Bible Study Walking The Line In Heaven

[Webers_Home]

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Getting into heaven is only half the battle; and actually the easy part. The real challenge is staying. Naturally people would be on their best behavior at first; but what's to keep them that way? and what's to prevent them from being evicted? because if the wages of sin on earth is death (Rom 6:23) then the wages of sin in heaven can't be any different.

†. Jer 13:23 . . Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard his spots? Then you also can do good who are accustomed to doing evil.

When I was a young man; thoughts like Jer 13:23 often crossed my mind; even before I read the Bible one time for myself. I figured: okay, if today I reform and become a God-fearing man, and will-powered myself into keeping all the commandments; and somehow managed to make it to heaven; I seriously doubt I could keep it up for eternity— maybe for the rest of my life; but certainly not forever. It would only be a matter of time before I fell off the wagon and showed my true colors. No: one look at the Lord's beatitudes as per Mtt 5:3-10 and I knew I was toast because the Bible's God isn't interested in one's behavior nearly as much as He's interested in one's personality.

Can the Etheopian change the color of his skin or the leopard remove his spots? Answer: No. So then what's to become of rank and file pew warmers when it's in their nature to be contrary to the Lord's beatitudes?

†. Isa 66:23-24 . . All humanity will come to worship me from week to week and from month to month. And as they go out, they will see the corpses of those who have rebelled against me. For the worms that devour them will never die, and the fire that burns them will never go out. All who pass by will view them with utter horror.

Cliff
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[Webers_Home]

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I get interesting reactions to the question posed in post #1. Below are two of my favorites

Reaction: As for "walking the line" in heaven, I don't worry about it. I just get on with doing what Our Lord asked me (and the rest of us) to do here on earth. You know, that stuff about feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the prisoner, comforting the sick and so on.

Response: It's foolish to be so shortsighted.

†. Prv 22:3 . . A prudent person foresees the danger ahead and takes precautions; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences.

I don't know; maybe you're comfortable with pushing your luck and/or tempting fate. But seriously; you need to stop taking chances and start thinking about your future. Feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the prisoner, comforting the sick and so on are all fine and dandy; but what about your personality? Can you honestly say that the Lord's beatitudes as per Mtt 5:3-10 describe you to a tee? No? Well; what's to be done about that?

So then if you were allowed into heaven now, as the person you are now, how long do you honestly think you'd last before your personality forced God to evict you?

Reaction: I'd suggest that you get more involved in building the kingdom of God on earth than worrying about surviving in heaven.

Response: Obviously you haven't been getting your information from the book of Daniel or from the book of Revelation. Had you been doing so you would have discovered that the only kingdom that's going to succeed in being built on earth prior to the Lord's return is that of the beast and the false prophet. Since that's the case, it would be far better for you to focus your energies on the Lord's mandate.

†. Mtt 28:19-20 . . Go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.

†. Mrk 16:15-16 . . Go into all the world and preach the gospel to everyone, everywhere. Whoever believes and is baptized will be spared, but whoever disbelieves will be damned.

The Lord will tend to constructing his kingdom when he gets back; meanwhile his servants should be out and about recruiting people to become kingdom citizens before it's too late and the lost pass on as permanent aliens. Yes; advance seating is available.

†. Col 1:12-14 . . He has rescued us from the power of darkness; and conveyed us into the kingdom of the son that He loves.

Cliff
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[Davies]

Hi Webers_Home, or do you like Cliff instead?

The reason we won't have to worry about staying in heaven is because we will be changed. I thought of 1 Corinthians 15. We shall put on incorruption and immortality.

- Davies

1 Corinthians 15:50-55
New King James Version (NKJV)
Our Final Victory


50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.â€[a]
55 “ O Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?â€[c]

 

[Webers_Home]

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Davies, hello;

Hi Webers_Home, or do you like Cliff instead?

Either one is okay; but please never call me Cliffy.

Believe it or not I've actually been called that demeaning label by people claiming to be Christians even when I've courteously asked them not to. Now those kinds of Christians are a case in point. How do they expect to last very long in heaven's peace-loving society with that kind of an attitude?

The reason we won't have to worry about staying in heaven is because we will be changed. I thought of 1 Corinthians 15. We shall put on incorruption and immortality.

The words "incorruption and immortality" describe a super-human body that neither ages, contracts disease, nor dies. I'm curious to know how that would make a difference in one's personality.

Cliff
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[Davies]

The words "incorruption and immortality" describe a super-human body that neither ages, contracts disease, nor dies. I'm curious to know how that would make a difference in one's personality.

Hi Cliff,

That makes two of us. The idea of being without sin after having spent all of our existence with it will be very liberating, or really beyond description. I'm looking forward to it.

- Davies

 

[Webers_Home]

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Well; I thought for sure somebody by now would have introduced the second birth about which the Lord spoke to Nicodemus.

†. John 3:3 . . Jesus answered and said to him: Assuredly I say to you; unless one is born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Why is a birth from above so necessary? Because as it is; we are all born of the earth; and that means though we were all born suitable for Adam's kingdom; none of us were born suitable for God's because His is a kingdom of The Spirit rather than a kingdom of the flesh.

†. John 3:6 . .That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of The Spirit is spirit.

In the Bible, the "flesh" represents two different aspects of existence. One aspect is that of organic tissues; and the other aspect is that of human nature. So then, nobody will see the kingdom of God in a normal human body, nor will they see the kingdom of God with normal human nature. I think that's pretty much a given because if people were allowed into the kingdom of God with normal human nature; it would only be a matter of time before God's kingdom would become the hell that the current earth is now. Personally I do not see any advantage in leaving one hell only to take up residence in another.

So then; what is the second birth really about? Well though a new, supernatural body is part of the package; it's primarily about escaping human nature and obtaining the nature of God: a nature that not only doesn't sin; but cannot sin.

†. Jas 1:13 . . God cannot be tempted with evil

†. 1John 3:9 . .Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

BTW: a birth from above isn't optional; no, it's a must.

†. John 3:8 . . Do not be perplexed at my statement that you must be born again.

Well; I'm certainly not perplexed; it makes perfect sense— in point of fact: I think it's a great idea because I hate human nature and seriously want to be completely free of not only it, but also free of people who have it; and I will.

†. 2Pet 1:4 . . He has given us His very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

I should think that walking the line in heaven would be a piece of cake for people with the nature of God— I mean, after all: doesn't God behave like God without even thinking about it?

Cliff
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[Webers_Home]

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Below is a very common misconception about walking the line in heaven.

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According to Php 3:21 there will be no more sin in our body.
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In other words: instead of blaming the Devil for making them do it; it's okay for Christians to blame their body for making them do it? (chuckle) Following that logic to its inevitable conclusion suggests that people in hell are now 100% sinless because their bodies stayed here when they crossed over to the other side. It also suggests that one's body is one's total being.

It only stands to reason that upgrading to a glorious human body as per Php 3:21 would be a total waste of motion if the very same man were to be stuffed back inside it. All you'd have then is a man who cannot get old, or sick, or die; but still a sinner. In other words: it is utterly futile to install a man inside an improved body without first improving the man himself; because according to the Bible's Christ, it isn't so much a man's body that produces his evil actions; but rather, it's a man's heart. (Mtt 12:34-35, Mtt 15:18-20)

Cliff
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[phantom309]

Hey Weber,
Im also inclined to believe that this wont be a concern at all.

The verses listed above to support your concern all deal with life here as we know it,and as far as Ive seen the bible never suggests that we risk risk a heavenly eviction so to speak.

The question concerning the John 3:3 reference is speaking about us being born again,but perhaps not as literally as you might be applying it.When we become christians by following the steps as outlined in the bible we are considered born again,a new creature before God.The birth from above is the spiritual rebirth we experience in the process.

In Romans 6 we can see this outlined a bit more clearly when it speaks about baptism.When we are baptized we are buried with Christ into His death,so that as He rose again,so may we in newness of life..paraphrased a bit of course.

Simply put prior to taking on our new role as christians we are unclean sinners,and destined for eternal punishment,better known as hell.When we make the conscious decision to follow Christ and live as God would have us,we are pardoned from the things we did wrong,considered clean and fit to join Him for eternity in heaven through the sacrifice provided by Jesus..which is why the bible tells us that the Jesus is the way,thruth,etc and no man will see heaven without acknowledging Him and following Him.

It is possible to read into the bible and overcomplicate things,and I humbly suggest that this may be the case here.When the bible tells us that we go to heaven by making the right decisions,I think we can only muddy the waters and make things harder for ourselves by second-guessing the promises within.

I also have difficulty understanding the rationale that because our bodies are left here that those in hell are sinless due to some paradox of being in two places at once.The body is simply a shell,and the soul is force behind the gears.The soul is what is judged,not the body.So what we have in the end is a new body as you mentioned..no death,disease,gangrene or gout..with a clean soul at the controls.If this werent the case there would be no justification for the heaven/hell reward and punishment system.

The bible is pretty clear on the possible paths of our choosing.Accept/reject God..heaven or hell..we only have ourselves to blame if things go south,and only God to thank if we arrive topside.

 

[Webers_Home]

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I also have difficulty understanding the rationale that because our bodies are left here that those in hell are sinless due to some paradox of being in two places at once.

You might be surprised at the number of Christians who honestly believe that their personality is wholly the product of the 3-pound lump of nervous tissue housed within their bony little skulls. There is some scientific basis for that belief.

Some years ago; I read an article in an issue of National Geographic about the mind. This lady was in a car wreck that left her in a coma. When she came out of it; everything about her was different. Her taste in fashions was different, her favorite color was different, her favorite foods were different, her favorite recreation was different, the way she did her hair, her favorite television shows: I mean everything that defined her was gone, even the way she related to her family. She was no longer the woman her husband married, and her kids could not recognize her as their mom because she acted so differently around them and towards them; and of course they were all total strangers to her.

I was very disturbed by that article because I realized that something as simple as a bump on the head would make the me that I know disappear and be replaced by a me about whom I have no clue; and the previous me wouldn't even be a memory.

That's when I realized that the me with whom I am now familiar isn't chipped in stone; no, it's an organic me produced by my body's brain. So I began to wonder just who the real me really is.

Well, the scary part is: God can see the real me; and what He sees is very ugly.

†. Jer 17:9 . .The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

The "heart" of man is his real self: the non-organic self that his organic self never really sees; but God sees it and has not one good thing to say about it. Very early in my Xtian experience, a preacher once told me that if we could see our real selves as God sees us; we would shrink back in disgust and horror.

The second birth about which the Lord spoke in John 3:3-8 addresses this problem of the evil non organic me with whom I am not all that familiar. And that brings us back to the question: Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard his spots? The answer is of course is NO; hence the necessity of a second birth— it's the only way to escape our real selves: the non organic selves that God can see but that we cannot see. We can only see the selves that our brain produces. Our real selves are a whole other person for which hell's penal colony is the only suitable society.

Cliff
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[Adullam]

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Getting into heaven is only half the battle; and actually the easy part. The real challenge is staying. Naturally people would be on their best behavior at first; but what's to keep them that way? and what's to prevent them from being evicted? because if the wages of sin on earth is death (Rom 6:23) then the wages of sin in heaven can't be any different.

†. Jer 13:23 . . Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard his spots? Then you also can do good who are accustomed to doing evil.

When I was a young man; thoughts like Jer 13:23 often crossed my mind; even before I read the Bible one time for myself. I figured: okay, if today I reform and become a God-fearing man, and will-powered myself into keeping all the commandments; and somehow managed to make it to heaven; I seriously doubt I could keep it up for eternity— maybe for the rest of my life; but certainly not forever. It would only be a matter of time before I fell off the wagon and showed my true colors. No: one look at the Lord's beatitudes as per Mtt 5:3-10 and I knew I was toast because the Bible's God isn't interested in one's behavior nearly as much as He's interested in one's personality.

Can the Etheopian change the color of his skin or the leopard remove his spots? Answer: No. So then what's to become of rank and file pew warmers when it's in their nature to be contrary to the Lord's beatitudes?

†. Isa 66:23-24 . . All humanity will come to worship me from week to week and from month to month. And as they go out, they will see the corpses of those who have rebelled against me. For the worms that devour them will never die, and the fire that burns them will never go out. All who pass by will view them with utter horror.

Cliff
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Good post. In a great house there are both vessels of honour and dishonour.

2Ti 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
2Ti 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

 

[phantom309]

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That's when I realized that the me with whom I am now familiar isn't chipped in stone; no, it's an organic me produced by my body's brain. So I began to wonder just who the real me really is.
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I can partially see where youre coming from but were not looking at a few critical things.

Body and soul,until death,are in a limited way tethered together.Therefore,damage to the body can be done which can alter a persons personality.We see cases of this all the time.This does not however mean that were all doomed to hell or that we can never change because again the bible says the direct opposite.

Supporting evidence for this can be found in near death experiences.The vast majority of the time there is a common denominator in these experiences,which is the persons apparent ability to note everything going around them after the moment of clinical death.Most of the describe being above or around their body but can tell you in detail exactly what occurred in those moments before they were resuscitated.They describe in-depth conversations that took place between rescue workers,ER staff,etc.They recall seeing various events around them,etc.

If our soul is truly and irrevocably tied to this 3lb lump of flesh as you described it,how then were events recalled after that lump is totally and clinically inoperational?There should be no possibility,particularly when some of these people were down for upwards of 20 minutes.Which states that the body is limited to things the soul can surpass.We are tied to this shell,but only until death.

Stepping back to a more common look at things..again,if we truly could not change as you suggest why would the bible call us to repentance?This in effect renders Jesus' sacrifice on the cross null and void..an event which I daresay God would not have wasted years of prophecy and endured such physical pain for if it were in vain.At that point we all may as well just live as want..cussin,drinkin,smoking crack,beating our wives,whoring around,etc.There would be no point in the moral life as described by the bible.Not to mention it isnt we who by change our nature of our own to live up to Gods standards..it is a cleansing we will receive by the blood of Christ,and this negates anything which may be lingering in our soul.Revelations plainly describes people who do make the cut and are accepted into heaven.

The last Ill share on the topic is not an attack,so if you would take it at face value.

Considering the potential implications of such a topic,I would again suggest that you take the bible more at face value minus the personal interjection.If we scoured the bible Im 100% confident that we could find multiple such subjects that we could deconstruct and twist around to mean something entirely different than intended.The question is,why?The bible was written plainly and clearly for a reason.Again,there are times which we are forced to read between the lines,but I dont see it necessary to force a reading between the lines where its not necessary.

I would also hate to see someone else be mislead by unneccessary interjection,and I do believe that to a degree we will all be held accountable for the talks we had with people,be they good or bad.When we stick closer to the bible its a win-win all around.Deviating from it to pursue our own directives is where confusion occurs and dissent arises.What weve debated here is plainly against scriptural promises and contrary to many other topics in the bible.

Thats all I can offer on the subject,cya in the next one man.

 

[Webers_Home]

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I once heard a preacher spin a rather realistic yarn about a bus load of hades' inmates who were issued a free permit for 30 days of R&R in the Bible's heaven. They all came back the very first night because the Bible's heaven was much too oppressive and much too invasive. There was no democracy, no right to privacy, no freedom of speech, no freedom of the press, no freedom to dissent, no right to either march or occupy, no political activism, no caucuses, no separation of church and state, no freedom of religion: everybody had to go to the same church and sing the same hymns; plus: heaven's etiquette— its dress code, its morals, its rules of conduct, and its civility —were way too strict. Especially unacceptable was the mandatory self control everyone had to exercise in their choice of words to avoid chafing people and/or hurting their feelings.

In other words: heaven's utopian society, coupled with its 24/7 Big Brother oversight, was just simply too much to ask in exchange for some time off. In their opinion the Bible's heaven is very disagreeable. At least in the Bible's hell, nobody has to watch their language, be nice, be courteous, be reasonable, and/or keep a civil tongue in their head. You can be your own role model in hell; while in heaven, everyone has to emulate Christ.

The point of the pastor's tale is that the Bible's heaven is a place prepared for a prepared people. In other words: people who fail to undergo a second birth as per John 3:3-8 would probably not like heaven very much. In point of fact, it's highly likely it would only be a matter of time before non second-birth people chafed under God's oversight and mounted a civil war. Compare Rev 20:6-9 where, after a full 1,000 years of unprecedented peace, prosperity, longevity, and excellent health, a number of the kingdom's residents will do exactly that.

Cliff
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[thethinkingrebel]

Well, by adding hell you are adding man made doctrines into the fold. Yes our flesh make us desire sin, satan tempts us. We are under constant barrage daily to commit sin. In our new bodies, uncorrupted, and with satan dead, we will be free to pursue life in full unadulterated relationship with God. There will be no temptation to commit sin, there will be no murder as there will be no death, no adultery as there will be no marriage etc etc. not only will we be different, on this new earth our circumstances will also be different, God will be revealed and we will know him.

 

[phantom309]

Well, by adding hell you are adding man made doctrines into the fold.

Just for clarity,are you saying that hell is a man-made myth?Just curious..if so you may want to read the parts of the bible that verify this concept of eternal punishment.

 

[thethinkingrebel]

Indeed I am sir. It's quite evident that Hell is man made. I mean for instance the concepts of an immortal soul can be traced right back to Ancient Greece, Paul argued against this in corinthians, as the corinthians were hellenists who did not believe in a resurrection of the dead [no need to, as they believe in an immortal soul]. Hell is in fact a Norse word, should not be in our bibles!! Gehenna is the correct term in the gospels. Sheol in the old testament [place of the dead], Hades in the New testament. THERE IS THREE DIFFERENT WORDS, ALL COVERED IN THE KJV WITH HELL!

Hell is not in the bible, only in our translations.

anyway:

Hebrews 10:27: Fiery indignation will devour the adversaries.
Philippians 3:19: Their end is destruction.
John 3:16: “Whoever believes in Him should not perish,” implying that unbelievers will perish.
Ezekiel 18:4: The soul who sins shall die.
Malachi 4:1-3: The wicked shall be burned up, leaving neither root nor branch — only ashes under foot.
Psalm 1:4: The wicked are blown away like chaff.
Proverbs 10:25: The wicked are no more.
Psalm 37:22, 28, 34, 38: The wicked shall be cut off.
Psalm 37:20: “The wicked shall perish . . . into smoke they shall vanish away.”
Psalm 37:36: The wicked cannot be found.
Job 11:20: The wicked “shall not escape, and their hope — loss of life!”
Romans 6:23: “The wages of sin is death.”
Job 31:3: "Is not destruction to the wicked? and a strange punishment to the workers of iniquity?"

Job 31:12: "For it [is] a fire [that] consumeth to destruction, and would root out all my increase."
Phillipians 3:19: "Their end is destruction; their god is their stomach; their glory is in their shame. They are focused on earthly things,"
2 Thessalonians 1:9: These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction from the Lord’s presence and from His glorious strength
2 Peter 2:1: But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, and will bring swift destruction on themselves.
2 Peter 2:3: They will exploit you in their greed with deceptive words. Their condemnation, pronounced long ago, is not idle, and their destruction does not sleep.


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2 Peter 3:7: But by the same word, the present heavens and earth are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and DESTRUCTION of ungodly men.

These are probably not the best verses there are, I found these online. I would however recommend getting "the fire that consumes" by Edward Fudge, as well as watching videos supporting conditionalism online.

Do not just scoff at what I am saying but research it for yourself!!

"A simple man believes everything, but the prudent man carefully considers his ways." Proverbs 14:15

 

[phantom309]

[/QUOTE]Do not just scoff at what I am saying but research it for yourself![/QUOTE]

Interesting,I havent scoffed at anything yet,but merely asked a question.After having received the answer,Ill simply state the fact that I disagree..because I have researched it.

The verses you posted should be enough,they do heavily infer a place of ultimate punishment for those not found in the book of life as mentioned in Revelation,which also references a final day in which all not found in the book will be cast into the lake of fire.

It also just seems logical that since there is place of reward for those in Christ,that likewise there should be a place of punishment for those who refused to obey Gods will.If not,there would be no incentive to be good,and would not be fair to those who chose to obey.

If you choose to follow Christ,none of this will matter anyway.I just wouldnt want to find out the hard way what awaits should one reject God.

 

[thethinkingrebel]

Do not just scoff at what I am saying but research it for yourself![/QUOTE]

Interesting,I havent scoffed at anything yet,but merely asked a question.After having received the answer,Ill simply state the fact that I disagree..because I have researched it.

The verses you posted should be enough,they do heavily infer a place of ultimate punishment for those not found in the book of life as mentioned in Revelation,which also references a final day in which all not found in the book will be cast into the lake of fire.

It also just seems logical that since there is place of reward for those in Christ,that likewise there should be a place of punishment for those who refused to obey Gods will.If not,there would be no incentive to be good,and would not be fair to those who chose to obey.

If you choose to follow Christ,none of this will matter anyway.I just wouldnt want to find out the hard way what awaits should one reject God.[/QUOTE]

I am not a universalist. I believe in eternal punishment. I simply take destruction to mean destruction!

Anyway, I wasnt implying that you were scoffing, I was trying to stop the reader from doing so before he did it.

 

[thethinkingrebel]

Do not just scoff at what I am saying but research it for yourself![/QUOTE]

Interesting,I havent scoffed at anything yet,but merely asked a question.After having received the answer,Ill simply state the fact that I disagree..because I have researched it.

The verses you posted should be enough,they do heavily infer a place of ultimate punishment for those not found in the book of life as mentioned in Revelation,which also references a final day in which all not found in the book will be cast into the lake of fire.

It also just seems logical that since there is place of reward for those in Christ,that likewise there should be a place of punishment for those who refused to obey Gods will.If not,there would be no incentive to be good,and would not be fair to those who chose to obey.

If you choose to follow Christ,none of this will matter anyway.I just wouldnt want to find out the hard way what awaits should one reject God.[/QUOTE]

I am not a universalist. I believe in eternal punishment. I simply take destruction to mean destruction!

Anyway, I wasnt implying that you were scoffing, I was trying to stop the reader from doing so before he did it.

 

[Webers_Home]

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FAQ : Will born-again Christians continue to sin and confess their sins while residents of the new city of Jerusalem and/or will they continue to sin and confess their sins while residents of the new earth?

Answer : No; and the reason for that is very simple.

†. 1John 3:9 . .Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

In other words; when I finally get around to leaving this planet; my old sinful self won't accompany my new sinless self into the next life.

†. Col 2:11 . . In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ

†. 2Cor 5:17 . . If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature

When I look at my body in a full-length mirror and/or listen to some of the thoughts going through my head; I neither see nor hear a "new" creature; but rather, a replica of Adam. He may have been a new creature in his own day; but certainly not in mine. So then; what 2Cor 5:17 is telling me is that I now exist as two creatures: a self born of Adam; and a self born of God.

FAQ : How is it possible for one man to exist with two identities both at the same time: a self born of Adam, and a self born of God?

Answer : Easy. The second birth about which the Lord spoke at John 3:3-8 is supernatural.

†. John 3:6 . .That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of The Spirit is spirit.

The natural human body is capable of containing a pretty large number of spirits all that the same time. (cf. Luke 8:30)

FAQ : What about un-confessed sins? When the Lord's people die, do those un-confessed sins follow them to heaven?

Answer : Un-confessed sins do not follow the Lord's people to heaven and the reason is very simple. It was their corruptible identity born of Adam via their first birth that committed those sins; not their incorruptible identity born of God via a second birth— an identity that not only doesn't sin; but cannot sin. Since their corruptible identity doesn't remain attached to the Lord's people when they leave the earth; then there is nothing about them that needs forgiveness when they get to heaven because they arrive there with an identity that has never committed a sin even once in its entire life.

Cliff
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[Davies]

Since their corruptible identity doesn't remain attached to the Lord's people when they leave the earth; then there is nothing about them that needs forgiveness when they get to heaven because they arrive there with an identity that has never committed a sin even once in its entire life.

Hi Cliff,

I think it's good to remember that we not only go to heaven because we have no sin, but also, we have the righteousness of Jesus on our account. Now that is something to think about. I think of being examined in a human court and coming under the scrutiny of others for things I've done wrong, and who wouldn't be embarrassed? Now, multiply that infinitely with standing before God, and then to the greatest relief, God welcomes you in because of the righteousness that has been given to you. God is more than great!

- Davies