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We Are SINNERS! And We CLAIM 'LIBERTY' TO DO SO!!

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1 John 3

[4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.



Adam & Eve were created VERY GOOD! No sin! And had perfect LIBERTY!

And these LIBERTY false teachers? See 2 Peter 2 (and wow! God has some choice words here for these liars, huh?
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[16] But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
[17] These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. (New Covenant LIBERTY, huh?? I,I,I,I,I am FREE AT LAST!
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[18] For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
[19] While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, [[of the same is he brought in bondage.]] (Right back as a lost sinner CONDEMNED! Again 1 John 3:4!)
[20] For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
[21] For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the [[holy commandment]] delivered unto them.
[22] But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.



And the today ones?? NO LAW, ALL GRACE! LIBERTY! FINISHED AT THE CROSS! Finished?? And what have they documented as being ‘finished’?? Heb. 6:6 still finds these ones at LIBERTY to do their own satanic thing at will!

[3] And this will we do, if God permit.:chin
[4] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[5] And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

[6] If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.:(

(IF??? And what have these no loving obedient work ones been doing in teaching that Christ saves one IN SIN AND NOT FROM SIN! See His Inspired WORD of Phil. 4:13 + 2 Cor. 12:9, these ones are calling Christ a liar. God/forbid)

Try it with uncle Sam, say that ‘I’ just got paroled, and let’s say that I am now on GRACE, so now we find it photographed that a bank was held up by me! Now what? Even uncle Sam is not that stupid!

James 2

[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. (But Lord, it is GRACE. GRACE! The Law IS, IS, IS FINISHED! And the WHOLE LAW IS BROKEN by just me stealing or whatever??????
[11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
[12] So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. (There it is Lord! LIBERTY!! Just like these cop/outs of Jer. 17:5 ‘teach’ us!


--Elijah
 
And your claim is what? Oh yeah. That you are an obedient sinner!

Don't you know that the Sabbath is a day to afflict your own soul?

Why? Uh huh. Because of sin. Not someone else's sin either.

I guess some have turned that 'personal affiction' into a "I feel so good and obedient and thereby retained MY salvation" session so they can condemn other believers for not doing so.

Leviticus 16:31
It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever.

Leviticus 23:32
It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls:

If
any come out the next day and think they are no longer sinners, I'd suggest a rinse and repeat is perpetually in order so they get the picture.

What really gets me is the legal obedience crowd who seek to condemn all other believers for not doing like they do and claim 'the other believers' as sinners and to possible eternal death, never ever seeing they are in effect seeking death over sin to other believers.

What a sad state of affairs.


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1 John 3

[4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


Adam & Eve were created VERY GOOD! No sin! And had perfect LIBERTY!

And these LIBERTY false teachers? See 2 Peter 2 (and wow! God has some choice words here for these liars, huh?
%21x-usc:cid:6A9777995A3D446D9E8BAE5B0A5C65CE@NBHammondPC
)


[16] But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
[17] These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. (New Covenant LIBERTY, huh?? I,I,I,I,I am FREE AT LAST!
%21x-usc:cid:576864682186432F9C368A63F43B36BF@NBHammondPC
)
[18] For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
[19] While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, [[of the same is he brought in bondage.]] (Right back as a lost sinner CONDEMNED! Again 1 John 3:4!)
[20] For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
[21] For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the [[holy commandment]] delivered unto them.
[22] But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.



And the today ones?? NO LAW, ALL GRACE! LIBERTY! FINISHED AT THE CROSS! Finished?? And what have they documented as being ‘finished’?? Heb. 6:6 still finds these ones at LIBERTY to do their own satanic thing at will!

[3] And this will we do, if God permit.:chin
[4] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[5] And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

[6] If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.:(

(IF??? And what have these no loving obedient work ones been doing in teaching that Christ saves one IN SIN AND NOT FROM SIN! See His Inspired WORD of Phil. 4:13 + 2 Cor. 12:9, these ones are calling Christ a liar. God/forbid)

Try it with uncle Sam, say that ‘I’ just got paroled, and let’s say that I am now on GRACE, so now we find it photographed that a bank was held up by me! Now what? Even uncle Sam is not that stupid!

James 2

[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. (But Lord, it is GRACE. GRACE! The Law IS, IS, IS FINISHED! And the WHOLE LAW IS BROKEN by just me stealing or whatever??????
[11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
[12] So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. (There it is Lord! LIBERTY!! Just like these cop/outs of Jer. 17:5 ‘teach’ us!


--Elijah
 
And your claim is what? Oh yeah. That you are an obedient sinner!

Don't you know that the Sabbath is a day to afflict your own soul?

Why? Uh huh. Because of sin. Not someone else's sin either.

I guess some have turned that 'personal affiction' into a "I feel so good and obedient and thereby retained MY salvation" session so they can condemn other believers for not doing so.

Leviticus 16:31
It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever.

Leviticus 23:32
It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls:

Allow me to help you understand this verse...

Lev 23:27 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
Lev 23:28 And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God.
Lev 23:29 For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
Lev 23:30 And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.
Lev 23:31 Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
Lev 23:32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

Notice that this is the Day of Atonement. It only occurs one day a year. All the other Feast days are just that, Feast Days.

Notice the instructions for the rest of the Feast Days...

Deu 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,



If any come out the next day and think they are no longer sinners, I'd suggest a rinse and repeat is perpetually in order so they get the picture.

What really gets me is the legal obedience crowd who seek to condemn all other believers for not doing like they do and claim 'the other believers' as sinners and to possible eternal death, never ever seeing they are in effect seeking death over sin to other believers.

What a sad state of affairs.

s

I don't condemn anyone, I put what I know out for consumption, if you wish to read it, read it. If not, do not.

Just out of curiosity, how angry do you think God is with those of us who try to obey Him?
 
Allow me to help you understand this verse...

I understand them fine, thank you.

Notice that this is the Day of Atonement. It only occurs one day a year. All the other Feast days are just that, Feast Days.
There are also other statements to the same effect and intent for different measures given. Deut. 26 first fruits comes immediately to mind.

Notice the instructions for the rest of the Feast Days...

Deu 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

I don't condemn anyone, I put what I know out for consumption, if you wish to read it, read it. If not, do not.

Just out of curiosity, how angry do you think God is with those of us who try to obey Him?
Hebrews 10:
10 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Whatever christian messianic wannabe believers 'mimic' of Judaism is and remains a mimic of shadows.

And usually quite far from the intimacies and details described therein to Christian intent:

Col. 2:
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Shadow worship is what such do, and the pronounced observation of judgments dire to believers who do not bow to shadows, but understand their significance being of things to come.

Such 'judges' put on and walk in the path of death to other believers over sins and exoneration of their own sins for their feigned obedience, that anti-fruit of death therefore delivered in typical hypocrisy, enhanced.

Yeah, you don't want to judge any Christian, but God does, according to 'your lips.'

If such gatherings were done in honesty, honest believers might actually participate in honest remembrance rather than stand under such matters as hypocrites claiming possible eternal death to other believers for the supposed 'sin' of not doing so.

The salvation of such is held and retained by their own performances. Yet not a one of them rid themselves of sin by any such measures.

enjoy!

s
 
Allow me to help you understand this verse...

Lev 23:27 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
Lev 23:28 And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God.
Lev 23:29 For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
Lev 23:30 And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.
Lev 23:31 Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
Lev 23:32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

Notice that this is the Day of Atonement. It only occurs one day a year. All the other Feast days are just that, Feast Days.

Notice the instructions for the rest of the Feast Days...

Deu 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,





I don't condemn anyone, I put what I know out for consumption, if you wish to read it, read it. If not, do not.

Just out of curiosity, how angry do you think God is with those of us who try to obey Him?

--Elijah here:
Hi John, it is not funny, but these [postings] do make me smile at times!;)

It is because I am getting older maybe, and I have decided that it is for God to move these ones here in Dan. 12 if it can be done while they still have time to 'OBEY' Him. Rom. 8:14

In other words, all will obey who will obey! 'IF' ye LOVE ME, keep My Commandments! And as you say, ' how angry do you think God is with those of us who try to obey Him?' And not only that, but the provision is supplied to do so! Phil. 4:13 + His Grace! 2 Cor. 12:9 (and anything less is a cop/out!)

Dan. 12
[9] And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

[10] Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but [[[the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand]]]; but the wise shall understand.
 
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