[__ Prayer __] US leaders

[Christ_empowered]

from Trump on down the line. Things are crazier than usual, I think. Let us pray.

 

[Book Keeper]

Heavenly Father,
Guide the elected leaders in the United States to fulfil your work, allow them to bring unity and fellowship onto the citizens, resolve any conflict to a peaceful conclusion, and provide the leaders the strength to spread your message though both actions and words.
Amen!

 

[lisa-in-FL]

On the bright side, maybe all the chaos, corruption and uncertainty will make more people seek out someone steady, incorruptible and certain - like Jesus!

 

[Michael74]

The Father's will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

 

[Corn Pop]

The system is built on debt, and Trump knows debt, and Trump loves debt, so he knows the system.

 

[Michael74]

The system is built on debt...

...the borrower is a slave to the lender. Proverbs 22:7b CSB

Bankers confiscate stuff from Americans (inflation), and then lend their own stuff back to them. Creating a nation of slaves. This is not right.

 

[Christ_empowered]

the madness continues. -sigh-

may God's will be done, as other posters have rightly prayed. other than that...I hope+pray the craziness up top won't damage day to day business for the rest of us.

 

[Michael74]

...may God's will be done...

Amen. Let it be.

 

[Corn Pop]

...the borrower is a slave to the lender. Proverbs 22:7b CSB

Some people use other people's money to make money so both parties make. There is good debt and there is bad debt.

If someone borrows 10 and pays back 12 with interest and with that borrowed 10 they made 20, they just put 8 in there pocket.

 

[jasonc]

yeah, I think John Calvin wrote about positive, community-building aspects of lending and such...explains a lot about Calvinist approaches to economics.

states and cities and counties have to have a balanced budget, unless its san Francisco where they aske the feds to bail them out and also California and Illinois pension and moody credit rating(used to rate bonds) is bad. that means when they borrow they sell bonds to get the money. they must be able pay back the buyer with interest, Illinois was unable a few years ago to pay a big time lotto winner.

 

[Michael74]

There is good debt and there is bad debt.

That's true.

However, it is not right to confiscate other people's stuff for lending. Bankers repressively confiscate food from their elders' dinner tables, and lend the loot to rich hedge fund and such. One reason the Gini coefficient is to the moon.

The proper way to do things is to lend people's voluntary savings, and only their voluntary savings.

To maintain an honest currency.

 

[Corn Pop]

That's true.

However, it is not right to confiscate other people's stuff for lending. Bankers repressively confiscate food from their elders' dinner tables, and lend the loot to rich hedge fund and such. One reason the Gini coefficient is to the moon.

The proper way to do things is to lend people's voluntary savings, and only their voluntary savings.

To maintain an honest currency.

That's why I don't do the scheme they try make out is so good for retirement I get a lump sum payout at retirement in another 25 years. Because even my employer puts in a % on top of my income compulsory if I opt in, there is no interest, I get fees, and with inflation someone is making money and it's not me or my employer. When I retire I want to buy more than a loaf of bread with what my funds are worth.

 

[Michael74]

...there is no interest, I get fees, and with inflation someone is making money and it's not me or my employer. When I retire I want to buy more than a loaf of bread with what my funds are worth.

Yes, bankers are oppressing their elders, and making it difficult for youngster to adequately save for their retirement. Corporate defined benefit pension plans are almost extinct in the USA. They can't be reasonably funded with inflation and negative real interest rates. Bank inflation is now attacking 401 plans.

Its not right.

 

[daninthelionsden]

I believe corporate power has corrupted our government to the point that this nation is on the verge of collapse on every scale .....moral, financial, societal........the whole thing is waiting for someone to pull the toilet flush.

 

[jasonc]

I believe corporate power has corrupted our government to the point that this nation is on the verge of collapse on every scale .....moral, financial, societal........the whole thing is waiting for someone to pull the toilet flush.

I won't derail this thread but go look up,the nortthern state power grab and the early acts power grabs by Lincoln during and continued Johnson.

 

[Michael74]

Lobbyists. Get them out of DC and the state capitals. We need a Constitutional amendment.

 

[Christ_empowered]

I think we needed economic reform. Its...very difficult to maintain a real democracy when the 1%, and then the top % within that group, control so much $$$ and therefore have crazy amounts of power...

and then many states permanently strip those convicted of Felony offenses of their right to vote, no matter what contributions they make to society post-conviction(s), etc. blah.

 

[Michael74]

I think we needed economic reform. Its...very difficult to maintain a real democracy when the 1%, and then the top % within that group, control so much $$$ and therefore have crazy amounts of power...

Its fine if people have money, as long as they earn it honestly. However, bankers confiscate stuff via currency debasement (dishonest money). That is not right. Lobbyists make Americans pay far more than any other nation on earth for the same meds. That is also not right.

Inequality went to the moon during quantitative easing and such. Bankers confiscated stuff from the majority, then gave the loot to rich hedge fund managers and such.

 

[jasonc]

Simply defiant the govt,it will,solve the lobbyists.

That said unless you,want to make it hard for whereby only the rich will run.

 

[daninthelionsden]

Its fine if people have money, as long as they earn it honestly. However, bankers confiscate stuff via currency debasement (dishonest money). That is not right. Lobbyists make Americans pay far more than any other nation on earth for the same meds. That is also not right.

Inequality went to the moon during quantitative easing and such. Bankers confiscated stuff from the majority, then gave the loot to rich hedge fund managers and such.

I have extremely high blood pressure with no relief and thats with me on 4 meds. Then came along CBD oil and my blood pressure fell out over 50 points. Now their trying to label ALL vapes bad because CBD oil can put pharma outta business.