We Live in the Garden or the Great City

[whirlwind]

Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

• The great city isn't Jerusalem. The great city is the world full of wickedness (Sodom) and carnal lusts (Egypt.)

John 19:41 Now in the place where He was crucifed there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.

• The "place" He was crucified was the world and in the world....there is a garden. In that garden there "was never man yet laid." Why? Because those in that garden are of the "first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power." [Revelation 20:6] He and His disciples, all of us that follow Him, enter that garden.....

18:1 When Jesus had spoken these words, He went forth with His disciples over the brook Cedron, where was a garden, into the which He entered, and His disciples.


We see the two places we can be. In the world or in His garden. The same garden from the very beginning.

In [Genesis 2:8-15] the verses are in parenthesis. (And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed.........And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.)

The garden is a special place for those "formed." Mankind was "created" in His image physically and inhabits the world but those He formed (in His image), our spirits, God puts in the garden. They, beginning with Adam, are Israel, the body of Christ...whether through genetics or adoption...once their/our spirit is formed we are His garden...His special planting. We inherit the land, the garden.

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  Zechariah 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, Which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
  
  Isaiah 60:21 Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of My planting, the work of My hands, that I may be glorified.

 

[Joe67]

ww,

Only those who have overcome by the blood of the Lamb, and by the Word of his testimony and have loved not their lives unto the death are given the free gift of resting in the tomb with Jesus.

Joe

 

[whirlwind]

ww,

Only those who have overcome by the blood of the Lamb, and by the Word of his testimony and have loved not their lives unto the death are given the free gift of resting in the tomb with Jesus.

Joe

Dear Joe,

He is NOT in the tomb...nor are we.

I do agree that those with Him are those that have overcome. :yes

 

[Joe67]

WW,

The desires of the good, natural life must be counted as death, to win Christ.

Rom 8:10
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. KJV

Rom 8:13
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. KJV

Col 3:3-4
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. KJV

Col 3:5-6
5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: KJV

Joe

 

[whirlwind]

WW,

The desires of the good, natural life must be counted as death, to win Christ.

Rom 8:10
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. KJV

Rom 8:13
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. KJV

Col 3:3-4
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. KJV

Col 3:5-6
5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: KJV

Joe

I agree Joe. We die to self but...we are not in a tomb.

• John 19:41 Now in the place where He was crucifed there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.

If we are a man child, if we have died to self, then we are not laid in that sepulchre.

 

[Joe67]

WW,

The old body that we received from the first Adam, remains in the tomb. That is to say, we account our bodies as dead because of sin in our flesh.

The new body is received by faith in Jesus, his flesh and his bones. That is to say, we account that Jesus in his body is our righteousness before God.

Now we receive Jesus' new spirit in our hearts and minds, while we still possess/live in the first Adam's old, "dead in sin" body.

In the resurrection we will receive of Jesus' new, spiritual body. Then we will be in fellowship with Jesus in spirit and body.

Now our "dead in sin" bodies war against the spirit of Jesus, so that we can not perform our duties as we would. Yet we worship God in Jesus Christ by the spirit of Jesus, and serve the law of God with our minds; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Joe

 

[whirlwind]

WW,

The old body that we received from the first Adam, remains in the tomb. That is to say, we account our bodies as dead because of sin in our flesh.

The new body is received by faith in Jesus, his flesh and his bones. That is to say, we account that Jesus in his body is our righteousness before God.

Now we receive Jesus' new spirit in our hearts and minds, while we still possess/live in the first Adam's old, "dead in sin" body.

In the resurrection we will receive of Jesus' new, spiritual body. Then we will be in fellowship with Jesus in spirit and body.

Now our "dead in sin" bodies war against the spirit of Jesus, so that we can not perform our duties as we would. Yet we worship God in Jesus Christ by the spirit of Jesus, and serve the law of God with our minds; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Joe

Dearest Joe,

We are saying much the same thing here. :yes

We do count our flesh bodies as dead and gone...but we, our true selves, are not in the tomb. Flesh is dust again and we are with the Lord.

However, I disagree with part of your comment for we "fellowship" with Him now for He abides in us. We are not resurrected until our physical death but we are "translated" while in this flesh body.

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

 

[Joe67]

WW,

When we would do good, evil is present with us, in our flesh. It is no longer I that do what I would not, but sin that dwells within me.

This is our present state in this present evil world.

In Christ we are freed from the condemnation of this present state of being.

Being freed from condemnation in the conscience does not free the body from being the cage of every hateful and unclean bird/spirit. The spirit that dwells in our flesh wars against the spirit of regeneration that is in our conscience, so that we cannot do what we would.

Jesus knew what is in man. All that pertains to the first Adam must be reduced to dust and ashes.

The words of Jesus will be all that remains, but that is enough for a new creation in the image of Jesus.

Joe