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Was Jesus omniscient?
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handy
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I agree that Jesus was omniscient, however I do believe that there are some things (really I can only think of one) that the Father knows, that the Son does not. I don't think this is a limitation of Jesus' power or divinity, but rather a difference in the roles of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
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Elijah674
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Christ was the Second Adam. So No to my thinking on the question. I believe that as Adam He limited Himself to Salvation as man. In other words the power & knowledge that He used all came from God. I am not saying that the God/Christ did not have God Knowledge, but that He could not use that and be tempted in all points as man.
And omnipresent?? No to that also. In the O.T. we had the Sanctuary with God/Christ of the Godhead present in and above the Sanctuaries Most Holy Place. They (the Godhead) gave Earth to Adam for dominance. Satan took EARTH away from Adam. Christ in the OT USED HIS OWN GODLY POWER in all of the miracles wrought as 'i' see it. And in the N.T. the Holy Spirit was sent back to present CHRIST Omnipresent. (He did not testify of Himself) And when Christ was here on earth in the New Testament what MIRACLE as the Son of God did He not again work by Jehova God? And YES Christ won back satan's DOMAIN! Satan was now assured of his FINISH!
So No, I think that the Holy [SPIRIT GOD] presents Christ Omnipresent!
--Elijah
And omnipresent?? No to that also. In the O.T. we had the Sanctuary with God/Christ of the Godhead present in and above the Sanctuaries Most Holy Place. They (the Godhead) gave Earth to Adam for dominance. Satan took EARTH away from Adam. Christ in the OT USED HIS OWN GODLY POWER in all of the miracles wrought as 'i' see it. And in the N.T. the Holy Spirit was sent back to present CHRIST Omnipresent. (He did not testify of Himself) And when Christ was here on earth in the New Testament what MIRACLE as the Son of God did He not again work by Jehova God? And YES Christ won back satan's DOMAIN! Satan was now assured of his FINISH!
So No, I think that the Holy [SPIRIT GOD] presents Christ Omnipresent!
--Elijah
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Elijah674
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Hey Free, Who was this? and was He omnipresent? ;) (Even as God/Christ)
Acts 7
[35] This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush.
[36] He brought them out, after that he had shewed wonders and signs in the land of Egypt, and in the Red sea, and in the wilderness forty years.
[37] This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.
[38] This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:'
And who is this DOCUMENTED AS in 1 Cor. 10
[1] Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
[2] And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
[3] And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
[4] And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and [that Rock was Christ].
Some young'ins are getting in over their head by not going to the source, but by going to the evil source! (Not you!
) When 'i' was looking for Baptist material, I would go to the source itself.
Deut. 5
[22] These words the LORD spakeunto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.
+ Exod. 25
[14] And thou shalt put the staves into the rings by the sides of the ark, that the ark may be borne with them.
[15] The staves shall be in the rings of the ark: they shall not be taken from it.
[16] And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee.
[17] And thou shalt make a mercy seat of pure gold : two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof.
[18] And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.
[19] And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.
[20] And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be.
[21] And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.
[22] And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.
OK: I will be honest with a couple young'ins, when one can't get past Eternal Maggots in hell, what chance can you have with this TRUTH?? (1 John 4:6)
Regardless: In Rev. 11 we see the JUDGEMENT SETTING in verse 18 with all hell so to speak upon us! And in verse 19 we [SEE] 'The TEMPLE of God was opened [IN HEAVEN], and there was [SEEN IN 'HIS TEMPLE' THE ARK [OF HIS TESTAMENT]. (again see verse 21 above! + verse 16 of Exod. 25!)
--Elijah
Acts 7
[35] This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush.
[36] He brought them out, after that he had shewed wonders and signs in the land of Egypt, and in the Red sea, and in the wilderness forty years.
[37] This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.
[38] This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:'
And who is this DOCUMENTED AS in 1 Cor. 10
[1] Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
[2] And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
[3] And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
[4] And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and [that Rock was Christ].
Some young'ins are getting in over their head by not going to the source, but by going to the evil source! (Not you!
) When 'i' was looking for Baptist material, I would go to the source itself. Deut. 5
[22] These words the LORD spakeunto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.
+ Exod. 25
[14] And thou shalt put the staves into the rings by the sides of the ark, that the ark may be borne with them.
[15] The staves shall be in the rings of the ark: they shall not be taken from it.
[16] And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee.
[17] And thou shalt make a mercy seat of pure gold : two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof.
[18] And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.
[19] And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.
[20] And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be.
[21] And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.
[22] And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.
OK: I will be honest with a couple young'ins, when one can't get past Eternal Maggots in hell, what chance can you have with this TRUTH?? (1 John 4:6)
Regardless: In Rev. 11 we see the JUDGEMENT SETTING in verse 18 with all hell so to speak upon us! And in verse 19 we [SEE] 'The TEMPLE of God was opened [IN HEAVEN], and there was [SEEN IN 'HIS TEMPLE' THE ARK [OF HIS TESTAMENT]. (again see verse 21 above! + verse 16 of Exod. 25!)
--Elijah
Sound Silence
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That's a tough idea.
Sometimes it doesn't seem so. I would think Jesus, as a man, would have had to deal with uncertainty, but I can't say for sure.
I don't think it hurts the idea of Jesus being God by saying that, as a man, he didn't automatically know everything, just what God revealed to him.
I'd say the same is that Jesus, as a man, was not "omnipotent", but took his powers from God as an example to men of what they could be capable of through their own faith.
That doesn't mean the Son doesn't have all power or knowledge, just for the purposes of his life on earth, he didn't use them that way.
Ultimately, there's no way to know for sure and I'd tend to think of it as a theological issue of tertiary importance.
Sometimes it doesn't seem so. I would think Jesus, as a man, would have had to deal with uncertainty, but I can't say for sure.
I don't think it hurts the idea of Jesus being God by saying that, as a man, he didn't automatically know everything, just what God revealed to him.
I'd say the same is that Jesus, as a man, was not "omnipotent", but took his powers from God as an example to men of what they could be capable of through their own faith.
That doesn't mean the Son doesn't have all power or knowledge, just for the purposes of his life on earth, he didn't use them that way.
Ultimately, there's no way to know for sure and I'd tend to think of it as a theological issue of tertiary importance.
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Elijah674
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Omnipresent & Omniscient finds Christ as the Second Adam. Some believe that HE WILL NEVER KNOW WHEN HE IS COMING, huh?
--Elijah
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Elijah674
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Elijah674 said:
PS: Also it seems that God was PROVING to the [Universe] that Adam was not a flawed creation of Theirs! Christ did indeed prove this with 4000 years of sin to His Human Body!