What 1 Tim 1:4 is really saying ???

[dan p]

Hi to all , and I know that many will not agree with what I write , and that is OK , for many are like in 2 Peter 15-17 ;

#1 , in verse 15, reveals that Paul's letters are inspired .

#2 , That his letters are HARD to understand , and that had continued for OVER 2000 years , are still hard heads !!!

#3 , And because they do not understand , they are UNlearned !!!

#4 , They are also UNstable and wrest the scriptures unto their own destruction !!

#5 , And verse 17 , says not to led away to ERROR .

In 1 Tim 1:4 we have another interesting verse !!! And it read in my KJV , Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies , which minister questions , rather than godly edifying which is in faith ; so do .

#6 , The Greek word for godly AND edifying are NOT in the Greek Text .

#7 , THEOS is the Greek word for GOD .

#8 , OIKONOMIA is NOT the Greek word for edifying and this is how it should read in English .

Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies , which minister questions , rather than GOD'S DISPENSATION which is in faith .

#9 , question for you , does that mean if you are not a Dispensationalist , YOU are not in the faith ????

 

[glorydaz]

Paul's letters are not hard to understand for the believer.
We have the Holy Spirit to enlighten his words to our understanding.

That's the point of Jesus' sending the Holy Spirit.

And to answer your question...it would depend upon your definition of dispensation.

 

[Physicist]

Paul's letters are not hard to understand for the believer.
We have the Holy Spirit to enlighten his words to our understanding.

That's the point of Jesus' sending the Holy Spirit.

And to answer your question...it would depend upon your definition of dispensation.

But, according to most experts, 1 Timothy and the other pastorals were not written by Paul. Why should we accept these pseudo-graphical texts as canonical?

 

[D4Christ]

I'm not sure I agree with your rephrasing of 1 Tim 1:4.

KJV

4Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

NLT

Don’t let them waste their time in endless discussion of myths and spiritual pedigrees. These things only lead to meaningless speculations, which don’t help people live a life of faith in God.

NASB

nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith.

NIV

nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work—which is by faith.

AMP

Nor to give importance to or occupy themselves with legends (fables, myths) and endless genealogies, which foster and promote useless speculations and questionings rather than acceptance in faith of God's administration and the divine training that is in faith (in that leaning of the entire human personality on God in absolute trust and confidence)--

 

[glorydaz]

Paul's letters are not hard to understand for the believer.
We have the Holy Spirit to enlighten his words to our understanding.

That's the point of Jesus' sending the Holy Spirit.

And to answer your question...it would depend upon your definition of dispensation.

But, according to most experts, 1 Timothy and the other pastorals were not written by Paul. Why should we accept these pseudo-graphical texts as canonical?

There's only one "expert" I care to heed. That's the Holy Spirit, and I have no doubt about the authenticity of God's Word.

 

[dan p]

Paul's letters are not hard to understand for the believer.
We have the Holy Spirit to enlighten his words to our understanding.

That's the point of Jesus' sending the Holy Spirit.

And to answer your question...it would depend upon your definition of dispensation.

But, according to most experts, 1 Timothy and the other pastorals were not written by Paul. Why should we accept these pseudo-graphical texts as canonical?

Hi Physcist , I guess the God that created the universe could not protect his written word . " It is written " is in Greek Perfect Tense , which means Past Action with Continuing results , I rest my case . dan p

 

[handy]

#6 , The Greek word for godly AND edifying are NOT in the Greek Text .

#7 , THEOS is the Greek word for GOD .

#8 , OIKONOMIA is NOT the Greek word for edifying and this is how it should read in English .

Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies , which minister questions , rather than GOD'S DISPENSATION which is in faith .

#9 , question for you , does that mean if you are not a Dispensationalist , YOU are not in the faith ????

In the Greek sources that I looked at (Scripture 4 All, a Greek Interlinear Bible, and the Blue Letter Bible) oikonomia is defined as "home-builder", "to build up", or "to erect a building". Oikodom? is another word that has an almost identical meaning, "act of building up" "a building", is also translated as edify, edifying and edification in many verses.

While I can see a connection between building up and edifying, I don't see a connection between building up and dispensation at all.

 

[dan p]

#6 , The Greek word for godly AND edifying are NOT in the Greek Text .

#7 , THEOS is the Greek word for GOD .

#8 , OIKONOMIA is NOT the Greek word for edifying and this is how it should read in English .

Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies , which minister questions , rather than GOD'S DISPENSATION which is in faith .

#9 , question for you , does that mean if you are not a Dispensationalist , YOU are not in the faith ????

In the Greek sources that I looked at (Scripture 4 All, a Greek Interlinear Bible, and the Blue Letter Bible) oikonomia is defined as "home-builder", "to build up", or "to erect a building". Oikodom? is another word that has an almost identical meaning, "act of building up" "a building", is also translated as edify, edifying and edification in many verses.

While I can see a connection between building up and edifying, I don't see a connection between building up and dispensation at all.

Hi Handy , and you are correct , because they are not the same words, for Edifying means to enlighte , to bulld , to illuminate , while Dispensation , a compound Greek word means " house law " and I will in time show what it means .

 

[handy]

Go ahead, but don't work on an explanation for my benefit. Sorry if this offends, but I don't find you a reliable teacher. I already know what dispensation means. It's already been discussed several times, what dispensation means. It doesn't mean what you want to believe it means.

 

[dan p]

Go ahead, but don't work on an explanation for my benefit. Sorry if this offends, but I don't find you a reliable teacher. I already know what dispensation means. It's already been discussed several times, what dispensation means. It doesn't mean what you want to believe it means.

Hi Handy , and I realize that Dispensationalism is not for everyone , nor do I major in Dispensationalism , since you say what Dispensationalism is , and Paul majors , in the Body of Christ , resurrection , election , eternal life , faith , grace , imputation , reconciliation , redemption , righteousness , justification , departure of the Body of Christ and the bema seat and you did not offend me , so have a nice day , and I tell you , that MOST what Paul majors in is not found in the Old Testament , but have a nice day , dan p

 

[Physicist]

Paul's letters are not hard to understand for the believer.
We have the Holy Spirit to enlighten his words to our understanding.

That's the point of Jesus' sending the Holy Spirit.

And to answer your question...it would depend upon your definition of dispensation.

But, according to most experts, 1 Timothy and the other pastorals were not written by Paul. Why should we accept these pseudo-graphical texts as canonical?

There's only one "expert" I care to heed. That's the Holy Spirit, and I have no doubt about the authenticity of God's Word.

Based upon what? That it makes you feel good? The Book of Mormon probably makes Mormons feel nice as well but would you use that as a truth standard? Doesn't objective evidence mean anything here? The experts that I referred to in my earlier post are by-and-large Christian but they maintain their scholarly objectivity when doing their research.

 

[Physicist]

Paul's letters are not hard to understand for the believer.
We have the Holy Spirit to enlighten his words to our understanding.

That's the point of Jesus' sending the Holy Spirit.

And to answer your question...it would depend upon your definition of dispensation.

But, according to most experts, 1 Timothy and the other pastorals were not written by Paul. Why should we accept these pseudo-graphical texts as canonical?

Hi Physcist , I guess the God that created the universe could not protect his written word . " It is written " is in Greek Perfect Tense , which means Past Action with Continuing results , I rest my case . dan p

Its men, not God, that assembled the Bible(s). After all, the Catholic, Coptic, and Protestant versions are different so how does one determine what is exactly God's word and what is not? Learned scholars, mostly Christian, have concluded that the Pastorals were unlikely to have been written by Paul. Do we still assume them to be inspired even though the authorship is a forgery or do we only apply that quality on Paul's genuine letters?