What does CHURCH mean ????

[dan p]

Hi to all , and I see that many say that the word Church is important and so do I .

But what does Church mean in A bibical definition ????

I look in Vine's and Strong's and the Greek word EKKLESIA means ;

#1 , Assembly !!!!

#2 , Congregation !!!

#3 , EK in Greek means FROM or OUT OF !!!

#4 , and KLESIS , a calling ( KALEO )

#5 , So , what does Church mean ????

 

[chestertonrules]

The Church is the body of Christ, created by him and sustained by the Holy Spirit:

Divinely established:

Matthew 16

17Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. 18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

The Pillar and Foundation of truth:

1 Timothy 3
15if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

The Church is to be listened to :

Luke 10
17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

The Church has authority:

Acts 15
22Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, two men who were leaders among the brothers. 23With them they sent the following letter: The apostles and elders, your brothers, To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia: Greetings. 24We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.

 

[glorydaz]

The body of Christ is made up of many members...making an assembly called a church.

The church is the tabernacle (house) (body) of Christ....not built with human hands.
Just as our bodies are the tabernacles of our soul and spirit.

Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.

Believers are the members of Christ's body...we are His arms, legs, hands...etc.
Many members comprise the body.

The many members make up an assembly of believers...the church, of which Christ is our Head.

 

[dan p]

The Church is the body of Christ, created by him and sustained by the Holy Spirit:

Divinely established:

Matthew 16

17Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. 18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

The Pillar and Foundation of truth:

1 Timothy 3
15if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

The Church is to be listened to :

Luke 10
17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

The Church has authority:

Acts 15
22Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, two men who were leaders among the brothers. 23With them they sent the following letter: The apostles and elders, your brothers, To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia: Greetings. 24We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.

Hi , where in the Matt 16 , passage is the Body of Christ mentioned , by Context ?????

 

[samuel]

18, And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

In this part of the passage, Jesus was not saying Peter was the rock on which he would build his Church. But upon the rock of God revealed truth. Christ being this rock of truth, the life, and the way. So the Church being built upon the rock "Christ" becomes a part of this rock, and is his body.

 

[handy]

Hi , where in the Matt 16 , passage is the Body of Christ mentioned , by Context ?????

Where Jesus said, "upon this rock, I will build My church."

The Church is the Body of Christ. That is the context of the passage, as Peter had just professed his faith, and the Church, the Body of Christ, is built by all who profess faith in Christ.

From Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words:

ekklesia(a) to the whole company of the redeemed throughout the present era, the company of which Christ said, "I will build My Church," Matt. 16:18, and which is further described as "the Church which is His Body," Eph. 1:22; 5:23,

 

[dan p]

Hi , where in the Matt 16 , passage is the Body of Christ mentioned , by Context ?????

Where Jesus said, "upon this rock, I will build My church."

The Church is the Body of Christ. That is the context of the passage, as Peter had just professed his faith, and the Church, the Body of Christ, is built by all who profess faith in Christ.

From Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words:

ekklesia(a) to the whole company of the redeemed throughout the present era, the company of which Christ said, "I will build My Church," Matt. 16:18, and which is further described as "the Church which is His Body," Eph. 1:22; 5:23,

Hi Handy , and it is Amusing , that when using Vine's , p191 , is says , " for church see Assembly and Congregation . That means you have to look up the word Assembly .

Acts 19:39 uses the word Assembly !!!

Acts 19:32,41 uses Assembly , speaking of " a riotous mob "

Acts 7:38 , calls Israel a Assembly in the wilderness !!!

I still say Assembly is not Church !!!! And in Vine's it breaks down what the Greek word EKKLESIA means and everyone still believes that it means church .

The Greek word KURIAKOS mean church , and in 1 Cor 11:20 and Rev 1:10 , means I belong to God .
I had this same post on many forums , and ONLY one new what is meant and new the Greek word KURIAKOS and its meaning .

 

[handy]

You, Dan P, might not say that ekklesia means church, but the Scriptures tell us otherwise.

Romans 16:4 Who have for my life laid down their own necks: unto whom not only I give thanks, but also all the churches (ekklesia) of the Gentiles.

1 Corinthians 1:2 Unto the church (ekklesia) of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called [to be] saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Galatians 1:2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches (ekklesia) of Galatia:

Well, there are a lot more, but I really must go pick up my son from school. The thing is, the Scriptures does use ekklesia to denote the Body of Christ.

The word kuriakos means "belonging to the Lord" or "relating to the Lord". You may very well belong to the Lord, I know I sure do, as does the church, as does the day referred to in Revelations. But, it's incorrect that kuriakos means church. Kuriakos is an adjective. Church and ekklesia are both nouns, both of which refer to the Body of Christ.

 

[samuel]

When I made my post it had nothing to do with the Greek, Polish, or Russian. It had to do with what the Holy Spirit, revealed from Gods word to me. Of course people who rely on the Greek, no nothing about Holy Spirit revealed truth anyway. I despise people who say in the Greek it means this "BLA BLA", that is what is wrong with the Church today. :angry

 

[chestertonrules]

The Church is the body of Christ, created by him and sustained by the Holy Spirit:

Divinely established:

Matthew 16

17Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. 18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

The Pillar and Foundation of truth:

1 Timothy 3
15if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

The Church is to be listened to :

Luke 10
17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

The Church has authority:

Acts 15
22Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, two men who were leaders among the brothers. 23With them they sent the following letter: The apostles and elders, your brothers, To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia: Greetings. 24We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.

Hi , where in the Matt 16 , passage is the Body of Christ mentioned , by Context ?????

The Church is the body of Christ. When it says Church, it is saying Body of Christ.

 

[handy]

When I made my post it had nothing to do with the Greek, Polish, or Russian. It had to do with what the Holy Spirit, revealed from Gods word to me. Of course people who rely on the Greek, no nothing about Holy Spirit revealed truth anyway. I despise people who say in the Greek it means this "BLA BLA", that is what is wrong with the Church today. :angry

I tend to agree with you. Although I think there is value in studying the original language, because it can bring out nuances that otherwise might be missed, I think the Bible can simply be read as written. Those who have translated it into English have done a good job. The Holy Spirit, who inspired the original texts, have kept the translations inerrant so as to still be profitable to us.

I'm always a bit suspect when someone comes along with a highly specialized way of looking at the Scriptures, with messages that the Church somehow has overlooked or long since rejected, and they are constantly referring us back to the original languages as a means to "prove" their theories. Generally, even when one takes the time to delve into the Hebrew or Greek, the good old standard translations that the Church has been relying upon since the old manuscripts started being translated, seem to still hold true.

 

[dan p]

When I made my post it had nothing to do with the Greek, Polish, or Russian. It had to do with what the Holy Spirit, revealed from Gods word to me. Of course people who rely on the Greek, no nothing about Holy Spirit revealed truth anyway. I despise people who say in the Greek it means this "BLA BLA", that is what is wrong with the Church today. :angry

I tend to agree with you. Although I think there is value in studying the original language, because it can bring out nuances that otherwise might be missed, I think the Bible can simply be read as written. Those who have translated it into English have done a good job. The Holy Spirit, who inspired the original texts, have kept the translations inerrant so as to still be profitable to us.

I'm always a bit suspect when someone comes along with a highly specialized way of looking at the Scriptures, with messages that the Church somehow has overlooked or long since rejected, and they are constantly referring us back to the original languages as a means to "prove" their theories. Generally, even when one takes the time to delve into the Hebrew or Greek, the good old standard translations that the Church has been relying upon since the old manuscripts started being translated, seem to still hold true.

Hi , and if I say Tree adn then say Rock , are they the same , of course NOT !!!

If I say EKKLESIA and then say SOMA CHRISTOS , are they the same , of course NOT !!!

EKKLESIA means assmbly or congregation .

SOMA CHRISTOS , means body of Christ , an they do not look like the same to me , do they ?????

 

[dan p]

When I made my post it had nothing to do with the Greek, Polish, or Russian. It had to do with what the Holy Spirit, revealed from Gods word to me. Of course people who rely on the Greek, no nothing about Holy Spirit revealed truth anyway. I despise people who say in the Greek it means this "BLA BLA", that is what is wrong with the Church today. :angry

I tend to agree with you. Although I think there is value in studying the original language, because it can bring out nuances that otherwise might be missed, I think the Bible can simply be read as written. Those who have translated it into English have done a good job. The Holy Spirit, who inspired the original texts, have kept the translations inerrant so as to still be profitable to us.

I'm always a bit suspect when someone comes along with a highly specialized way of looking at the Scriptures, with messages that the Church somehow has overlooked or long since rejected, and they are constantly referring us back to the original languages as a means to "prove" their theories. Generally, even when one takes the time to delve into the Hebrew or Greek, the good old standard translations that the Church has been relying upon since the old manuscripts started being translated, seem to still hold true.

Hi , and you think that I am alone in Pauline Dispensationalism , I am not . We have many more assemblies in foreign countries than in the USA , I believe , along with Seminaries . I am sorry that you despise me because I know just a little Greek , because 45 years ago I believed what you all believe .

 

[JudaicChristian]

Hi to all , and I see that many say that the word Church is important and so do I .

But what does Church mean in A bibical definition ?

The word "Church" is not in scripture.

The word "Assembly and Congregation" are INTERPRETATED as Church. Now what do you think of that?

If you will take notice, the word Church is not used in the Old Testament. The word Ekklesia is used 114 times, and mostly as an INTERPRETATION for Church and a few times as Assembly or Congregation. The word Church is an INTERPRETATION were as Assembly or Congregation would be a TRANSLATION.

The ecclesia or ekklesia was the principal assembly of the democracy of ancient Athens during its Golden Age (480-404 BCE). It was a gathering place for politicians and voters. This is what the point of this subject is: Many Christians place the importance of a "Church" as the only means of salvation, when in fact it is the believers themselves that are The Body of Christ. Salvation is obtained by your keeping of God's precept and Commandments in addition to the testamony of Yahshua. And that is what scripture says. That is The New Covenant. The True Church is the "congregation" of believers.

A Chuch is a building for public gatherings of various sorts. Where ever the true believers assemble, that is the congregation. And again like I have said before, the word church is an interpretation for the words Assembly and Congregation. For example, the Catholic Church says that salvation can only be found through the Catholic Church.

 

[dan p]

Hi to all , and I see that many say that the word Church is important and so do I .

But what does Church mean in A bibical definition ?

The word "Church" is not in scripture.

The word "Assembly and Congregation" are INTERPRETATED as Church. Now what do you think of that?

If you will take notice, the word Church is not used in the Old Testament. The word Ekklesia is used 114 times, and mostly as an INTERPRETATION for Church and a few times as Assembly or Congregation. The word Church is an INTERPRETATION were as Assembly or Congregation would be a TRANSLATION.

The ecclesia or ekklesia was the principal assembly of the democracy of ancient Athens during its Golden Age (480-404 BCE). It was a gathering place for politicians and voters. This is what the point of this subject is: Many Christians place the importance of a "Church" as the only means of salvation, when in fact it is the believers themselves that are The Body of Christ. Salvation is obtained by your keeping of God's precept and Commandments in addition to the testamony of Yahshua. And that is what scripture says. That is The New Covenant. The True Church is the "congregation" of believers.

A Chuch is a building for public gatherings of various sorts. Where ever the true believers assemble, that is the congregation. And again like I have said before, the word church is an interpretation for the words Assembly and Congregation. For example, the Catholic Church says that salvation can only be found through the Catholic Church.

Hi mdo757 , we are on the same page ,on most of what you wrote and will have a post on who received the New Covenant and give a timeline .

 

[samuel]

Hi , and you think that I am alone in Pauline Dispensationalism , I am not . We have many more assemblies in foreign countries than in the USA , I believe , along with Seminaries . I am sorry that you despise me because I know just a little Greek , because 45 years ago I believed what you all believe .

What happened in that 45 years, oh wait I know; new and corrupted but more trustworhy textual evidence was discovered. New and more trustworthy, but more than slightly corrupted Bibles have been printed by the thousands. Believe me this has changed a lot of Biblical interpretation, and not for the better either. You might profit by backing up that 45 years, to what you used to believe.

I don't despise you or anyone else as a person, but I have no use for your new Greek corruptions.

 

[handy]

When I made my post it had nothing to do with the Greek, Polish, or Russian. It had to do with what the Holy Spirit, revealed from Gods word to me. Of course people who rely on the Greek, no nothing about Holy Spirit revealed truth anyway. I despise people who say in the Greek it means this "BLA BLA", that is what is wrong with the Church today. :angry

I tend to agree with you. Although I think there is value in studying the original language, because it can bring out nuances that otherwise might be missed, I think the Bible can simply be read as written. Those who have translated it into English have done a good job. The Holy Spirit, who inspired the original texts, have kept the translations inerrant so as to still be profitable to us.

I'm always a bit suspect when someone comes along with a highly specialized way of looking at the Scriptures, with messages that the Church somehow has overlooked or long since rejected, and they are constantly referring us back to the original languages as a means to "prove" their theories. Generally, even when one takes the time to delve into the Hebrew or Greek, the good old standard translations that the Church has been relying upon since the old manuscripts started being translated, seem to still hold true.

Hi , and if I say Tree adn then say Rock , are they the same , of course NOT !!!

If I say EKKLESIA and then say SOMA CHRISTOS , are they the same , of course NOT !!!

EKKLESIA means assmbly or congregation .

SOMA CHRISTOS , means body of Christ , an they do not look like the same to me , do they ?????

If you are not going to accept the clear teaching of the Scriptures, preferring instead to make convoluted mysteries at that which has been clearly revealed, there really isn't much more to say.

 

[glorydaz]

When I made my post it had nothing to do with the Greek, Polish, or Russian. It had to do with what the Holy Spirit, revealed from Gods word to me. Of course people who rely on the Greek, no nothing about Holy Spirit revealed truth anyway. I despise people who say in the Greek it means this "BLA BLA", that is what is wrong with the Church today. :angry

I tend to agree with you. Although I think there is value in studying the original language, because it can bring out nuances that otherwise might be missed, I think the Bible can simply be read as written. Those who have translated it into English have done a good job. The Holy Spirit, who inspired the original texts, have kept the translations inerrant so as to still be profitable to us.

I'm always a bit suspect when someone comes along with a highly specialized way of looking at the Scriptures, with messages that the Church somehow has overlooked or long since rejected, and they are constantly referring us back to the original languages as a means to "prove" their theories. Generally, even when one takes the time to delve into the Hebrew or Greek, the good old standard translations that the Church has been relying upon since the old manuscripts started being translated, seem to still hold true.

:yes :amen

 

[iCrash.org]

I know this isn't a quote from the Word of God, but I love the analogy Erwin McManus writes in his book "The Barbarian Way."

But my favorite of all is the group designation for rhinos. You see, rhinos can run thirty miles an hour, which is pretty fast if you consider how much weight they’re pulling…just one problem with the phenomenon. Rhinos can see only thirty feet in front of them. can you imagine something that large moving in concert as a group, plowing ahead at thirty miles an hour with no idea what’s at thirty one feet? You would think that they would be far too timid to pick up full steam, that their inability to see far enough ahead would paralyze them to immobility. But with that horn pointing the way, rhinos run forwarrd full steam ahead without apprehension, which leads us to their name.

Rhinos moving together at full speed are known as a crash. Even when they’re just hanging around enjoying the watershed, they’re called a crash because of their potential. You’ve got to love that. I think that’s what we’re supposed to be. The church should be a crash. We should become an unstoppable force. We don’t have to pretend to know the future. Who cares that we can see only thirty feet ahead? Whatever’s thirty one feet ahead needs to care that we’re coming and better get out of the way.

We need to move together as God’s people and become the human version of the rhino crash. We may not be able to see what’s at thrity one feet, but we don’t have to be blind to what’s right in front of us… The future is uncertain, but we need to move toward it with confidence. There’s a future to be created, humanity to be liberated. we need to stop wasting our time and stop being afraid of what we cannot see and do not know. We need to move foward full force because of what we do know.

 

[glorydaz]

I know this isn't a quote from the Word of God, but I love the analogy Erwin McManus writes in his book "The Barbarian Way."

But my favorite of all is the group designation for rhinos. You see, rhinos can run thirty miles an hour, which is pretty fast if you consider how much weight they’re pulling…just one problem with the phenomenon. Rhinos can see only thirty feet in front of them. can you imagine something that large moving in concert as a group, plowing ahead at thirty miles an hour with no idea what’s at thirty one feet? You would think that they would be far too timid to pick up full steam, that their inability to see far enough ahead would paralyze them to immobility. But with that horn pointing the way, rhinos run forwarrd full steam ahead without apprehension, which leads us to their name.

Rhinos moving together at full speed are known as a crash. Even when they’re just hanging around enjoying the watershed, they’re called a crash because of their potential. You’ve got to love that. I think that’s what we’re supposed to be. The church should be a crash. We should become an unstoppable force. We don’t have to pretend to know the future. Who cares that we can see only thirty feet ahead? Whatever’s thirty one feet ahead needs to care that we’re coming and better get out of the way.

We need to move together as God’s people and become the human version of the rhino crash. We may not be able to see what’s at thrity one feet, but we don’t have to be blind to what’s right in front of us… The future is uncertain, but we need to move toward it with confidence. There’s a future to be created, humanity to be liberated. we need to stop wasting our time and stop being afraid of what we cannot see and do not know. We need to move foward full force because of what we do know.

:yes :amen