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Bible Study Walk In The Light

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If I look at the Lord Jesus’ walk on earth, everything He did was to consummate the will of His Father; and He did it. Now what is He thinking of? Not my position before the Father, for that He has accomplished in His work on the Cross. It is my condition here He is thinking of. You may say, but we have to learn our position first; and I answer, yes; of course you cannot be in a condition in keeping with your position without knowing what that position is.

First, I am cleared of everything that stood between me and my Father by the Blood of the Lord Jesus. There is no such thing as the Father imputing sin to me anymore. I admit there is often weakness in the heart as to this, but the fact is He does not impute sin to me any longer. But, says one, I know I do sin. I know you do and will, but you must not lose sight of the fact that your Father says: “Their sins and iniquities will I remember no more” (Jer 31:34).

Then when you do sin, what do you do? I go into the light, and the light finds it all out. I remember it being pointed out to me once in a showroom that silver when placed in a full blaze of light, any tarnish there might have been on it was no longer visible. So, when the soul is brought into the light, all the tarnish upon it is judged, and put away. This is repentance.

Repentance is my putting, by faith, the old man that did the crime* into the same place in which my Father put it in death. I take it out, alas! And repentance is when I put it back again where He has put it. The effect of the light is to make me do this. The light would say, I cannot have this tarnish. The light makes manifest the evil, and having discovered it, it frees me from it*. It brings me, by the Holy Spirit, to confession and cleansing.

I say to a person, have you really got into the presence of your Father about this failure? He says to me, I am afraid to. Then I do not wonder at it; I really do not object to the reluctance, for I know how many souls have not got quite clear as to this experience. But there is not a single thing in the heart of my Father against me. He says, I do not remember them, and therefore “if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1Jhn 1:9).

Where then is the tarnish? Has the Father cleansed me? But you say, I have done them! Yes, He says; and if you come near to Me, I will take care that you shall get rid of them. “Having therefore . . . boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way, which He has consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, His flesh” (Heb 10:19, 20).

Many a saint has not got beyond this: Christ is a shelter for me, and takes care of me. Souls look for their barrel of meal not to waste, and their cruse of oil not to fail. But is that the whole of Christianity? Is it that the Lord Jesus comes and dells with me 365 days – stays with me through every season, and cares for me? I make bold to say it is not. Is it shelter only? No! You are mutilating Christianity if you confine it to this – you are restricting your condition to perpetual childhood. You Father says, I have saved you by My own Son, and now another thing must come in; you are alive by the One who has saved you; My purpose is that you are to be conformed to His image.

- J B Stoney


Poster’s Opinion:
* “the old man that did the crime”: Paul wrote that when he sinned it was not he in the new nature that sinned but the old nature “that does it.” “It is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me” (Rom 7:17, 20). The words “it is no longer I” makes a distinction that he is no longer considered “in the flesh” (8:9) e.g. he is not his sin nature but now he is his new nature.

The sin nature is in him but he is not in it but rather in Christ by the Spirit! Though God continues to deal with us and our sins in an instructive manner (never in punishment even though it may seem so), the sin nature and its sins no longer have anything to do with our fellowship with God because we have been separated from them in our new nature via the Cross. The Blood for the sin (1Jhn 1:7) and the Cross for the sin nature (Rom 6:12, 14)!

Of course, there is an important significance in understanding the difference between the sins of a believer and an unbeliever (which is highly difficult to explain by any means), which IMO has to do with God’s internal “work” (Phl 2:13), in that not only are the believer’s sins at a lower degree of decadence and with a progressively lessoning frequency, they are not habitually continued, e.g. they are not willfully committed.

* “having discovered it, it frees me from it”: this “freedom” is not in reference to our freedom from sin’s guilt, which all believers have, but from its “rule” and “dominion” which may still have an effect of the minds (unclear conscience) of those weak in the faith, due to a lack of understanding all that salvation provides.


Miles J Stanford devotional: http://www.abideabove.com/hungry-heart/
 
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Very good Chaplain, very informative. We need these kinds of threads to cause us to remember what really is happening when we sin. So many folk walk around with their past sins on their shoulders, wearing them down. They haven't learned the process of confession and repentance that our loving God has instituted so that sin is placed by the Father in a place of non-existence.

One major cause of depression among Christians is not letting go of their sins thru confession. Day by day, the depressed Christian goes about their normal routine without care to whether or not they sinned that day. Depression focuses on self and how miserable they feel. Unconfessed sin, according to your thread Chaplain, should be studied several times by a depressed Christian, and they can be set free.
 
Very good Chaplain, very informative. We need these kinds of threads to cause us to remember what really is happening when we sin. So many folk walk around with their past sins on their shoulders, wearing them down. They haven't learned the process of confession and repentance that our loving God has instituted so that sin is placed by the Father in a place of non-existence.

One major cause of depression among Christians is not letting go of their sins thru confession. Day by day, the depressed Christian goes about their normal routine without care to whether or not they sinned that day. Depression focuses on self and how miserable they feel. Unconfessed sin, according to your thread Chaplain, should be studied several times by a depressed Christian, and they can be set free.

The statements in red have always been my assertion. In order to received forgiveness sin must be confessed.
Thanks Chaplain for posting.
 
Very good Chaplain, very informative. We need these kinds of threads to cause us to remember what really is happening when we sin. So many folk walk around with their past sins on their shoulders, wearing them down. They haven't learned the process of confession and repentance that our loving God has instituted so that sin is placed by the Father in a place of non-existence.

One major cause of depression among Christians is not letting go of their sins thru confession. Day by day, the depressed Christian goes about their normal routine without care to whether or not they sinned that day. Depression focuses on self and how miserable they feel. Unconfessed sin, according to your thread Chaplain, should be studied several times by a depressed Christian, and they can be set free.
I believe forgiveness for all our sins is received upon rebirth, which comes from having faith in the Blood of Christ (Eph 1:7; Col 1:14) in His expiation for the our sins. This means confession and repentance follow salvation but they do not effect it.

I've found Gill to well explain about confession in 1 John 1:9: "He is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins": forgiveness of sin here intends not the act of forgiveness, as in God, proceeding upon the bloodshed and sacrifice of Christ, which has been done at once, and includes all sin, past, present, and to come; but an application of pardoning grace to a poor sensible sinner, humbled under a sense of sin, and confessing it before the Lord.

"Confession of sin is not the cause or condition of pardon, nor of the manifestation of it, but is descriptive of the person, and points him out, to whom God will and does make known his forgiving love; for to whomsoever he grants repentance, he gives the remission of sin; in doing of which he is faithful to his word of promise, such as in Proverbs 28:13; "and just"; in being "true" . . . more at link below.

http://www.christianity.com/bible/commentary.php?com=gill&b=62&c=1
 
The statements in red have always been my assertion. In order to received forgiveness sin must be confessed.
Thanks Chaplain for posting.
Hi Abide, and thanks for your reply!!

God bless!
 
It always saddens me when we see God presented as a two timer, double dealing matters of "sin" for the believer compared to the sins of others.

If we understand, as scriptures propose, that sin is of the devil, 1 John 3:8, there is no need to two time and double deal. We will see the unsaved sitting in the same seat we sat in prior to belief, from Eph. 2:2. We will see them as "captives," held so by the prince of the power of the air, the spirit of disobedience. And ever ever ever seek to divide them from that working that is not them. Ever. We are in this granted the basis to love those captives, and simultaneously CONDEMN their captor. Just as we would condemn that captivity in our own flesh.

Isaiah 13:9
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

We can take the above to the Spiritual Bank.

I have great hope in our Maker, to perform the above. Why? Because I too seek to ditch the evil present with me, and the sin that dwells in my own sorry hide. Nevertheless these workings brought me some Divine treasures. Honesty. And the Hope in His Eternal Mercy in Christ.

I expect the "division" to be painful.

1 Corinthians 1:29
That no flesh should glory in his presence.

And yes, that includes our own.

 
It always saddens me when we see God presented as a two timer, double dealing matters of "sin" for the believer compared to the sins of others.
Hi Smaller - Always appreciate your input, but for me to reply here, I would need more clarification on what you are attempting to share about "double-dealing."

Thanks and God bless!
 
Hi Smaller - Always appreciate your input, but for me to reply here, I would need more clarification on what you are attempting to share about "double-dealing."

Thanks and God bless!

I speak to this claim which your article cited:

"Of course, there is an important significance in understanding the difference between the sins of a believer and an unbeliever (which is highly difficult to explain by any means)"

It's not difficult to explain. It is IMPOSSIBLE.

There is no difference. All sin indwelling the flesh, all "evil present" with us is quite equally CONDEMNED by God in Christ. There is no escaping this conclusion for a believer.

Romans 3:9
What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

This is across the board, EQUAL CONDEMNATION to all sin indwelling the flesh, and all evil, which IS present in ALL.

Romans 8:
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

No one is escaping this conclusion, period.

The moment we "justify" sin indwelling our own flesh, the moment we "justify" the evil present with us, the moment we make God in Christ a double dealer of our sin/evil present, we fall immediately into hypocrisy.
And when we say, even for a nanosecond, that the condition of our flesh is not so, we are liars.

When believers fall into this trap, God is in fact HARDENING those things in believers, turning them headlong into this kind of religious person. The kind that is not justified whatsoever, and that God WILL NOT HEAR:

Luke 18:
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

The above is the claim of a common religious lying hypocrite. The very works that Jesus hated the MOST, because that LIE transpired in those who are supposed to know better and be HONEST.

I personally detest lying religious cloth. It is putrid to observe. Sickening.
 
I believe forgiveness for all our sins is received upon rebirth, which comes from having faith in the Blood of Christ (Eph 1:7; Col 1:14) in His expiation for the our sins. This means confession and repentance follow salvation but they do not effect it.

I've found Gill to well explain about confession in 1 John 1:9: "He is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins": forgiveness of sin here intends not the act of forgiveness, as in God, proceeding upon the bloodshed and sacrifice of Christ, which has been done at once, and includes all sin, past, present, and to come; but an application of pardoning grace to a poor sensible sinner, humbled under a sense of sin, and confessing it before the Lord.

"Confession of sin is not the cause or condition of pardon, nor of the manifestation of it, but is descriptive of the person, and points him out, to whom God will and does make known his forgiving love; for to whomsoever he grants repentance, he gives the remission of sin; in doing of which he is faithful to his word of promise, such as in Proverbs 28:13; "and just"; in being "true" . . . more at link below.

http://www.christianity.com/bible/commentary.php?com=gill&b=62&c=1

Thanks again for your post. I am a follower of the writings of John Gill. Those old holy writers have wonderful truth to pass on.
 
I speak to this claim which your article cited:

"Of course, there is an important significance in understanding the difference between the sins of a believer and an unbeliever (which is highly difficult to explain by any means)"

It's not difficult to explain. It is IMPOSSIBLE.

There is no difference. All sin indwelling the flesh, all "evil present" with us is quite equally CONDEMNED by God in Christ. There is no escaping this conclusion for a believer.
I see, and thanks for the information. Also considering that this subject is not discussed much it's easy to understand any misconceptions concerning the intention and meaning of one presenting it, which is at best awkward. I was hesitant to include that third paragraph at the bottom but decided to attempt to be as open in my understanding as possible, and is also why I stated the difficulty in doing so.

My intention concerning "the difference between the sins of a believer and an unbeliever" is not related to the condemnation of sin, which I agree that all sin is equally worthy of condemnation, but to the fact that those who are reborn will not be evidenced by the same sins as those who are not reborn, due to as I mentioned, the "work" of the Father (Phl 2:13).

It may be something I should not have included due to its possible misunderstanding, but I will try to find a clearer explanation for it if necessary, and thanks for sharing with me your misunderstanding.

God bless!
 
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Thanks again for your post. I am a follower of the writings of John Gill. Those old holy writers have wonderful truth to pass on.
Yes, I believe there was a past era (primarily circa 1700-1800's) when God used many certain Christian Theologians in special ways of teaching His Word, and of all the materials I've gathered from them so far, I've been studying them for 12 years now, and I still learn more from them every time I share them, because they usually contain a certain amount of Scripture to maintain parallelism with its truths.
 
Paul gloried in his weaknesses and infirmities, knowing that the Grace and Mercy of God in Christ comes to such.

He crawled to the bottom of the pile of sinners, precisely for that reason. 1 Tim. 1:15.

Though, were we to view this matter only externally, I'm certain Paul was an absolute Saint. But Paul looked on the inside, and saw evil present for what it is, and on that bed he laid himself in weakness and infirmities precisely for reception of GODS MERCY.

I love Paul's brutal honesty. It refreshes me to hear men of God speak the TRUTH.
 
Paul gloried in his weaknesses and infirmities, knowing that the Grace and Mercy of God in Christ comes to such.

He crawled to the bottom of the pile of sinners, precisely for that reason. 1 Tim. 1:15.

Though, were we to view this matter only externally, I'm certain Paul was an absolute Saint. But Paul looked on the inside, and saw evil present for what it is, and on that bed he laid himself in weakness and infirmities precisely for reception of GODS MERCY.

I love Paul's brutal honesty. It refreshes me to hear men of God speak the TRUTH.
It seems we are not understanding each other because I don't see how this post relates to what I've been trying to share with you, unless we may be discussing separate subjects.
 
The Christian life is not our living a life like Christ, or our trying to be Christ-like, nor is it Christ giving us the power to live a life like His; but it is Christ Himself living His own life through us; 'no longer I, but Christ.'" -MJS

Netchaplain
This is the very thing that is absent in the self willed church. Man justifying himself before God by his own works and deeds, trying to be like Christ as if though, making his own decisions that justify how the Lord should receive man by the things he has done. But the judgement of the saved man is not if he is still saved, but his position in the Kingdom as to his obedience to the will of the inner Spirit of Christ. Very few walk in fellowship with Christ, but walk as if though they have been given the right to take over for Christ!
 
Hi DS - Thanks for your reply and input. I agree with your analysis, that there is much lack of understanding concerning accurate discernment between man's will and God's, but we can be sure that He will all who are His into right understanding through His Word and by His Spirit. I like how you indicated that this is not an issue being saved but of maturity in Christ ("position in the Kingdom as to his obedience ").

God bless!
 
Aaaah. There we are. I wondered if I was in the correct forum. Things seem to have changed so much .....and wondrously so. But, when I see the old steady rock....netchaplain.....then I know I'm in the right place. Always good solid posts not veering to the left or to the right but straight to our Lord. Thank you for all the posts over the years and I look forward to many many more.
 
Aaaah. There we are. I wondered if I was in the correct forum. Things seem to have changed so much .....and wondrously so. But, when I see the old steady rock....netchaplain.....then I know I'm in the right place. Always good solid posts not veering to the left or to the right but straight to our Lord. Thank you for all the posts over the years and I look forward to many many more.
Good to see you here Brother and thanks for the compliments!

God bless!
 
Aaaah. There we are. I wondered if I was in the correct forum. Things seem to have changed so much .....and wondrously so. But, when I see the old steady rock....netchaplain.....then I know I'm in the right place. Always good solid posts not veering to the left or to the right but straight to our Lord. Thank you for all the posts over the years and I look forward to many many more.

I agree Dan. The Chaplain certainly is a ray of Son-shine in our Forum, as well as a rock of spiritual truth. I welcome you into our great family of lovers of the Son of God, and this theological playground. Have fun posting and learning from those who love the Word of God.
 
It seems we are not understanding each other because I don't see how this post relates to what I've been trying to share with you, unless we may be discussing separate subjects.

Walking in the Light does entail certain steps.

Psalm 18:28
For thou wilt light my candle: the Lord my God will enlighten my darkness.

Ephesians 5:13
But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

Psalm 112:4
Unto the upright there ariseth light in the darkness: he is gracious, and full of compassion, and righteous.

Isaiah 42:16
And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

Micah 7:8
Rejoice not against me, O mine enemy: when I fall, I shall arise; when I sit in darkness, the Lord shall be a light unto me.

Do we have works of darkness to cast off? Assuredly, this is so:

Romans 13:12
The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

What is this armor, this light?

13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day;

Do we stand in His Light, claiming no darkness?


NOT honest. Not honest a'tall.

This is THE LIGHT that shines on us:

1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

Honesty demands "exposure."


Some simple "light" lessons.

2 Corinthians 4:6
For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

When any man says I have only the Light of Christ, I say, show me your darkness, that I may test your claims by The light of honesty.

It is there, that the darkness brings it's test, to light, to prove such.

There is not one, without the other.


 
It is so, brother but it appears that a little less than two percent are trying to follow God. The rest want to change God.
 
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