombies walking around with out a hope and a future; they love the world and it's goods to much to be excited about Yeshua's return. Not me I look everywhere for His return and I do not apologize for this, I await eagerly for to see my Yeshua I don't even think about how beautiful heaven is; all I can think about is to see my savior the one who forgives my sins and the one who loved me unto death. This world is rule by Satan who ever wants it can have it; but not for long even Yahweh will destroy it and give us a new world, not this contaminated one full of sin and deceit. So you just relax enjoy it while it is good for you. But for me only He matters and nothing else not movies games party's trips or anything else but Him. Also I care about His people enough to warn them of things to come not to put fear in them but so they will clean their lives up and worship Him and burn their idols what ever idols they may have. Look up for He is coming soon even at the door; even so come Lord Yeshua-Jesus amen. These are your words:D

When? I don't know. But why should it really matter? [/quote By your own words this tells me you do not long for His return. For whosoever want's to know here is a link about the coffins.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cb1_1222769512

 

[Joshua]

Let me address some of you comments and questions first...

How could any true christian love his life on earth the way it is, and who is ruling it? You must be crazy to say such a thing.

Loving my life and being a Christian are not mutually exclusive. If I loved my life more than Christ I would see your point, but I don't...Jesus is first in my life. Christ rules my life!

Also the Bible says the beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord. Some get save out of fear like Mary Magdalene, and she was the first one Yeshua appear to. What is wrong to fear Him that makes you more holy and more thankful, are we reading the same Bible?

I think you are confusing fear God with being "scared" of God. Do you truely understand what fear means when speaking about the fear of God? I do fear God, but as a believer I am not scared of God.We have His promise that nothing can separate us from His love (Romans 8:38-39). We have His promise that He will never leave us or forsake us (Hebrews 13:5). Fearing God means having such a reverence for Him, that it has a great impact on the way we live our lives. The fear of God is respecting Him, submitting to His discipline, and worshipping Him in awe. Hebrews 12:28-29 is a good description of this, "Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us show gratitude, by which we may offer to God an acceptable service with reverence and awe; for our God is a consuming fire.

Some get save out of fear like Mary Magdalene,

Could you provide some verses...I could find them. :

These are your(Joshua) words "When? I don't know. But why should it really matter?" By your own words this tells me you do not long for His return.

Yes I long for His return, but I have no control over it. Matthew 24: 36 states "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven." So Christ tells me I will not know when he is coming back.

Matthew 24:41-44 "Two women {will be} grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left. Be Ready for His Coming 42. "Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming. "But be sure of this, that if the head of the house had known at what time of the night the thief was coming, he would have been on the alert and would not have allowed his house to be broken into. "For this reason you also must be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think {He will.}

I believe I stated how I am ready for His coming...

I can only control myself and try to influence others for Christ, by living as Christ lived.

I don't believe trying to pin point the time of Christs return (when He tells me I will not know) is a good or Godly use of time. When Jesus returns is not as important as whether we are ready when he does. For 2000 years people have been saying the same things you have been saying about events around them to "prove" that the 2nd coming is at hand. Do some research into eschatology and eschatology throughout history. Since Christs Ascension into heaven there have been people, in every generation, who feel they are in the end times. So far everyone of them has been wrong. What makes us so special that we really know we are right this time?

All we can do is be prepaired by living the 2 commandments Christ called the greatest...Matthew 22:36-39 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'

So that is how I will live.

 

[Joshua]

I also had another thought...I like what Philippians 4:8-9 says(from The Message)Summing it all up, friends, I'd say you'll do best by filling your minds and meditating on things true, noble, reputable, authentic, compelling, graciousâ€â€the best, not the worst; the beautiful, not the ugly; things to praise, not things to curse. Put into practice what you learned from me, what you heard and saw and realized. Do that, and God, who makes everything work together, will work you into his most excellent harmonies.

I do struggle with this, it's easy to see and harp on the bad and ugly things of the world and curse them.

However, I've found that living like that does no one any good, not me, not my wife, not my brothers and sisters in Christ and certianly not those who don't know Christ as their Lord and Savior.

 

[Anna1334]

Joshua I made a mistake about the Mary forgive me I meant the one caught in adultery she fear for her life and she got saved. The Bible clearly teaches that some will get save out of fear. I see nothing wrong with the fear of Yahweh we must work out our own salvation with fear and with trembling. I am certain that our leaders are at the brink of telling us not to preach the gospel as a whole. The church will come under great persecution after Obama takes office. If you follow who he is and how that he is the most liberal president ever in the white house, and has elected a member from the CFR. Obama who voted for extermination of the baby after birth. Also The Illuminati leader said of him to be a Mason and this new Tim he has appointed secretary of treasure is also a Illuminati. So now we actually have the worst socialist government in the white house ever. No he is not the Antichrist but he could be one of the ten kings who will give power to the beast. Do not be deceived they want to chip us at all cost. May you enjoy all the blessings Yeshua has to offer.