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What Did Saul , Shaool , Paul Mean By '' Satan Buffeting Him '' In Corinthian 12 ; 7 ?
 
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Re: What Did Paul Mean By Satan Buffeting Him In Corin 12;7

Zakariyaa said:
What Did Saul , Shaool , Paul Mean By '' Satan Buffeting Him '' In Corinthian 12 ; 7 ?
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i'm assuming you are referring to 2 Cor 12:7, which reads as follows:
  • 2 Cor 12:7 And to keep me from being too elated by the abundance of revelations, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan, to harass me, to keep me from being too elated.
here's what i think it means:
  • 7-10. Displaying admirable humility, St Paul now refers to the weakness God allowed him to experience to ensure his supernatural gifts did not make him proud. It is impossible to say what exactly the "thorn in his flesh" was. Some Fathers--St Augustine, for example--and modern commentators think that it was some particularly painful and humiliating physical ailment, possibly the same one as he refers to in Galatians 4:13f, where he also speaks in general terms. Others, like St John Chrysostom, are of the view that he is referring to the pain which continual persecution caused him. Others--from St Gregory the Great onwards--opt for an ascetical interpretation; they say he is referring to temptations to do with conscience; but the supporters of the two other theses argue, for example, that it is unlikely that St Paul would have mentioned anything of that kind, because it could have given his enemies ammunition for further attacks.

    St Paul asked God to take this "thorn" away, but the heavenly answer he received is very revealing: God's grace is enough to enable him to cope with this difficulty--which serves to reveal God's power. And so it is that he boasts of and is content with his weaknesses and the persecution he suffers: in these circumstances he is stronger than ever, thanks to God's supernatural help.

    When commenting on this passage, St Thomas explains that God sometimes permits certain kinds of evil in order to draw out greater good: for example, in order to protect people from pride--the root of all vices--he sometimes allows his chosen ones to be humiliated by an illness, or a defect, or even by mortal sin, in order that "the person who is humbled in this way might recognize that he cannot stand firm by his own efforts alone. Hence it is said in Romans 8:28, 'We know that in everything God works for good with those who love him'--not of course that God seeks the sin but [the sinner's] turning to him" ("Commentary on 2 Cor, ad loc.").

    7. "A messenger of Satan", an angel of Satan: this is how he describes the humiliating "thorn". This suggests that the disability could have been seen as an obstacle to his work of evangelization--which the devil, logically, would have been keen to frustrate (cf. 2:11; 11:14f)." --Navarre Commentary

i hope that helps

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I'm certainly not as learned as you. Great post!
Well, I think it's all a matter of why God let Paul write it. I like to think Godlet that mytery slip in to remind us exactly what Christ says in the following verses, so as to remind us that no matter what the weakness, sin temptation, or trial, Christ is still with us. But, that's just a little sermon explaination, I think.
 
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I'm certainly not as learned as you. Great post!
Well, I think it's all a matter of why God let Paul write it. I like to think Godlet that mytery slip in to remind us exactly what Christ says in the following verses, so as to remind us that no matter what the weakness, sin temptation, or trial, Christ is still with us. But, that's just a little sermon explaination, I think.
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unfortunately, i can't take credit for it. that was from the Navarre Commentary :)

btw, what's a "Godlet"? is that like a little, mini-God? haha, jk bro, i couldn't help myself :D
 
Re: What Did Paul Mean By Satan Buffeting Him In Corin 12;7

Zakariyaa said:
What Did Saul , Shaool , Paul Mean By '' Satan Buffeting Him '' In Corinthian 12 ; 7 ?
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Paul was attacked by the spirit of persecution every where he went. Buffet literally means to punch, hit or beat.

He was not talking about some so-called eye disease. He was talking about his being physically beaten by people who were inspired by the devil to attack him to stop his message from going forth, and to stop him from writing a very large portion of the N.T.

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Check this link out.

How God Uses Suffering--Part 1
http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/47-83.htm

"In fact, he describes this in verse 7 of our text in these words, "There was given me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to buffet me." And I told you last time that this assault by the false teachers on the Corinthian church which resulted in their betrayal of Paul is here described as a "thorn in the flesh." He further describes it as a messenger of Satan. The messenger is the word angelos in the Greek, it means angel, and an angel from Satan is a demon and so he's telling us here that this terrible, terrible betrayal by the Corinthians, this defection from the true gospel and the truth that he had taught them, this was all being orchestrated by a demon. Demon-inspired false teachers had come into that church and perpetrated this terrible, terrible mutiny. And the effect of it was to buffet me, he said, and that's the word torment. Paul was personally tormented by the problems in the Corinthian church. Because he loved God so much he didn't want to see God dishonored, because he loved the gospel so much he didn't want to see it misunderstood, because he loved the church so much he didn't want to see it torn up and divided, because he loved those people so much he didn't want to see them fall victim to lying false teachers."

"Verse 7 says, "There was given me a thorn in the flesh." This, by the way, was a gift...however an unsolicited one, it was a gift, then it was really from God. We know that because in verse 8 he asks the Lord to remove it. God had allowed this to happen, as we saw God allowed Satan to assault Job, God allowed Satan to assault Peter. For His own purposes God will allow the devil to do His work. And in the end it will effect the divine purpose."

Read the whole thing it's worth your time.

Isaiah 48:10 "See, I have refined you, though not as silver; I have tested you in the furnace of affliction." Isaiah 48:10
 
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