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What’s wrong with cults?

Vic C.

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What’s the big deal about cults, anyway? Even if they might be theologically wrong  who do they really hurt? At worst, aren’t they sort of a victimless spiritual crime? Doesn’t everybody have the right to believe whatever they want?

Don’t be fooled. Yes, we enjoy freedom of religion in many Western nations. But bad theology and a distorted view of God leads to a truckload of other ills. At their worst, cults  many that call themselves Christian -- rob their followers of the ability to think clearly, rob followers of control over their own lives, rob followers of education and career, make false prophecies and predictions, alienate followers from family and community, claim authority they do not have and steal their followers’ money and possessions  all in the name of God.

You need to know how to identify cults  and you need to learn how to protect yourself, your family and your friends. Learn why cults are successful this week on Plain Truth radio.

Why Cults are Successful -- Part 1
Why Cults are Successful -- Part 2
Why Cults are Successful -- Part 3
 
By that description, I'd say every single church is a cult. Common sense should help people distinguish what is a real cult and what is not. Of course, it is my observation that people who beleive certain groups are cults, get their opinion(and it is most often wrong) get their opinion from church leaders. Common sense people, common sense. Think for yuorself.
 
The Children of God cult were an antinomian cult (that means they had no maoral constraints). David Berg taught that sexual relations were not a sin in any context. He taught that it was OK to have sex with relatives, children etc. To win converts members were taught how to seduce people and win them through sexual relations.

This is one reason we must investigate a groups beliefs.
 
evanman said:
The Children of God cult were an antinomian cult (that means they had no maoral constraints). David Berg taught that sexual relations were not a sin in any context. He taught that it was OK to have sex with relatives, children etc. To win converts members were taught how to seduce people and win them through sexual relations.

This is one reason we must investigate a groups beliefs.
Thanks Evanman. What a stark contrast to what the official "The Family" site has to say about him.
 
I was a CoG member for six and a half years, I know what I am talking about.
 
Myths and Facts About Cult Involvement

Randall Watters wrote

MYTH:

People in cults are brainwashed.

Brainwashing implies the unwilling indoctrination of alien principles or beliefs, which are enforced through overt as well as subtle control mechanisms (typical of Communist Chinese and Soviet military techniques used during WWII). Once removed from this environment, one returns to a default set of beliefs, though not completely due to confusion and disillusionment. Yet this is a form of mind control rarely used in cults today.

If I know my Bible, I can help someone out of a cult.

Since the cult problem is not generally a doctrinal problem, this approach is very limited, since one can only prove their belief wrong or non-traditional, but may not be equipped to help them discern the nature of their indoctrination and where they went astray. The Bible is rarely effective as an initial approach, due to programmed responses in the cult member. Try getting to know them and starting to dissolve the walls of communication first! Authority issues come second, then doctrine when they can reason correctly or logically.

Cults are the unpaid bills of the Church.

While many churches are negligent in providing education about cults and programs to get people involved in community activities, there are other reasons people get involved in cults. Though cults often provide the means of satisfying one's loneliness, sense of community responsibility and self-worth, they also provide a fulfillment of certain desires that the church actually should not meet, such as elitism and exclusivism, pride, power over others, and self-determination.

Cult members are generally uneducated.

This premise ignores the fact that people are selective in what area they apply good sense and critical judgment. A rocket scientist may take dangerous risks in driving home; a chemist may use harmful drugs; an honor student may associate with the wrong crowd. Similarly, cult members have suspended judgment in one area of their lives.

Cults seek the idealistic and well-educated above all, for they are looking for leaders ("assets"), not the slow to learn or handicapped ("liabilities"). Only the churches tend to seek the unwanted little people.

Once indoctrinated, however, cult members are dissuaded from any form of "secular" higher education, for fear they will become aware of their own selective indoctrination. Intelligence and leadership qualities are welcome as long as they are used for the cult's own purposes.

Certain types of people are predisposed towards cults.

While it is true that those untrained in critical judgment are more vulnerable to the reasoning of the cult ideology, that doesn't mean their needs will be fulfilled by the cult involvement; it just means that they may seem more or less convinced by the arguments. Whether or not they are motivated to actually get involved is another issue entirely. People do not get involved in cults primarily due to ideology. True idealists rarely find a cult satisfying due to its inconsistencies in thought or practice, as well as their own independent nature. They are more likely drawn to beliefs or patterns of thoughts unconnected with an organized religion. (see FACT: Anyone can be a victim.)

FACT:

People don't generally get involved in cults primarily due to doctrine.

Cults usually provide some service to the individual that they desire, such as friends, community, absolutes to live by, security, enhanced self-esteem, power over one's own life and that of others, etc. Some are raised in a cult and remain in it due to family reasons, comfort and security. Others may seek an escape from an oppressive situation that renders them powerless, hence giving them power over one area of their lives and that of others. (e.g., marriage mate or child in a controlling environment.)

People in cults are cooperators in their own programming.

"Coercive persuasion" is a term that more aptly describes the cult indoctrination method. The cult offers something attractive or desirable to the individual, and the individual decides to suspend normal critical judgment in this area in order to obtain this "carrot" representing the fulfillment of their desire. Because this process involves mutual and willing cooperation, and the victim views all decisions as their own, it is a more binding form of mind control that is harder to undo. They wanted to believe it, it fulfills a "need," and it is "their decision." The only effective way to undo this form of programming is to review the indoctrination process with the individual, forcing a reexamination of the cult. Hopefully, something greater (i.e., Christ) is seen as a replacement for the cult involvement.

Anyone can be a victim.

People have been known to join the Watchtower after years of:

* Slamming the door in their face.
* Teaching out against the Witnesses.
* After a real Christian conversion experience.
* Divorcing a mate in a cult DUE to their involvement.
* Violently opposing them at the door, even repeatedly throwing water on them or even murdering a member.

Additionally, scientists, doctors, movie stars and even political figures have been converted.

Why?

We are not always consistent in our treatment of others, and do not always have the energy or desire to be an "opponent," especially true when one's own sense of identity or control is wavering, such as when one:

* Loses their job.
* Loses a mate, child, parent or relative.
* Experiences a prolonged or terminal illness.
* Relocates, or one's friends move away.
* Experiences new fears that cannot be reckoned with.

During such times, one's critical judgment skills are often suspended, and the cult moves in.

"The most important thing is to get them out of the cult." Ask yourself why you believe this.

Is the cult physically dangerous to the person?

* Most are not. Many cults concentrate on good health.
* Some may foster sleep deprivation, hinder medical help or promote inadequate nutrition- good reasons to get them out!

Is it spiritually dangerous to the person?

Inadequate or non-existent views of Christ, salvation and grace are common in the cults. However, getting them out does not guarantee a change of belief or even a desire to be a Christian! Nor does cult involvement necessarily prevent them from finding Christ or relating to Him.

Are they wasting their life away?

Cults rob a person of their own creativity and individuality. The most common reason for anger against a cult by a former member is the "wasted years" that could have been used otherwise. Since higher education is discouraged once one joins a cult, the likelihood of obtaining a good paying job later in life is greatly diminished. Lasting friendships and important family ties have been neglected or have been destroyed over time. Good reasons to extract them soon!

Steps to Take

DO NOT...

... attack them verbally (or physically!), creating walls to communication. They have a persecution complex inherited from the cult, believing that all non-members are agents of Satan. Don't feed the complex! Have a curious yet cautious attitude, striving to get them to see things from another perspective (not necessarily yours).

... argue the Bible (the most common mistake). Their problem is not lack of knowledge, but the inability to process it correctly! They must be taught how to process the facts consistently, and before you can teach them, you need to gain their confidence and respect. A barrier erected by your own ego (i.e., the need to be right, to prove them wrong, etc.) will almost always prevent this from ever happening, necessitating the need for outside intervention.

DO...

... educate yourself in the area of cult mind control techniques, through books and seminars. Talk to former members of any group, as cult techniques are all quite similar. Be wise before you embark on such a risky endeavor- you may only have one chance.

... enlist the help of others, either professionals in the field, or by educating friends and family members and soliciting their support. Long-time friends of the victim are the most effective.

Cults tend to operate in such ways that when we Join a sect we are often not aware our selves how much we are influenced.

This is a very difficult concept to understand

as for the Children of God if you read in his David Bergs, Mo letters you will find alot of currupt teachings in their.

as for David Burg he was a known pedophile.

as most cults tend to averse around sexual issues most are covered up

My site on the Jehovahs witnesses has alot of uncovered secrets in the sects.

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/amandasjourn ... enter.html
 
Randall Watters wrote

Quote:


MYTH:



Cult members are generally uneducated. ....

That is an assumption that isn't necessarily true. I am thinking of the CoJCoLDS's whereas they (the church) has developed over the last 40 years an entire generation of people dedicated to research in support of the bom. They are athropologist, biologist, linguists, and other degreed individuals. The CoJCoLDS is to be credited in that their denomination is becoming a very well-educated group of people.

~serapha~
 
Vic said:
What’s the big deal about cults, anyway? Even if they might be theologically wrong  who do they really hurt? At worst, aren’t they sort of a victimless spiritual crime? Doesn’t everybody have the right to believe whatever they want?

Don’t be fooled. Yes, we enjoy freedom of religion in many Western nations. But bad theology and a distorted view of God leads to a truckload of other ills. At their worst, cults  many that call themselves Christian -- rob their followers of the ability to think clearly, rob followers of control over their own lives, rob followers of education and career, make false prophecies and predictions, alienate followers from family and community, claim authority they do not have and steal their followers’ money and possessions  all in the name of God.

You need to know how to identify cults  and you need to learn how to protect yourself, your family and your friends. Learn why cults are successful this week on Plain Truth radio.

Why Cults are Successful -- Part 1
Why Cults are Successful -- Part 2
Why Cults are Successful -- Part 3
(Emphasis mine)

Just sounds like plain old Christianity to me, not just the cults.
 
Quote;
''Don’t be fooled. Yes, we enjoy freedom of religion in many Western nations. But bad theology and a distorted view of God leads to a truckload of other ills. At their worst, cults  many that call themselves Christian -- rob their followers of the ability to think clearly, rob followers of control over their own lives, rob followers of education and career, make false prophecies and predictions, alienate followers from family and community, claim authority they do not have and steal their followers’ money and possessions  all in the name of God.''

Absolutely brilliant! You have described every religion in existence, and every one that is no longer followed.
 
B said:
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Absolutely brilliant! You have described every religion in existence, and every one that is no longer followed.
Precisely! Maybe I should rename the thread, 'What’s wrong with religions?'

:-? :lol:
 
A cult is worshipping an imperfect human being. The very definition is a contradiction and shows why cults can lead one to deception and delusion. Worhipping men who are imperfect and don't know the truth is dangerous because they can dupe you into, not only thinking they have the truth, but brainwash you into perpetuating their agenda. Cult leaders want power and control. They want you to worship them instead of caring about YOU. People who fall for these people are desperate to get love from another human being. But human beings cannot give you eternallife! The only man who claimed to have the truth and DEMONSTRATED that he was not lying was Jesus Christ. All other leaders who have made that claim have indeed shown the world their fallibility! You cannot get unconditional love from people because human beings are too busy looking for it from you.
 
... argue the Bible (the most common mistake). Their problem is not lack of knowledge, but the inability to process it correctly! They must be taught how to process the facts consistently, and before you can teach them, you need to gain their confidence and respect. A barrier erected by your own ego (i.e., the need to be right, to prove them wrong, etc.) will almost always prevent this from ever happening, necessitating the need for outside intervention.

That is the most awesome thing I have ever read.

"The inability to process it correctly."
 
The "Inability to process". Is that what:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
means?
 
Any religion that glorifies human beings instead of God are cults. Jesus glorified GOD and God glorified Jesus. If a cult leader glorifies himself, then that's how we can spot a cult. There are many churches who call themselves "Christian" who do that. I don't attend them.
 
cults:

Mormons
Christian Scientist
Oneness Pentecostals
Roman Catholics
Untity
Mooneys
and so on.....

A Christian Cult is any group that claims to be Christian yet teaches things contrary to the orthodoxed, historical and biblical teachings of the Church.
 
True, Roman Catholicism isn't a cult, it has gone beyond that. It is a dogmatic and apostate religion impossible to change and reform!
 
I don't think the Catholic church has gone that far yet, but the behavior of many of their cheif officials would indeed suggest a different story. I think we can all see that they are in need of reform, let's just pray we don't need another Martin Luther and Chruch split to do it.
 
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