[_ Old Earth _] Universe cant be eternal (Pro Christian)

[akottens]

It cant be eternal because of a few things

all uranium eventually turns into lead if the universe existed forever all uranium would be lead by now. It isnt we still have uranium

If there were an infinite amount of days before today, how did we get to today? For example <---------------------------0
Infinite cant get to today ^ Today

You can figure an infinite amount of mathematical points but not days
same as saying on two sides of a shelf, infinite points, not infinite books

 

[Sleeker]

It cant be eternal because of a few things

Who said it was eternal?

all uranium eventually turns into lead if the universe existed forever all uranium would be lead by now. It isnt we still have uranium

There are processes that make uranium though.

If there were an infinite amount of days before today, how did we get to today? For example <---------------------------0
Infinite cant get to today ^ Today

You can figure an infinite amount of mathematical points but not days
same as saying on two sides of a shelf, infinite points, not infinite books

That's kind of a useless question. If the universe was infinite, at any one point in time, it would be today.

 

[akottens]

atheists say it is eternal, the process of making uranium is intelligently designed (by us) as for your last question, its a little hard to explain, you cant get to the last book on the bookshelf if there are infitinit books in front of it

 

[ThinkerMan]

atheists say it is eternal, the process of making uranium is intelligently designed (by us) as for your last question, its a little hard to explain, you cant get to the last book on the bookshelf if there are infitinit books in front of it

What Sleeker meant (I assume) is not man-made processes (we really can't "make" uranium, we can only refine it).

Uranium is made in supernovae explosions. They occur quite often (and used to occur more often, astronomers think). That's how we get "new" uranium.

The uranium in the earth was made in a supernova explosion. That is one of the ways we know that the sun is a 3rd or 4th generation star. It is made up of stuff that was created when a previous star exploded.

 

[akottens]

atheists say it is eternal, the process of making uranium is intelligently designed (by us) as for your last question, its a little hard to explain, you cant get to the last book on the bookshelf if there are infinite books in front of it

 

[Quath]

The typical Big Bang Theory has a starting point when space & time and matter & energy were created. It seems to be infinite in space and maybe in time going to infinity.

But what does "eternal" mean to you? Does it mean "existing for all time?" If so, the universe is eternal because it has existed for all time.

(There are some variations of the Big Bang in which time exists before the universe came into existance, but it was in the quantum levels.)

There are some very good scientists working out the details of a lot of this. If you come up with something like "matter is not conserved" or "violation of some physics" I can assure you that they have had to deal with that and have solved it or understand why that physics doesn;t apply.

Quath

 

[keebs]

atheists say it is eternal, the process of making uranium is intelligently designed (by us) as for your last question, its a little hard to explain, you cant get to the last book on the bookshelf if there are infinite books in front of it

I'm an atheist and I don't think the universe has been around for eternity...

 

[Solo]

atheists say it is eternal, the process of making uranium is intelligently designed (by us) as for your last question, its a little hard to explain, you cant get to the last book on the bookshelf if there are infinite books in front of it

I'm an atheist and I don't think the universe has been around for eternity...

When did the universe begin and how?

 

[peace4all]

solo, science has yet to explain that, But we are working on it.

We refuse to believe in magic

 

[keebs]

When did the universe begin and how?

How did God come to exist? Don't question my beliefs without questioning your own.

 

[BradtheImpaler]

If there were an infinite amount of days before today, how did we get to today?

If God is eternal, how did He ever get to the point of creating the universe, since there would be an infinite amount of time before that point?

 

[Solo]

When did the universe begin and how?

How did God come to exist? Don't question my beliefs without questioning your own.

God is eternal past and present. Don't post comments if you do not want to answer questions relating to your comments.

 

[Solo]

If there were an infinite amount of days before today, how did we get to today?

If God is eternal, how did He ever get to the point of creating the universe, since there would be an infinite amount of time before that point?

God created time for his physical creation. God transcends time and space. God is not restricted by time and space as is his physical creation.

 

[keebs]

God is eternal past and present. Don't post comments if you do not want to answer questions relating to your comments.

God created time for his physical creation. God transcends time and space. God is not restricted by time and space as is his physical creation.

How can god be eternal past and present if he transcends time?

 

[peace4all]

wats funny, is that a mystic being can be able to travel time, and always existing, But it is LESS likely for it to already be that way, with out hte added in super god.

 

[Solo]

God is eternal past and present. Don't post comments if you do not want to answer questions relating to your comments.

[quote:18a2c]God created time for his physical creation. God transcends time and space. God is not restricted by time and space as is his physical creation.

How can god be eternal past and present if he transcends time?[/quote:18a2c]
God's ways are so much higher than man's ways that man can not fully understand. Eternity, infinity, ominicient, omnipresent, etc. are items that we can understand a small, finite portion of each with our understanding, but will not know the fullness of the understanding of these conditions until redeemed from our mortal, corrupt flesh.

Eternity is a word that is used for never beginning and never ending, as it refers to God, but it is not restricted by time.

 

[keebs]

Eternity is a word that is used for never beginning and never ending, as it refers to God, but it is not restricted by time.

By saying that God has always been and always will be you are making an obvious reference to the fact that God is subject to time.

 

[Solo]

Eternity is a word that is used for never beginning and never ending, as it refers to God, but it is not restricted by time.

By saying that God has always been and always will be you are making an obvious reference to the fact that God is subject to time.

God is eternal and is not restricted to the time that he created. For the physical realm and those existing in it, God is the beginning and the ending.

 

[BradtheImpaler]

If there were an infinite amount of days before today, how did we get to today?

If God is eternal, how did He ever get to the point of creating the universe, since there would be an infinite amount of time before that point?

God created time for his physical creation. God transcends time and space. God is not restricted by time and space as is his physical creation.

How do you know the universe is restricted by time and space? Have you seen the end of it? How do you know it has limits, or, that it has not been around for eternity in one form or another? That you refer to the universe as the "physical CREATION" assumes that God created it - but that's the question.

 

[Solo]

If there were an infinite amount of days before today, how did we get to today?

If God is eternal, how did He ever get to the point of creating the universe, since there would be an infinite amount of time before that point?

God created time for his physical creation. God transcends time and space. God is not restricted by time and space as is his physical creation.

How do you know the universe is restricted by time and space? Have you seen the end of it? How do you know it has limits, or, that it has not been around for eternity in one form or another? That you refer to the universe as the "physical CREATION" assumes that God created it - but that's the question.

The universe and its complete physical realm is governed by time, as time, matter, and space are created. God transcends time, space, and matter because he created all three. God is spirit and must be worshipped in spirit. The flesh can not worship God.

I have seen the beginning and the ending through the eyes that the Spirit has blessed me with, and I know the only salvation available to mankind. It is not through man's physical or mystical religious attempts to reach God or to become God; nor is it in anyone's attempt to deny the one true God.